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game-biz

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It's like being horribly constipated for days...you can feel the slow movement happening, but it's painful. You may try to force it, but you end up almost passing out. But then one day you just say fuck it, down a bunch pharmaceutical grade laxatives and blast your ass open so you can continue with your life. Trump is that ass blast.
 

hEist

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atleast Mueller got the receipts, hopefully if true.
expecting some tweets by trump but i don't think he will tweet about this. Maybe something like "cohen was always a liar".
 

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Think of it this way:

Imagine jerking off continuously, over the course of a night, and edging closer and closer and closer to ejaculation. At several key moments of intense stimuli, delicious delicious drips of pre-cum ooze out, signifying the explosion that is soon to come, but you hold back and relax for a moment each time, because you want to absolutely nail the explosion and derive maximum pleasure.

You keep going... hours pass... the longer you hold it in the more unbearable it's becoming...

At a certain point, the release is coming, we all know this, but we don't exactly know when... but the longer it's being kept in indicates the size of the explosion.

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skeezx

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curious as to the exact timeline. because if he was willingly trying to finagle a Trump Tower deal in Moscow after becoming president-elect that is beyond stupid to risk everything on
 

Freakzilla

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February 7th is the day Trump is exposed.

What happens Feb 7th?

So when can all of this now public information that basically points to him being a Russian asset since before his campaign began be applied in court?

When the investigation is over.

Aww man I liked Adam in Chuck. Just now found out about his political/religious views. Damn.

Not much of a surprise. Look at who he played in Full Metal Jacket and The Patriot.
 

thefro

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Probably depends on the receipts as to whether the GOP would actually vote to remove or you'd get 50-some Senate votes.
 

devilhawk

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It would not shock me if Russia starts to enter in on this and begins to leak info as well. All it would take is to leak one or two truthful things that get verified, then they could mix in whatever made-up shit they want.
 

Inugami

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Probably depends on the receipts as to whether the GOP would actually vote to remove or you'd get 50-some Senate votes.
They'd have to be promised that they wouldn't be investigated before hand... Right now Big Daddy Trump has their backs (and all of the attention) but you can bet once he's gone a LOT of these republican senators are going to be Mueller's next targets... so they'll want some sort of guarantee that they won't be cast out with the baby's bathwater.
 

ZackieChan

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Think of it this way:

Imagine jerking off continuously, over the course of a night, and edging closer and closer and closer to ejaculation. At several key moments of intense stimuli, delicious delicious drips of pre-cum ooze out, signifying the explosion that is soon to come, but you hold back and relax for a moment each time, because you want to absolutely nail the explosion and derive maximum pleasure.

You keep going... hours pass... the longer you hold it in the more unbearable it's becoming...

At a certain point, the release is coming, we all know this, but we don't exactly know when... but the longer it's being kept in indicates the size of the explosion.
Is this a new Louis CK bit?
 

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Thinking about this more, it's still weird seeing such an explosive headline being nonchalantly dropped into the news like it's nothing.
 

OléGunner

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Let's not forget the article mentions the Trump kids got detailed updates from cohen all through the Moscow tower project.

Junior then lied to Congress saying he had "periphery knowledge" about the whole deal.

An orange jumpsuit looks a damn good possibility.
 
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Let's not forget the article mentions the Trump kids got detailed updates from cohen all through the Moscow tower project.

Junior then lied to Congress saying he had "periphery knowledge" about the whole deal.

An orange jumpsuit looks a damn good possibility.

And more justice will be obstructed when that comes into play. The interesting tipping point in that respect is can even Turtle stomach the optics of intervening to protect the president's children when they're guilty as sin.
 

OléGunner

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And more justice will be obstructed when that comes into play. The interesting tipping point in that respect is can even Turtle stomach the optics of intervening to protect the president's children when they're guilty as sin.

Turtle is willing to be Trumps bitch over stuff like the shut down but protecting the presidents kids who committed clear crimes I would imagine would bring too much blowback from all angles and maybe drag him into the mess.

Then again, this is turtle and I can see him debasing himself to that level for trump.
 

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Yup, it's not even being ran by all the major news outlets so what gives? I guess the general public doesn't care at all about the investigation.
It seems like my favorite political podcasts keep on having to release emergency podcasts twice a week now.
 
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Can we just sieze their assets and lock the whole fucking family up please? Except the kid obviously; I forget his name.
 

BernardoOne

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Because every thread with trump dirt people get thier Hope's up think he's done rinse and repeat.
Seems the issue here is you being addicted to instant gratification and thinking stuff is done in one second.
This is all part of one long, comprehensive investigation with a report that hasn't come out yet. You're just getting details.
 

Taki

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The news cycle for the day hasn't even started yet. Wasn't this dropped after hours? Press go home and sleep you know.
A lot of journalists probably got late-night phone calls earlier tonight and are now sleeplessly corroborating the story. When you release something like this you probably don't want to get this wrong. They're probably revising the front page headline of their newspapers as we speak.

On an unrelated note, I want to be able to use this video un-ironically:

 

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I didn't do well in evidence class in law school, but I believe that any depositions and statements he made would be admissible given that he's an unavailable witness. Maybe someone like Addie can confirm?
Yeah, dead is unavailable for hearsay purposes.

The issue is the Confrontation Clause. Dead's still unavailable, but the Sixth Amendment still applies to even reliable statements of unavailable declarants through Crawford. There are exceptions to Crawford for those purposes too, but the gist is: for a testimonial statement to be admitted as testimonial evidence (meaning, it can be admitted for other reasons), the statements must have been made subject to cross-examination. The wrinkle is if the defendant, through criminal action, caused the death of the declarant: you can't prevent someone's testimonial evidence from being introduced by killing them.

Ordinarily, depos would be fair game.

Here, I'm not sure. There's no criminal prosecution. This is pure investigation, and I don't know if, say, Mueller's team invited John Dowd or whoever to sit in on Cohen's questioning. The key is whether Cohen was "available for cross-examination" at some point.

(Of course, to sum up, this only goes to the introduction of testimonial statements. That's "a solemn declaration or affirmation made for the purpose of establishing or proving some fact," under Davis v. Washington.)
 

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God, this is turning into the Reddit front page. Can we make one thread to keep it all inside? We know he's a criminal. Let Mueller do his thing and create a thread once the orange turd goes to jail.
 

thefro

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Rechecked the timeline and this would have been after Don Jr. testified.

So at the very, very least, this was covering up for another crime (Don Jr. lying to Congress).
 

Fisty

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Step 1. Make Cohen tell the truth in front of the House

Step 2. Subpoena the President
 

Foffy

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Yup, it's not even being ran by all the major news outlets so what gives? I guess the general public doesn't care at all about the investigation.

Let's say there's an oil plant that's been on fire for weeks, and a new explosion happened on the plant while it's been burning for weeks. Who's gonna go "OH SHIT AN EXPLOSION" when it's just more flames?

That's the problem here. It's not that this is a bombshell. At this point, the Trump situation is a crater, with one cult trying to prevent any visual interest in the crash site. And it's not working, for the most part.
 
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God, this is turning into the Reddit front page. Can we make one thread to keep it all inside? We know he's a criminal. Let Mueller do his thing and create a thread once the orange turd goes to jail.
See the Ignore button for threads up top? Use it. This is the biggest story in American politics in decades, sorry if ongoing developments being posted irritates you.
 

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Every news organization is covering this as their banner headline. Except one. Fox is putting the new carivan from Honderus (sp)
As their top story. They're not even covering this at all.
 

ianpm31

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What this presidency has shown as long as "most" Americans lives are ok and it does not directly impede what they want to do then they can give to shits about what Trump is doing. The threshold has been raised exponentially because these politicians are understanding that their are no real consequences from the public. Maybe it's a lack of empathy. A real step of impeding our lives would be no income tax check but they made sure not to do that bc that would actually start to piss people off. So in America you can be a treasonous president and corrupt to the core and even can lie all day long but just don't break up our daily lives. This is from a general standpoint. At some point you would think we should rise up and really hold these guys accountable but I see the lack of energy from the general public.
 

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What this presidency has shown as long as "most" Americans lives are ok and it does not directly impede what they want to do then they can give to shits about what Trump is doing. The threshold has been raised exponentially because these politicians are understanding that their are no real consequences from the public. Maybe it's a lack of empathy. A real step of impeding our lives would be no income tax check but they made sure not to do that bc that would actually start to piss people off. So in America you can be a treasonous president and corrupt to the core and even can lie all day long but just don't break up our daily lives. This is from a general standpoint. At some point you would think we should rise up and really hold these guys accountable but I see the lack of energy from the general public.
the 2018 elections
 

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Unfortunately the only evidence of Trump telling Cohen to lie to Congress -- which would be clear cut obstruction as even Trump's new AG Barr has written, and grounds for impeachment as he also wrote -- is the word of proven liar Michael Cohen. That's not going to cut it with the Republicans in the Senate. Almost certainly wouldn't cut it with a jury in a criminal trial either.
 

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Unfortunately the only evidence of Trump telling Cohen to lie to Congress -- which would be clear cut obstruction as even Trump's new AG Barr has written, and grounds for impeachment as he also wrote -- is the word of proven liar Michael Cohen. That's not going to cut it with the Republicans in the Senate.
Depends on if the investigators have the receipts - multiple witnesses, notes, correspondence - to corroborate.
 

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So what's the over/under on Klobuchar knowing about this

Interesting... For anyone who knows, so if Barr's indeed confirmed (which it seems like he probably will be since I don't see why Republicans would suddenly find their spines to vote against him) and doesn't actually end up following through on this, could the House then subpoena him get him on perjury if he actually tries any funny business like that to protect Trump? Or since he said this in the Senate would it have to be the Senate that would follow up on stuff like that?
 

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Depends on if the investigators have the receipts - multiple witnesses, notes, correspondence - to corroborate.

Yes, that's always the question. That would truly be fantastic. I love the thought of Barr getting confirmed and then Dems quoting from his memo to justify impeachment. It would be too perfect.
 

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Unfortunately the only evidence of Trump telling Cohen to lie to Congress -- which would be clear cut obstruction as even Trump's new AG Barr has written, and grounds for impeachment as he also wrote -- is the word of proven liar Michael Cohen. That's not going to cut it with the Republicans in the Senate. Almost certainly wouldn't cut it with a jury in a criminal trial either.
This is incorrect. It's not just Cohen's word according to this story:
Now the two sources have told BuzzFeed News that Cohen also told the special counsel that after the election, the president personally instructed him to lie — by claiming that negotiations ended months earlier than they actually did — in order to obscure Trump's involvement.

The special counsel's office learned about Trump's directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.
If they indeed have that much evidence, it definitely doesn't look good for Trump.
 

Fisty

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Unfortunately the only evidence of Trump telling Cohen to lie to Congress -- which would be clear cut obstruction as even Trump's new AG Barr has written, and grounds for impeachment as he also wrote -- is the word of proven liar Michael Cohen. That's not going to cut it with the Republicans in the Senate. Almost certainly wouldn't cut it with a jury in a criminal trial either.

Law enforcement officers made this claim, they have receipts or they wouldnt say it
 

Lebron

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What this presidency has shown as long as "most" Americans lives are ok and it does not directly impede what they want to do then they can give to shits about what Trump is doing. The threshold has been raised exponentially because these politicians are understanding that their are no real consequences from the public. Maybe it's a lack of empathy. A real step of impeding our lives would be no income tax check but they made sure not to do that bc that would actually start to piss people off. So in America you can be a treasonous president and corrupt to the core and even can lie all day long but just don't break up our daily lives. This is from a general standpoint. At some point you would think we should rise up and really hold these guys accountable but I see the lack of energy from the general public.
They had record breaking Dem turnouts and got straight bodied in the 2018 midterms. What you going on about
 
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