Animals aren't human and it's very hard to know EXACTLY when conscious life stops. Assuming that's the best data we have it's still an incredibly barbaric practice.
Yes because that's totally the same as ending another humans life.
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Animals aren't human and it's very hard to know EXACTLY when conscious life stops. Assuming that's the best data we have it's still an incredibly barbaric practice.
Yes because that's totally the same as ending another humans life.
I mean, except in the cases where they are very similar. We tend to use animal experimentation because the expected response is the same or similar to humans. It is unlikely that we are that different.
Sentencing someone to life in prison is still a death sentence. It just takes longer. Game of Thrones' point is like Batman's I don't have to save you, completely hypocritical. Ned sure doesn't have a problem sending people to the Watch where they'll likely die within the week anyway.
I understand that. Regardless even if that's correct and the person is dead within seconds the guillotine is still a barbaric practice so that gets us nowhere.
Taking a life isn't the same as a life sentence, if you disagree with that then i don't think there is any point responding to my posts any further. Also i was more talking about the idea that someone has to be responsible for ending a persons life and that is often overlooked when discussing the death penalty.
It is only barbaric in that the death penalty is. Injecting someone so they are slowly dying while paralyzed looks nicer, but is certainly more barbaric. Electrocution and firing squad are also more error prone, and thus more barbaric. It is the most efficient and quickest death.
If it is about the impact on the person executing, that is why most systems like firing squads are counting on nobody knowing who killed. Firing squad are like 4 blanks and 1 live bullet.
Brandon Bernard executed
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Brandon Bernard executed after Supreme Court denies request for a delay
Brandon Bernard was executed by the federal government on Thursday at the Federal Correctional Center in Terre Haute, Indiana, according to the Bureau of Prisons.
www.cnn.com
Dershowitz actually got involved this of all people. Trying to stay the execution.Brandon Bernard executed after Supreme Court denies request for a delay
Brandon Bernard was executed by the federal government on Thursday at the Federal Correctional Center in Terre Haute, Indiana, according to the Bureau of Prisons.
I remember the case of the woman on death row. She murdered the pregnant woman and cut the 8 month old out of her womb. Her mother who found her thought her stomach had exploded.
I'm personally conflicted. People and cases like these where there is no doubt I don't have a problem with. If someone murdered my wife and cut my daughter out of her I'd want them dead.
But.... a case Like the West Memphis 3 shows you how close an innocent person can come to being murdered by the state. One thing I know for sure is I don't want Trump or Barr deciding how the US government uses executions.
I'm personally conflicted. People and cases like these where there is no doubt I don't have a problem with. If someone murdered my wife and cut my daughter out of her I'd want them dead.
But.... a case Like the West Memphis 3 shows you how close an innocent person can come to being murdered by the state. One thing I know for sure is I don't want Trump or Barr deciding how the US government uses executions.
Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life.
Can you give it to them?
Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
Be more Gandalf. It does not matter what someone has done, how terrible, how inconceivable, how unlikely they are to reform or to repent...state sponsored murder is, was, and forever shall be wrong in all circumstances. If what it takes to protect society from them, and them from society is lifelong imprisonment...then so be it, and preferably in as humane a way as possible.
We are not the monsters. We should not act like them.
Can you give it to them?
Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
Be more Gandalf. It does not matter what someone has done, how terrible, how inconceivable, how unlikely they are to reform or to repent...state sponsored murder is, was, and forever shall be wrong in all circumstances. If what it takes to protect society from them, and them from society is lifelong imprisonment...then so be it, and preferably in as humane a way as possible.
We are not the monsters. We should not act like them.
Bernard absolutely did not deserve to be killed (I'd argue he didn't deserve to be in jail anymore), but of course we know "good behaviour" and "rehabilitation" is for white people. Compare and contrast the next prisoner to be executed, a white man that... you know, I don't even want to write about it.
I mean, who wouldn't? But the entire point of "justice" is that it shold be rational, and for that, the victim should not decide the punishment. Check the woman's wikipedia page (or my post about it); it gives some context that may make one see things in a different light.
I mean, who wouldn't? But the entire point of "justice" is that it shold be rational, and for that, the victim should not decide the punishment. Check the woman's wikipedia page (or my post about it); it gives some context that may make one see things in a different light.
Alfred Bourgeois executed
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U.S. executes second federal inmate in as many days
The execution of Alfred Bourgeois, 56, followed the death of Brandon Bernard, 40. Three more federal executions are scheduled for January, including the first woman in 70 years.
www.nbcnews.com