Very true. An argument can be made that at least one of those 3 belong on that list. No mercy is GOAT.
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Does the N64 have the best Top 10 games out of every console ever?
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Doesn't even crack the top 10 of all console top 10s due to sheer performance issues. There are better remasters/re-releases or sequels to all of these games available except Goldeneye, which is unplayable on the original hardware today without massive nostalgia. Perfect Dark doesn't belong anywhere near the top 10 to begin with. This era is rough in general but the N64 is the most difficult system to go back to now.
They aren't disconnected. I really enjoyed goldeneye but was not wowed by the design.
Robotron 64 and Episode One Racer also had similar control schemes.I'm afraid you're completely wrong, have you actually played them?
Both n64 games have dual analog options using 2 controllers in the settings.
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark
Hence...these unholy abominations lol
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People often mention "nostalgia" when talking about those who enjoy N64 games and I really can't help but laugh. The amount of nostalgia goggles some people have when it comes to 3D games outside the N64 is frankly absurd. There was nothing like Mario 64 on competing platforms and even the games with lower frame rates like Zelda were not matched in terms of scope or design by anything 3D on the PS1 or Saturn. The N64 was designed for 3D when nothing else was and comparable PCs were hundreds of dollars more expensive. Did people forget what rotating the camera on a 3D game for the PS1 was like?
….that doesn't mean the N64 has the best top ten ever though.
….that doesn't mean the N64 has the best top ten ever though.
Haha what? I don't remember this at all. Probably because 99% of my time with this game was spent in multiplayer. Thats nuts.You can play at least Goldeneye with dual analog on N64, but you need to play it with 2 controllers.
GoldenEye 007 | 1 Player 2 Controllers | Blam Cat
Did you know you can play the campaign mode of GoldenEye 007 with two controllers? I discovered this a few years ago, and it's a fun new way to play this N64...youtu.be
Yeah, I didn't know about it either until I was well into my 30s a few years ago 😂
Stacked against other systems, the N64 has one of the weakest libraries, imo. The games just aged very badly and outside of 15-20 games I'm not a fan of the selection of titles.
We might need to differentiate between "best games at the time" and "best games to play today."
Quake and other contemporary PC shooters did do some things that GoldenEye didn't, shortly before GoldenEye came out. Even something like GoldenEye's mission design can be seen in games like Star Wars Dark Forces (was there a PlayStation version of that?). I wouldn't be surprised if GoldenEye was influenced by some earlier PC games, but the developers also attributed a lot of it to Mario 64's multi-objective levels, and then that aspect made it into Thief. Even much of Doom's design was inspired by Nintendo games.
Basically, no matter which was better at the time, I don't think anyone can deny that GoldenEye was a landmark for first person shooters in general.
The PS2 really just wins in terms of sheer volume, and like the N64, the foundations its games laid for what came after. There needs to be a longer conversation about which PS2 games actually hold up today.
The 360's top 10 looks pretty strong when you think about it:
(just rambling games off the top of my head)
COD4
Gears 3
GTAV
Portal
Dark Souls (is that the best RPG on the 360?)
The first good port of Half-Life 2?
Mass Effect (or 2, whichever you prefer)
Dragon Age Origins (or Inquisition, whichever)
BioShock
Bayonetta?
The PS4 games haven't fully tested their staying power but...
(again, just throwing shit out there)
I'm sure people are gonna put Last of Us 2 on there
Same with God of War
And Red Dead II
Bloodborne
Witcher 3
Disco Elysium
Divinity OS2
Tetris Effect?
GTAV? (most of its lifespan was on this generation)
Undertale
I hope you're being sarcastic about the PC shooters but we are getting into some deep, oldschool PC vs console fighting here, even though the thread just said "consoles."
Quake and other contemporary PC shooters did do some things that GoldenEye didn't, shortly before GoldenEye came out. Even something like GoldenEye's mission design can be seen in games like Star Wars Dark Forces (was there a PlayStation version of that?). I wouldn't be surprised if GoldenEye was influenced by some earlier PC games, but the developers also attributed a lot of it to Mario 64's multi-objective levels, and then that aspect made it into Thief. Even much of Doom's design was inspired by Nintendo games.
Basically, no matter which was better at the time, I don't think anyone can deny that GoldenEye was a landmark for first person shooters in general.
Honestly I agree (SSX is an arcade game, it wasn't supposed to be realistic). The games people are putting in the PS2's top list don't control all that well today if you ask me. The PS2 era GTA games are just about unplayable for me (they were back then too). SOTC is in my top games of all time but ran like shit on the PS2. MGS2 and 3 are held back by convoluted controls rooted in the 2D design of the original 8-bit MSX games.
The PS2 really just wins in terms of sheer volume, and like the N64, the foundations its games laid for what came after. There needs to be a longer conversation about which PS2 games actually hold up today.
The more recent consoles do need to be brought into the discussion.
The 360's top 10 looks pretty strong when you think about it:
(just rambling games off the top of my head)
COD4
Gears 3
GTAV
Portal
Dark Souls (is that the best RPG on the 360?)
The first good port of Half-Life 2?
Mass Effect (or 2, whichever you prefer)
Dragon Age Origins (or Inquisition, whichever)
BioShock
Bayonetta?
The PS4 games haven't fully tested their staying power but...
(again, just throwing shit out there)
I'm sure people are gonna put Last of Us 2 on there
Same with God of War
And Red Dead II
Bloodborne
Witcher 3
Disco Elysium
Divinity OS2
Tetris Effect?
GTAV? (most of its lifespan was on this generation)
Undertale
This is my preferred control scheme. You get to play with 1 controller and the other buttons aren't that hard to reach for use/weapon change.
Yes, there was. DF did a video on it.
DF Retro Play: Star Wars Dark Forces - a PC Classic But What About The PS1 Port?
Dark Forces was LucasArts' brilliant attempt in bringing the Star Wars universe into the Doom-style first-person shooter genre. The original PC version is a ...
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I'm not sure why influence is brought up so much when the topic only mentions "best". Those can overlap but they don't have to.
Anyway, I do think the N64 is one of the better consoles when strictly talking about a top ten but a Genesis list is even more replayable to me with stuff like:
Sonic series
Shinobi series
Phantasy Star IV
Thunder Force series
Streets of Rage II
Rocket Knight Adventures
Contra Hard Corps
Flashback
Wonder Boy series
Snatcher
I probably put all other Nintendo home consoles top 10s above the 64. I don't think they hold up as well.
I would imagine for the purpose of this exercise the list would have to be exclusives. Because you just listed like 7 of the most well known/beloved multiplatform games, and then a few PS3 only games.
As always, it depends on what you like. Trying to find some objective "best top 10" is a fruitless exercise.
Different eras of gaming. I don't think it being multiplatform matters much when talking about the PS3 and modern era. What matters is "you can play these games owning this one console."
Different eras of gaming. I don't think it being multiplatform matters much when talking about the PS3 and modern era. What matters is "you can play these games owning this one console."
Influence and best can go hand in hand in my opinion. Very confused by posts in this thread in general, but I guess it has to do with how people feel about these games in a modern context, which I think is odd. I still like a lot of them in a modern context personally, though.
lol no
That gen alone and the PS1 eviserated it. As for Nintendo consoles, the N64's library or top 10 is one of the weekest.
A bunch of games on OP's list weren't great back then and have aged horribly now. The N64 had the staggering brilliance of Mario 64, OoT and GoldenEye, a small handful of bangers like Marjoras Mask, F-Zero X , Paper Mario and Mario Tennis, then average to shit making up the rest of its paper thin library.
That gen alone and the PS1 eviserated it. As for Nintendo consoles, the N64's library or top 10 is one of the weekest.
A bunch of games on OP's list weren't great back then and have aged horribly now. The N64 had the staggering brilliance of Mario 64, OoT and GoldenEye, a small handful of bangers like Marjoras Mask, F-Zero X , Paper Mario and Mario Tennis, then average to shit making up the rest of its paper thin library.
Definitely not. In fact I'd say it's probably my least favourite of any Nintendo console not called Wii U (Virtual Boy doesn't count, it doesn't even have 10 games..).
This is all subjective though, I'm an RPG guy so the N64 just wasn't my thing anyway.
This is all subjective though, I'm an RPG guy so the N64 just wasn't my thing anyway.
I think the PS1 has a better top ten, personally, so I don't think the N64 wins its own generation in this regard (my PS1 top ten is basically just a bunch of RPGs and Symphony of the Night, so it doesn't have as much variety). To me, the N64 fares better if it's a list of its top five games, as I mainly enjoy the system's two Zelda games and Super Mario 64.
And I like the SNES's top ten a lot more than the N64's, too. The SNES has perhaps my favourite top ten of any console.
And I like the SNES's top ten a lot more than the N64's, too. The SNES has perhaps my favourite top ten of any console.
SNES hands down.
Mario World
Mario Kart
Mario All Stars
Legend Of Zelda LTTP
Donkey Kong Country
F-Zero
Mario Kart
Super Metroid
Final Fantasy 6
Street Fighter 2
Mario World
Mario Kart
Mario All Stars
Legend Of Zelda LTTP
Donkey Kong Country
F-Zero
Mario Kart
Super Metroid
Final Fantasy 6
Street Fighter 2
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My name is Lara Rofl. I'm so slow, that I make Dash Rendar look like Super Mario!
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My name is Wario World. Miyamoto didn't have time to create actual level design, so he gave me a dinosaur instead.
My name is Contra 3: The Alien Snore. Are you sure you didn't mean to play Gunstar Heroes instead?
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My name is Solid Fake. I'm an 8 bit game in a 32 bit era, with graphics so sharp, they might cut you if you brush up against the screen.
My name is Lara Rofl. I'm so slow, that I make Dash Rendar look like Super Mario!
My name is boy with a Lion Tail. Our writing is on a third grade level, but everyone still feels mature when they read it.
My name is Silence Hill. The only thing scary about me is my gameplay!
My name is Link to the Facts. My gameplay is so mundane, they invented the word snappy to euphemistically refer to it.
My name is Samus Errand. My game starts with a gigantic wall of text, recounting the boring events of entries past. I have terrible boss fights, clunky mechanics, dull graphics, and an endless series of easily beatable enemies. They say I have great map design though, so it's okay.
My name is Wario World. Miyamoto didn't have time to create actual level design, so he gave me a dinosaur instead.
My name is Contra 3: The Alien Snore. Are you sure you didn't mean to play Gunstar Heroes instead?
My name is Super Castle Save Ya. Who will save us from these boring games!
My name is Metroid Crime. I have lock on shooting in the Year 2002, a year after Halo. But it's okay because I'm not a first person shooter. I end with two hour's worth of gun battles
My name is Resident Evil Rebate. I have tank controls in the Year 2002. And they say that N64 games have aged poorly!
My name is Mister Falcon. I was designed by a past their prime Sega, but people think my track design is better than a game developed by EAD at their peak. Good thing I have good graphics!
My name is Paper Mario: The Thousand Wrestling Matches.
My name is Resident Evil Bore. I'm the Gamecube's best game, but even I'm being remade these days!
The thing about N64 is it has both Mario 64 and Ocarina, and there are very few consoles with multiple GOAT options outside it.
I do think its Top 10 might not be as good as some other consoles, as some of it's best games have better permutations elsewhere (TTYD > Paper Mario, Melee/Ultimate > Smash 64) but it's still pretty great. It's still probably the best local multiplayer console outside of maybe the Wii (and Switch if you count ports).
I do think its Top 10 might not be as good as some other consoles, as some of it's best games have better permutations elsewhere (TTYD > Paper Mario, Melee/Ultimate > Smash 64) but it's still pretty great. It's still probably the best local multiplayer console outside of maybe the Wii (and Switch if you count ports).
I dunno. This classic is arguably a better spread of ten and it's not even a full year.
I think PS2 has takes the crown
I can see the argument, but outside of nostalgia, I don't really care much for those games.
Jesus, I almost forget how Nintendo carried this system, almost by themselves. And thus the Nintendo Tax was born.
Only if you like your games chugging along at 15-20 fps. I have a lot of love for the N64 (and PS1) but that generation has not aged well at all.
You could make a top 10 list in every genre from the games that appeared on PlayStation 2 and it would be competitive with the N64's top 10 games.
The N64 has it's place in history with some amazing games but even having 10 of the greatest games for that generation doesn't hold a candle to just how massive the PS2 was.
The N64 has it's place in history with some amazing games but even having 10 of the greatest games for that generation doesn't hold a candle to just how massive the PS2 was.
...How did you own an N64 and never play Super Mario 64? I thought pretty much everyone with an N64 got it, lol.
Considering how many people gobbled up a janky, floaty, clunky and poorly animated mess like Oblivion, I am not at all surprised by some of these answers. Yes, OoT has a poor framerate, but it still plays great and trounces even games that came a decade after it.
Was Mario 64 a pack-in game at some point? If so I missed it. I got an N64 in 2000 with a Pikachu on it an only ever owned the games Pokémon Stadium, Stadium 2, and Snap. I rented Pokémon Puzzle League once an thats the extent of my N64'ing. Clearly at the time I was almost all about PKMN though I did play alot of Saturn/PS1 still. Then the same year I got my N64 the Dreamcast came out an there was no way I could give the N64 a second glance outside of further PKMN games @_@
I guess it depends on what kind of games you like.
I personally think Mario 64 and OOT were great games for the time and they are groundbreaking in a number of ways but they were/are over hyped. Those two games enter the cannon because they are Important.
But a lot of the games in your list don't hold up, were not as good as contemporary games and are also not historically important. But if you like those kinds of games they might make an impression on you personally.
I would have a hard time coming up with a total of 5 games from the N64 that would go onto a best 100 games of all time.
I personally think Mario 64 and OOT were great games for the time and they are groundbreaking in a number of ways but they were/are over hyped. Those two games enter the cannon because they are Important.
But a lot of the games in your list don't hold up, were not as good as contemporary games and are also not historically important. But if you like those kinds of games they might make an impression on you personally.
I would have a hard time coming up with a total of 5 games from the N64 that would go onto a best 100 games of all time.
OOT and MM are the only ones that stood the test of time. Love Kart 64 but it's been outdone by a wide margin now. Mario 64 is and was trash to me personally. Most of these games were all great games when they were released but are pretty much unplayable now or have a much better sequel.
Best top ten…. EVER!?
We're 5 gens deep in the 3D era and we're actually arguing that the n64, from the very first main 3D gen, has the best top 10 EVER?
That's absolutely absurd.
That entire generation has aged horribly due to how archaic the controls are in comparison to what we have today.
The games were great, sure for it's time, but not best top ten ever of a system. PS2 has a better top 10. So does 360, PS3, PS4, Switch.
I loved my 64, but the library is overrated.
We're 5 gens deep in the 3D era and we're actually arguing that the n64, from the very first main 3D gen, has the best top 10 EVER?
That's absolutely absurd.
That entire generation has aged horribly due to how archaic the controls are in comparison to what we have today.
The games were great, sure for it's time, but not best top ten ever of a system. PS2 has a better top 10. So does 360, PS3, PS4, Switch.
I loved my 64, but the library is overrated.
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The consensus answer is GTA 3 San Andreas. It's thought of very well and it's install base was massive. Just because it's be the normies choice doesn't mean itd be the wrong one.
I just love that this has morphed into a relatively good discourse about the N64.
But, I really, REALLY wish people would just freaking give it the respect that its due.
It's absolutely not a terrible system and the library is excellent - it just lacks the random low B- to C-tier games that the PS1 and Saturn have.
I've played many of those B- C-tier games on those systems and while they help fill out the library, they don't really do much for me anymore.
Performance is rough across all 3D systems that generation. The PS1 has polygons sporadically jumping around into place with tons of dithering and limited play areas. I'll take rough frame rates over polygons snapping randomly into place in restricted corridors.
2D performance is mostly fine for all the systems.
That's a fair post, if not cutting the library a bit short of what its worth. I am curious to know why you think the PS1 and Saturn are far above the N64 - when I think, apart from FF7, MGS, and SOTN, the N64 had the defining game experiences of the generation on it - and I believe is actually the concept that the OP was aiming for, even if it wasn't stated.
I am glad to see one of my personal favorites - HM64 - on your list, though!
Obviously, if you like fighting games, Shmups, or JRPGs, the N64 was not the console for you.
But, there are still many, many great games in the library worth checking out.
To mention a small few: there's still Mischief Makers and Bangai-O (which I prefer to the Dreamcast version) from Treasure, for one.
And another Ganbare Goemon (Great Adventure) game that plays more like the SNES games - and some consider to be better than the 3D platformer.
Custom Robo (and Custom Robo v2) is highly regarded (and I think has a translation patch) - definitely worth people's time.
Rogue Squadron is Rogue Squadron.
Hybrid Heaven may (or may not) have been developed as a side-story of Metal Gear Solid. Though not an excellent game, it's still a fascinating bit of history.
It also had a game now known as Animal Crossing on it - which definitely had no equal that generation - even if the far superior "enhanced" version released like 8 months later.
I think it had a better exclusive puzzle game lineup than the PS1 (depending on how much one enjoyed Intelligent Cube).
Is that the Japanese Bomberman 64 or, I'm assuming, the N64/PAL version?
The Bomberman games are supposedly pretty decent on the 64.
The point is, I don't think it's nearly as cut and dried as modern gamers make it out to be - including like 60-70% of this thread.
There appears to be a growing movement where huge library = best library. But, I don't think it's that simple of an equation.
WHO is overrating the N64 library in this thread?? Everyone hates the N64 library, according to this thread.
There are entire PAGES of this thread where everyone completely dismisses the N64 library.
But, I really, REALLY wish people would just freaking give it the respect that its due.
It's absolutely not a terrible system and the library is excellent - it just lacks the random low B- to C-tier games that the PS1 and Saturn have.
I've played many of those B- C-tier games on those systems and while they help fill out the library, they don't really do much for me anymore.
Performance is rough across all 3D systems that generation. The PS1 has polygons sporadically jumping around into place with tons of dithering and limited play areas. I'll take rough frame rates over polygons snapping randomly into place in restricted corridors.
2D performance is mostly fine for all the systems.
That's a fair post, if not cutting the library a bit short of what its worth. I am curious to know why you think the PS1 and Saturn are far above the N64 - when I think, apart from FF7, MGS, and SOTN, the N64 had the defining game experiences of the generation on it - and I believe is actually the concept that the OP was aiming for, even if it wasn't stated.
I am glad to see one of my personal favorites - HM64 - on your list, though!
Obviously, if you like fighting games, Shmups, or JRPGs, the N64 was not the console for you.
But, there are still many, many great games in the library worth checking out.
To mention a small few: there's still Mischief Makers and Bangai-O (which I prefer to the Dreamcast version) from Treasure, for one.
And another Ganbare Goemon (Great Adventure) game that plays more like the SNES games - and some consider to be better than the 3D platformer.
Custom Robo (and Custom Robo v2) is highly regarded (and I think has a translation patch) - definitely worth people's time.
Rogue Squadron is Rogue Squadron.
Hybrid Heaven may (or may not) have been developed as a side-story of Metal Gear Solid. Though not an excellent game, it's still a fascinating bit of history.
It also had a game now known as Animal Crossing on it - which definitely had no equal that generation - even if the far superior "enhanced" version released like 8 months later.
I think it had a better exclusive puzzle game lineup than the PS1 (depending on how much one enjoyed Intelligent Cube).
Is that the Japanese Bomberman 64 or, I'm assuming, the N64/PAL version?
The Bomberman games are supposedly pretty decent on the 64.
The point is, I don't think it's nearly as cut and dried as modern gamers make it out to be - including like 60-70% of this thread.
There appears to be a growing movement where huge library = best library. But, I don't think it's that simple of an equation.
WHO is overrating the N64 library in this thread?? Everyone hates the N64 library, according to this thread.
There are entire PAGES of this thread where everyone completely dismisses the N64 library.
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