I'll be sure to mentally name every single explosive arrow I can craft with a very stupid dog name cuz obviously they'll be for these fuckers trained to plain murder people. "HERE REX WHO'S A GOOD BOY NOW"
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Dogs and Infected in The Last of Us 2 Will Have Heartbeats
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I'll be sure to mentally name every single explosive arrow I can craft with a very stupid dog name cuz obviously they'll be for these fuckers trained to plain murder people. "HERE REX WHO'S A GOOD BOY NOW"
but the same stuff is being added to the human enemies.. they all have names, they react to a colleagues death etc.. it is not different.. so why should the dog killings "hurt" you more?
(But somehow I get this.. every time I read "American Psycho" (read it 4-5 times at least), I remember that one scene where he kills a dog in front of his owner. It is very violently and disturbingly described, but so is every other gruesome murder in that book.. it´s so strange that the one dog killing stands out in a book about violent murders.. )
Heh, some people have really strong reactions to my post about not wanting to kill dogs. "You think you're better than others?" or "Can't believe you'd rather kill humans than dogs" etc. I just don't want to kill dogs, why are people getting so hostile about it? And yep, it's cool that the game allows us to avoid that.
It's more the other way around. People that feel bad about it are being hostile towards people reacting on them, saying they don't mind killing dogs.
I hear your har-aart beat to the beat of the drums
oh, what a shame that you came here with someoooone
oh, what a shame that you came here with someoooone
Lol.
Next, we will have a thread for the walking and running feature
We had a thread about meaningless names and now a thread about a mechanic that existed for ages.
Every time ND releases a game the community behaves if nothing came before
Next, we will have a thread for the walking and running feature
We had a thread about meaningless names and now a thread about a mechanic that existed for ages.
Every time ND releases a game the community behaves if nothing came before
In what games do actions and tension affect the breathing patterns of NPC's and main protagonist?
lol
what is with these kinds of comments in threads. reading through the majority of the thread, "the community" has not at all said or behaved the way you are saying.
User warned: thread whining
Except opening a bloody thread for it.
Because we need a thread if a game has breathing patterns and fatigue patterns. unheard of.
Not only that, but a thread with almost 10 pages
Maybe you should take that up with Polygon writing an article about it? or maybe even read the OP/article on how it goes deeper than before or differentiates in previous games...instead of blaming "the community"?
edit: you should read the thread too while you are at it because the 10 pages are filled with a different discussion than you are generalizing
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Should have make her sweat after running, so she can be sniffed out my dogs from grater distances while they are at it.
I am taking it up with them as well. Community is not just us.
For what? You literally described every breathing mechanic, fatigue mechanic. fatigue animation, breathing animation keyed to certain situations etc.
How would you describe Ripley's breathing pattern in Alien then? Or the countless different breathing patterns modern games have actors do?
Cam the fuck on. I am sure it can be more refined in TLOU2, but for now, it's literally a fancy way to describe something we already have in the mainstream.
If anyone don't want to kill dogs in the game, could they just kill the owners?
The dog would get distracted (and sad) because the owner's dead, maybe they now won't hunt you anymore?
The dog would get distracted (and sad) because the owner's dead, maybe they now won't hunt you anymore?
lol okay
you can atleast admit you didn't read the very thing you are complaining and ranting about because the article addresses that this is not a new thing.
edit: alright back on topic
i'm curious if this stuff is actually going to play into listen mode.
explain to me how this
" "What's happening behind the scenes is that [Ellie] has a heart rate that is oscillating up and down," Newman said. "It goes up when you sprint, it goes up when you melee, it goes up when you take damage, and goes up into the presence of enemies. And that modulates the bucket of breathing sounds that she's able to use. "
It's not a fancy way to described breathing patterns scripted to and tied to animations and actions.
I read OP, but I read through the embellishment of characters that simply breath differently if stressed or fatigued. Welcome to 2010.
But anyway, I already got my warning for thread whining, carry on buy getting excited for plane stuff without me.
You're thread whining. Press the ignore button and move on to threads that actually do have your interest.
That's pretty cool attention to detail! I do worry the dogs will be frustrating to deal with, like in most games. But hopefully they're slow trackers, and not homing missiles.
What controversy are you talking about? I haven't noticed anyone calling out ND for adding dog enemies to the game, because, as you said, it's pretty standard. Some users said they weren't personally looking forward to having to kill dogs, which is fair, no pushback is needed unless you want to be an asshole and show off how edgy you are.
I'm not baffled by people saying they're going to kill everything, because okay, we all approach games differently. That's fair.
But the people coming to say they're going to kill all the dogs specifically, well, I find that a little strange.
I'm gonna kill all enemies in every location, so I can look around quietly and loot every house and room without having to worry about enemies attacking me. And enemies also drop loot themselves, so there's an extra reward to it. If you find that strange, then I don't know what to say.
You're literally saying you find that strange. You are actually assuming people are mentioning dogs specifically because they're some kind of psychotic dog haters or something. That is in fact strange. People are mentioning dogs specifically, because others are mentioning dogs specifically when it comes to being bothered killing them. People saying they're gonna kill all dogs, are most likely also going to kill all humans. I'm more worried about people only having problems with enemy animals and not enemy humans.
I'm literally saying I don't find "I'm going to kill everything" posts strange, scroll up.
As for people mentioning dogs specifically because others mentioned killing dogs, specifically, makes them feel uncomfortable - now why would you do that except to be an asshole? Take a step back from the keyboard and think about your life choices.
I mentioned it in a previous post but Harry Mason from Silent Hill on the PS1 would react to how much you make him run.
He breathing becomes shallow and more rapid the longer you make him run. He also physically moves his shoulders and head as he pants and if you don't allow him to take a break he just stops running until he catches his breath. So I suppose we can say Harry too, has a heartbeat.
I also recall another game having heavy breathing mechanics to indicate when enemies are closer, it might have been Penumbra on Steam. I guess that character too, has a heartbeat.
Those would be actions and tension affecting the breathing patterns of NPC's and main protagonist
Edit: Isaac from Dead Space too. I recall hearing rapid panting after fighting.
I would not watch the whole video (go to 04:10) but towards the end Isaac fights two enemies while in space and you can hear his breathing become more pronounced. You can even hear his heartbeat speed up as he gets hit.
That's an amazing detail. Because you're in space, the only sounds you can hear are what's going on in the players suit and the sound design was sure to make it interesting.
If I recall correctly it would get louder the closer you're to death which alerts the gamer to use a medkit if they couldn't see the spinal health indicator.
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So people are assholes for thinking different about stuff and posting that? If you like something and I say I don't like it, I'm an asshole? You should take a big step back from the internet and start practicing not being offended by everything, jeez.
Thanks, I haven't played these games.
You never played Dead Space? Are you into horror games? Because if so the original is an amazing game well worth trying if you enjoy that genre. Sadly the franchise's decline is a good example of how large publishers ruined their games with microtransactions but that's a story for another time.
While I personally wouldn't call the Last of Us a horror game, I feel that attention to atmosphere it has and the small mannerisms from characters was a natural development from the original Resident Evil, Silent Hill and Dead Space games.
Correct. I stepped in fairly late when I purchased a PS3. Also not specifically into horror games, except when it's an experience like RE7 in VR.
Because the attempt to humanize enemies in this game is rare when taken in context of the entire gaming landscape.
People can't react to that the same as killing dogs because they haven't experienced that contextualized killing yet. Gamers kill hundreds and thousands of humans in gaming, because that's the crutch by which gameplay is driven in the vast majority of titles. Gamers do not kill hundreds and thousands of dogs. So the idea of killing dogs is immediately more uncomfortable (something gamers rarely do) vs the idea of killing humans (something gamers do, probably, every single day in games).
There'd be a point of dog slaughter was commonplace in games like the slaughter of humans is. But it isn't.
Haha, well, it probably has something to do with the fact that I love dogs and prefer them over most people most of the time outside of video games. I don't think it's all that unheard of or strange to be more bothered by violence against animals than humans, though, at least in a media context -- the (super popular) John Wick films are basically the poster children for this. Hundreds and hundreds of people die in myriad gruesome ways in those movies but obviously you're rooting for John because, well, those people work for the guy who killed his dog, so of course they have it coming. Hell, I think a lot of people would tell you the scene in John Wick 3 where one of Halle Berry's dogs gets shot -- non-fatally -- is harder to watch than any of the wanton violence occurring throughout the rest of the film. :P
That's just how it is with me, haha. I didn't take any pleasure in killing the human enemies in the demo either, mind you, but killing the dogs just bothered me a lot more. Not saying you shouldn't be able to or anything like that, though, as it's perfectly and brutally realistic, which is what TLoU is all about.
It's not really that strange unfortunately, and it's obviously not just an issue with games/movies/books - it's a real life issue.
Most people here/in the West are detached from the uttermost of human suffering, which is what enables them to empathise more easily with animal suffering.