Does it really make sense for the next Smash Bros to be a reboot?

[Sea lion]

There's been a lot of talk about the next SSB being a reboot and cutting a lot of characters, but what would be the point?

The gameplay isn't stale, boring or broken.

Everybody loves it and it's smashes the sales charts every time.

It'd result in a lot of favourites cut and controversial opinions.

All for what?

I say the next SSB builds on Ultimate and see how far we can get the roster numbers. It's already insane but imagine if it went bigger. I feel like the roster is the most hype thing about Smash and as long as it continues building it will truly be a beast like no other. Nothing could compete with it.

And how exactly would they reboot it anyway? Totally scrap the well loved fighting mechanics?

 

[FiXalaS]

Yes it should

not all characters will be back, time for a big overhaul.

 

[BIG BENGHAZI]

I'm doubtful there will be another Smash game at all. If they do Sakurai shouldn't be at the head because that poor man needs some rest.

 

[DrArchon]

At some point they have to start cutting characters because the roster size of 100+ or whatever just isn't feasible.

You can't balance a cast like that without it being a massive drain on resources, having to tweak models and animations for everyone seems like a nightmare, etc.

 

[Sephzilla]

Outside of a small handful of Nintendo characters who aren't in yet how the fuck can the roster even expand beyond what it is?

 

[Hace]

This is already built on from a Wii U game, in 8 years or so it will be stare, and without a doubt dated looking.

 

[Directed by Fulci]

The next Smash will be substantially different.

 

[TheInfinityGauntlet]

The roster is hype but there's only so long you can coast on the size of it, they will have to revamp eventually, probably not the next, maybe not even the one after that but in time it's bound to happen and there's bound to be an onslaught of thoughtless complaints about it

Everybody loves it

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Speak for yourself

 

[EVA UNIT 01]

Up the roster numbers just cause?
Pass.
Id be fine with ultimate being the finale or at least being it for a good while

 

[PBalfredo]

The question that gets overlooked is what would a smash bros reboot even look like?

 

[ChrisD]

I'd imagine on top of all the work so many characters would require, the rights for all those licenses would be a giant pain to reaquire. It will absolutely need "rebooted" in whatever may come next.

 

[The Adder]

"The same game, but less so" isn't going to sell to anyone.

 

[Civilstrife]

I'm not sure an overhauled fighting system would still be Smash, and that's the only reason I can think of for a reboot.

 

[Neoxon]

"The same game, but less so" isn't going to sell to anyone.

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I mean, they're gonna have to scale down eventually. Ultimate's size isn't sustainable for the long-term.

 

[DrArchon]

I'm not sure an overhauled fighting system would still be Smash, and that's the only reason I can think of for a reboot.

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They could overhaul individual characters while keeping the core gameplay the same.

I would be 100% down for a top to bottom Samus rework.

 

[FiXalaS]

The roster is hype but there's only so long you can coast on the size of it, they will have to revamp eventually, probably not the next, maybe not even the one after that but in time it's bound to happen and there's bound to be an onslaught of thoughtless complaints about it



Speak for yourself

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Did you really think he meant everyone in existence

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Unless the next smash is completely different, like Power Stone or some such then I don't think we need another one anytime soon if ever.


Nintendo Vs Capcom however....

 

[Ryuelli]

As a more casual Smash fan I'm not interested in a game that offers "less". Literally the only thing I want from Smash is more characters and more stages. If the next game offers less, I'll be sticking with Ultimate.

I'm doubtful there will be another Smash game at all

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Ultimate has sold 5 million copies in less than a week. I would be very surprised if there wasn't a Smash 6. I think it's years away, but Nintendo is a business and there's money to be made.

 

[darkside]

The question that gets overlooked is what would a smash bros reboot even look like?

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power stone

 

[TripaSeca]

Smash Bros Galaxy.

Platform fighting in spheres

 

[The Adder]

I'd imagine on top of all the work so many characters would require, the rights for all those licenses would be a giant pain to reaquire. It will absolutely need "rebooted" in whatever may come next.

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You replace the ones you can't keep with similar Nintendo characters from lesser known series that wouldn't otherwise be getting in.

It's what I wanted them to do with Snake's moveset before Everyone is Here. Replace him with Sami.

 

[Servbot24]

What do people want out of a reboot? Completely new gameplay? I'd be down with a 3D brawler but that seems like it could just be a new franchise.

 

[Enforcer]

While I am very much enjoying the game it does have the same feel as the previous Smash with slight improvements.

I would like a reboot and rework the fighting system. The known systems like stock, edge guard, shield and others I am missing should be there in some form but there should be major additions and changes that shake the core gameplay.

 

[Deleted member 8791]

I'm fine with total overhauls of select veterans rather than a total reboot and I also think that's likely. Maybe add them as a newcomer and keep the old version as a veteran and split them by naming them depending on what game they originate from, like the Link variants.

 

[Neoxon]

They could overhaul individual characters while keeping the core gameplay the same.

I would be 100% down for a top to bottom Samus rework.

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This is what I'm expecting. Characters like Mario & Samus are long overdue for a rework, & making this widespread would be a great way to capitalize on working on Smash from the ground-up.

 

[BIG BENGHAZI]

Ultimate has sold 5 million copies in less than a week. I would be very surprised if there wasn't a Smash 6. I think it's years away, but Nintendo is a business and there's money to be made.

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Yeah, you're probably right. With the finality of having Ultimate in the name and bringing back all the characters and stages from previous games made me feel like this was the end of the franchise. Anything beyond this point would feel weird. For me anyway.

 

[Deleted member 18742]

At least 25% of the roster should be cut for the next game and thats a start. But the next Smash should definitely keep all the stages and music if possible.

 

[Sparks]

Up the roster numbers just cause?
Pass.
Id be fine with ultimate being the finale or at least being it for a good while

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Yea agreed with this.

It's a beautiful send off. Hopefully the next one is a ways off and tries something completely different, just keep porting Ultimate over to whatever devices they create as well just to have that there for people that want that.

 

[Neoxon]

What do people want out of a reboot? Completely new gameplay? I'd be down with a 3D brawler but that seems like it could just be a new franchise.

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I see "reboot" as how Street Fighter usually starts from zero for each numbered game. It'd basically be a Smash game that scraps all previous assets & starts from scratch.

I'm fine with total overhauls of select veterans rather than a total reboot and I also think that's likely. Maybe add them as a newcomer and keep the old version as a veteran and split them by naming them depending on what game they originate from, like the Link variants.

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This is what I was hoping they'd do for Mario & Link now that we have Dr. Mario & Young Link. I mean, Dr. Mario kinda does this since he has Mario's old Down-B, but I was hoping that they'd get more crazy with BotW Link.

 

[ResetGreyWolf]

Outside of a small handful of Nintendo characters who aren't in yet how the fuck can the roster even expand beyond what it is?

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There are thousands upon thousands of characters that could be added. Everything from Dixie Kong to Rhythm Kids, from Geno to Krystal, from Master Chief to B-K, from Monster Hunter to Alucard, from Rayman to Ezio. Finding newcomers, first- or third-party, isn't the issue here.

 

[Z-Beat]

Not really. Rebooting fighting games usually amounts to changing the view. Idk if a 3d view smash would work

 

[Glio]

People say that the game needs an overhaul but it never explains what it needs to change.

To start any change to 3D (Power Stone style) would be terrible.

 

[Fumpster]

I think when people want a "reboot" they more mean "keep the same gameplay style, but all the stages are brand new and the characters movesets are redone from scratch"

 

[MisterSnrub]

Nintendo VS Marvel

It's the only logical way forward folks

 

[Neoxon]

Up the roster numbers just cause?
Pass.
Id be fine with ultimate being the finale or at least being it for a good while

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Yea agreed with this.

It's a beautiful send off. Hopefully the next one is a ways off and tries something completely different, just keep porting Ultimate over to whatever devices they create as well just to have that there for people that want that.

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So basically you guys want Smash as we know it to end at Ultimate? We all know that's not gonna happen, especially considering how much money Smash makes.

 

[The Adder]

The one real improvement I have wanted them to make for a long time? Proper loadouts. Customs were a half-measure. I don't want variants of the same moves. I want each special to be have options for different relevant abilities with similar, though not the same, utility.

I'd buy a reboot with a greatly reduced roster for that.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Make Nintendo Vs Capcom already, gimmie that Phoenix Wright Vs Ayumi Tachibana dream match

 

[Servbot24]

I see "reboot" as how Street Fighter usually starts from zero for each numbered game. It'd basically be a Smash game that scraps all previous assets & starts from scratch.

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Oh. That sounds less like a reboot and more like a new entry in a video game franchise. They should clearly create new assets when they have new gen hardware.

 

[Watchtower]

Any rework idea that involves significantly changing up gameplay or removing clones or adding story cutscenes is a pipedream at best. The second point is especially egregious when the whole point of Echo Fighters was to rebrand clones as meaningful additions. Even moveset revamps don't call for too much attention, as the likes of new Link and PT can attest to.

The only thing that makes sense is limitations from needing to migrate to a new engine or in finding a new director that has no problem going a completely different direction than Sakurai.

 

[Neoxon]

Oh. That sounds less like a reboot and more like a new entry in a video game franchise. They should clearly create new assets when they have new gen hardware.

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The way I see it, starting from scratch gives you the opportunity to rework the veterans, as we've seen in Street Fighter between numbered entries.

 

[goldenpp73]

They shouldn't 'reboot it' unless they want to tank it. There is no real way to change the formula without alienating fans, and if reboot is code for, butcher the roster, then no.

 

[Deleted member 543]

Sure, when Nintendo goes third party they'll have to dump half the Nintendo characters to make room for MS and Sony reps.

 

[HylianSeven]

I think a reboot would be a bad idea in the sense most people are talking to. Significantly reworking the whole combat (even potentially getting rid of the "knock them out of the ring is the goal" mechanic) would be a horrible idea because it wouldn't be Smash. Smash is known for that being the gameplay.

The other aspect I see a lot of talk in is gutting the roster, and I think this would be suicidal for the franchise. Often this talk consists of ideas such as cutting all Fire Emblem characters except Marth, cutting third party characters, cutting all Zelda characters except Link and Zelda, cutting Lucas, cutting all Pokemon except Pikachu and Jigglypuff (the original 12 would be safe, so that's why Jigglypuff would stay theoretically), cutting Zero Suit Samus and Dark Samus, etc. It boils down to cutting all the characters of a franchise but the "major" ones. So for Mario, Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser would reasonably be safe, while Bowser Jr., Daisy, and Rosalina would get the boot. Smash lives and dies by it's roster. It's a game about characters from many different franchises fighting. The roster has built up and up over every single game. While Brawl and Smash For had cuts, they still went in an upward direction with their rosters overall. People complain about the number of Fire Emblem characters in Smash, but I guarantee you if Robin, Corrin, and Ike were cut, people would riot. Those three in particular all bring something unique to the game.

Any Smash game with a gutted roster would be seen as an inferior game. It doesn't matter if the game were to somehow do 1-to-1 Melee physics and mechanics, it would still be seen as a worse game because of the roster. I don't think "Everyone is here!" will realistically happen again, like Sakurai said. Some cuts would most certainly have to be made in a future game, but a gutting of the roster for a "reboot" is a terrible idea.

 

[steviestar3]

I enjoy the excess of modern Smash but I would be interested in seeing a lot of the older series mainstays (Link, Samus, Mario, Luigi, Ganondorf, Kirby, etc) reimagined with movesets as creative and interesting as the Smash 4/Ultimate newcomers. That's really only feasible in a reboot as they just don't have the time to give, for example, Link a brand new BotW focused moveset while also developing 80 other characters. It would also be a great opportunity to trim the fat of some franchises like FE or Zelda (Young/Toon Link), allowing them to add new reps for these franchises with greater moveset diversity without bloating out the roster even further.

 

[The Adder]

The one real improvement I have wanted them to make for a long time? Proper loadouts. Customs were a half-measure. I don't want variants of the same moves. I want each special to be have options for different relevant abilities with similar, though not the same, utility.

I'd buy a reboot with a greatly reduced roster for that.

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To use an example:

Fludd shouldn't be Mario's vB. It should be an option for his neutral along with fireball, cap toss, and hammer toss.

 

[fourfourfun]

I'd like to see it go Powerstone style.

 

[Deleted member 202]

I hope you are ready for Smash Bros. Royale.

 

[EVA UNIT 01]

So basically you guys want Smash as we know it to end at Ultimate? We all know that's not gonna happen, especially considering how much money Smash makes.

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Never said that.
I said id be ok with it

 

[Deleted member 36578]

People think it'll be a reboot because this last one set a precedent that many think can't be topped. I personally just want them to keep building upon Ultimate.

 

[Neoxon]

Never said that.
I said id be ok with it

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Oh, either way, this won't be the end of Smash as we know it. We'll get a game after Ultimate, but I don't think this roster will be sustainable. Hell, I'm not even expecting any DLC characters past the already-announced Fighters Pass.