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efr

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Jun 19, 2019
2,893
The CNN article is question makes zero mention of Clinton or October 2016. 2016 is only mentioned because the poll is about battleground states that Trump narrowly won.

What does actually roughly make your point is that Upshot/NYT poll that the CNN article is referring to but no one knows what the fuck you're talking about because you're talking about CNN and are basically asking people to hunt the right NYT (probably paywalled) analysis done by Nate Cohn on the 4th of November.

If you actually want to debate shit, be specific for god's sake.
The CNN article about 2016 is in a prior response to the poster I was responding to. If you want to debate shit, read the thread, or at least the quote tree you're responding to. Why would you hunt for a NYT poll behind a paywall? Make Apples to Apples comparisons of journalism, not apples to oranges.
 
Jun 22, 2019
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In almost every single thread about Trump there are "he's only getting stronger" posts that do nothing but spread his propaganda when it's very clear to everybody that he's reached his ceiling three years ago and the only thing the guy can do is entertaining his brainwashed base.
These people were always going to be there for him no matter what because they're in a cult, but whoever wasn't in it in 2016 isn't going to join now, and pretending otherwise is just fueling apathy, the kind that can cause people not to vote because "Trump's gonna win no matter what".
I wish these people would shut the fuck up instead of doing Trump's work for him.

Indeed.

I'm still beyond frustrated at how many people do Trump's work for him.

I'm apathetic and feel powerless as fuck. I think Trump will probably win re-election. But at the very least I try to be in opposition to the propaganda narratives in Trump's favor instead of, y'know, fueling them.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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He's not going to say he was impeached but not removed. He's going to say he received full exoneration for all his alleged crimes. He'll wrap everything that's ever happened since 2016 up in the Senate's acquittal.

This will then be repeated by the media, which some will accept as fact.
Great argument here because there's no way he will still claim exactly what you're so afraid of if Democrats don't impeach him instead. Brilliant, really.
 

Hazard71

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Nov 1, 2017
93
Honestly all this did is make sure he gets reelected. His supporters will use this to show how crazy and dividing the dem and left are.

My family are Trump people and they see this as a win for Trump.
 

Deleted member 18944

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am attempting to explain a basic principle to you that, frankly, schoolchildren master with little trouble. I could be much more condescending, but for your benefit and perhaps other curious folks, I will explain a bit more.

Let's say there are one thousand people who are absolutely sure how they are going to vote. Because I'm omniscient, I know six hundred of them are going to vote for A, four hundred are going to vote for B. But you don't know that, and you're not sure! You want to know. So you start asking people, but people are busy and you don't have a lot of time. You only get to ask twenty, randomly, from the population.

Now, hopefully, of the twenty, twelve say they are voting for candidate A, and eight say for B. This would be exactly correct (and is technically the most likely outcome), but it is probably not going to happen. In this circumstance, if you were to randomly get 13 for A and then 7 for B...you can see how simple that would be...now we would project our population to be 65 percent for A, and 35 percent for B. And you might even get a crazier result, like 16 versus 4, just by bad luck!

Polls try to sample as many people as they can, and try to get an accurate cross section of the population (if you were to ask only people with landlines, for instance, you would get only older and thus more conservative folk). So because of this uncertainty and, yes, random chance inherent in representative sampling, there is a fairly significant margin of error within every poll.

Now, I feel a little more comfortable in telling you to close your mouth until you understand what I just said.

I fucking love this forum.
 

RoninStrife

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Oct 27, 2017
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Willing for a public vote or just if voting anonymously
I see. Heres to hoping he uses his massive wealth.. to internally "lobby" hard for a "what if.." scenario for Trump leaving. I think within the Republicans, after the massive loss of the House, it should be lobbied that perhaps Trump may not do as well in 2020 as he did in 2016,and for that reason.. he should be removed now. I hope Republican senators see reason... but damn, my heart says have hope, my brain says theres no chance of that.
 

Deleted member 18944

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not trying to sound defeatist or anything but I am not getting my hopes up for removal of office, and I'm not getting my hopes up for not being re-elected.

Zero faith in the system.

I hope I am wrong.
 
They are saying all this shit, you know, the "family values party", to defend a man that "grabs them by the pussy", paid a porn actress, talks shit about everyone and whole countries as shitholes, is racist scum, has literal concentration camps for children, constantly lies about most topics, etc...

I mean, how fucking hypocrite you have to be? What's with the education levels in the US that the people voted for this crap and actually supports it?
our schools are not funded too well and a lot of the textbooks we use are published in Texas
 

efr

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Banned
Jun 19, 2019
2,893
I am attempting to explain a basic principle to you that, frankly, schoolchildren master with little trouble. I could be much more condescending, but for your benefit and perhaps other curious folks, I will explain a bit more.

Let's say there are one thousand people who are absolutely sure how they are going to vote. Because I'm omniscient, I know six hundred of them are going to vote for A, four hundred are going to vote for B. But you don't know that, and you're not sure! You want to know. So you start asking people, but people are busy and you don't have a lot of time. You only get to ask twenty, randomly, from the population.

Now, hopefully, of the twenty, twelve say they are voting for candidate A, and eight say for B. This would be exactly correct (and is technically the most likely outcome), but it is probably not going to happen. In this circumstance, if you were to randomly get 13 for A and then 7 for B...you can see how simple that would be...now we would project our population to be 65 percent for A, and 35 percent for B. And you might even get a crazier result, like 16 versus 4, just by bad luck!

Polls try to sample as many people as they can, and try to get an accurate cross section of the population (if you were to ask only people with landlines, for instance, you would get only older and thus more conservative folk). So because of this uncertainty and, yes, random chance inherent in representative sampling, there is a fairly significant margin of error within every poll.

Now, I feel a little more comfortable in telling you to close your mouth until you understand what I just said.
Ah, the age old condescending mansplaining technique. Instead of answering any questions, you double down and condescend me further. Beautiful stuff.
 

Mr. Wonderful

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oct 25, 2017
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Great argument here because there's no way he will still claim exactly what you're so afraid of if Democrats don't impeach him instead. Brilliant, really.

Thank you. Unfortunately, I have to make a small correction: that was not an argument. That was just what I believe will happen, largely because it's what I would do in Trump's place. It isn't really meant to be an argument for any particular position.

I do accept the compliment with the full spirit that it was given however, and return it in kind.
 

Rover

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Oct 25, 2017
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Exactly who is being divided by impeachment? Your Trump-supporting relatives were never going to join hands with the left.
 

Mortemis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Regardless of how the corrupt and cowardly elephant turds in the Senate vote, I'm glad that democrats actually went through with this. Fuck Donald Trump.
 

ISOM

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Nov 6, 2017
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Regardless of how the corrupt and cowardly elephant turds in the Senate vote, I'm glad that democrats actually went through with this. Fuck Donald Trump.

Agreed. I can go to sleep happy knowing at least one party in the United States cares about our democracy. I don't even care what the right thinks even if it does help Trump which I don't think it will at all.
 

ty_hot

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Dec 14, 2017
7,176
no way he is getting removed (wtf does impeach mean though?) and I am not confident that this is a good play for the dems for the next election because...

No way we hit 67 but at the very least a symbolic majority is possible

And Impeachment without removal will still carry weight going into an election year
... The "witch hunt" weight, maybe
 

Dogo Mojo

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Oct 27, 2017
2,157
Considering I saw video of republicans comparing this to Pearl Harbor, and fucking Jesus there is zero chance of him being removed by the senate.

It's sad that he will never face any real justice but at least he can feel bad now.
 

Shantae

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Feb 15, 2019
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So it's being spined that him being impeached secures his reelection? What? What the fuck has happened to this world? I'm not annoyed at how stupid the comment is, I'm annoyed at the fact that it might be true.
 

Mortemis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Agreed. I can go to sleep happy knowing at least one party in the United States cares about our democracy. I don't even care what the right thinks even if it does help Trump which I don't think it will at all.
The "impeachment helps Trump's re-election" bullshit can only get a side eye from me. After all those takes about Hillary losing the election because of an FBI investigation, am I supposed to believe it'll have the opposite effect on Trump? Who the fuck is undecided currently thats going to see an impeachment as a draw?

Seems like a coping mechanism by red hats seeing their god get put down a level.
 

ISOM

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Nov 6, 2017
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Really? I'm telling what they are taking from this. I'm not emboldening shit.lmao

You know what would be a accurate sign to wear for the apathetic centrist type of voter that does the work of the right with the "it can only help Trump type of argument" they continue to vomit?. Just have a sign with lmao on it. It would be the most accurate political sign in a long time.
 

Hazard71

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Nov 1, 2017
93
You know what would be a good sign to wear for the apathetic centrist type of voter that does the work of the right with the "it can only help Trump type of argument" they continue to vomit?. Just have a sign with lmao on it. It would be the most accurate political sign in a long time.
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I agree
 

Hazard71

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Nov 1, 2017
93
You know what would be a accurate sign to wear for the apathetic centrist type of voter that does the work of the right with the "it can only help Trump type of argument" they continue to vomit?. Just have a sign with lmao on it. It would be the most accurate political sign in a long time.
I agree
 

Cup O' Tea?

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Nov 2, 2017
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I think it's just easier to be pessimistic in times like these. I'm certainly glad they've impeached him and he gets a permanent black mark against his name but I'm not going to get my hopes up about 2020. If Americans voters actually gave a shit about corruption, they wouldn't have elected him in the first place. Democrats need to actually energise their base and using a strategy "look how bad Trump is", aint going to do it imo.
 

Deleted member 62221

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Dec 17, 2019
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Schrodinger's Impeachment. It makes republicans angry while at the same time "ensuring Trump's victory". Also it makes "centrists" feel concerned and dismissive at the same time.
USA has achieved quantum politics.
 

Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
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So it's being spined that him being impeached secures his reelection? What? What the fuck has happened to this world? I'm not annoyed at how stupid the comment is, I'm annoyed at the fact that it might be true.
I think this will further rile up his people, but I don't think anything is secured. Him getting off should further rile up the people who hate him as well.