I agree, they don't do justice to the original story- or world-wise. They've tried twice now, I don't think they should try a third time.
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Does Deus Ex have a chance to come back with the cyberpunk hype?
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I voted, "it's dead", but I think it saying, "it's possible" is probably more accurate.
I think it all depends on how well Cyberpunk executes on the immersive sim aspects of the game. I think if the game is more action heavy, it could leave room for another Deus Ex game.
Another thing to consider is the mindshare that Cyberpunk will command. It makes you wonder if there will be any room for a Deus Ex like game in the future?
I think it all depends on how well Cyberpunk executes on the immersive sim aspects of the game. I think if the game is more action heavy, it could leave room for another Deus Ex game.
Another thing to consider is the mindshare that Cyberpunk will command. It makes you wonder if there will be any room for a Deus Ex like game in the future?
If they don't finish Jensen history I know I'll skip the next Deus Ex entry.
Not only because is fucked up to leave an arc open like they did so far with Jensen but also because I'll not trust them to follow the next arc they built up!
My vote is that it's dead. Eidos MTL will probably be busy doing the Avengers and post-launch will be a big commitment if it lands well at release.
I voted probably, I personally loved HR and MD they were not as good as they could have been I felt they both needed more development time especially MD, HR was best of the two. What I really would like to see is a full blown remake of the original as I never played the original back in the day. I bought IW on launch and well....IW was not a good game it kinda put me off wanting to play the original back when IW was released, I made a bad call but I don't feel like playing such an old game now.
As much as I'd love to see where the Jensens story would go after the second game I think the series is gonna get a long break whether we like it or not.
Personally I really like both of the newer entries in the series and I'm sad to see it go by the wayside for now. Maybe some time to breath and come back swinging is what the series needs though so I'm hopeful for the future.
Personally I really like both of the newer entries in the series and I'm sad to see it go by the wayside for now. Maybe some time to breath and come back swinging is what the series needs though so I'm hopeful for the future.
SE doesn't know how to make a WRPG to compete with Cyberpunk. Not that they ever knew, but they made damn sure their western studios weren't going to learn by tying them to bland franchises under orders of becoming the "mee too" flavor of the month.
It's all GAASpocalypse from now on.
It's all GAASpocalypse from now on.
My Deus Ex... what have they done to you? My Jensen... multiple-path options, remote-hackable mechs, hacking into someone's email while synths pump into my ears... I miss it, all of it. Fuck them dime store Avengers.
We'll see what happens when their meme-bound game comes out in an Anthemic state and does wonders to their brand.
Don't put your eggs yadda yadda
I see Deus Ex going the way of Splinter Cell, where every year we expect that this year's gotta be the year, the time is right, why wouldn't they do it... and then it never happens.
I am curious how this is going to work out in a subscription-model future. If publishers are going to be like Netflix, wouldn't they need content every month? That's what the smaller-budget titles and sequels should serve. Are publishers likely to just let out-of-date shareholders destroy their business?
Not related to Square Enix, but I personally don't see the appeal of something like Origin Access right now. Anthem was months ago and the upcoming Star Wars is a single player game coming months from now. I guess it's fine if you really like Battlefield and Sports? I'd imagine EA would like more than that.
I hope they're taking time to really analyze and reflect on HR and MD and carefully craft the finale for the Jenson arc via a spectacular 3rd game. They're talented and I know they're capable of making something great but the changes from HR to MD weren't as great as they could have been. They expanded on a lot of the right systems and tuned up a lot of the mechanics though, and the level design speaks to their understanding of how DE games *should* be crafted. They just didn't push things far enough and take risks.
Though to be transparent here- I haven't completed HR or MD but got well into the both of them. I was really hoping for a remaster of HR so I could finish and I've been meaning to wrap up MD.
Though to be transparent here- I haven't completed HR or MD but got well into the both of them. I was really hoping for a remaster of HR so I could finish and I've been meaning to wrap up MD.
Man do I hope so, Mankind Divided had amazing level design and art. Played the game well after launch and enjoyed it a ton. (Actually bought it cause I was hyped from the first 50min game play of 2077)
Deus Ex provides a pretty different interpretation of cyberpunk from 2077 as well, and I think it could successfully slipstream off of 2077's success (which I think will be huge) without seeming like a knockoff. I'd like to see them lean more into the more physical immersive sim game play of the Dishonored series to further differentiate it. Specifically the free flowing use of powers and melee combat that Dishonored has - I think this could be implemented seamlessly into Adam Jensen's world. (People seem to dislike the battery system anyways)
As far as immersive sims not being successful, its purely a marketing problem. To the casual viewer, there is no difference between a first person immersive sim and a first person rpg. Obviously the Elder Scrolls and Fallout do gangbusters so....Heck you could probably sell Deus Ex as just a narrative shooter.
(Bring back Acronym for the third game!)
Deus Ex provides a pretty different interpretation of cyberpunk from 2077 as well, and I think it could successfully slipstream off of 2077's success (which I think will be huge) without seeming like a knockoff. I'd like to see them lean more into the more physical immersive sim game play of the Dishonored series to further differentiate it. Specifically the free flowing use of powers and melee combat that Dishonored has - I think this could be implemented seamlessly into Adam Jensen's world. (People seem to dislike the battery system anyways)
As far as immersive sims not being successful, its purely a marketing problem. To the casual viewer, there is no difference between a first person immersive sim and a first person rpg. Obviously the Elder Scrolls and Fallout do gangbusters so....Heck you could probably sell Deus Ex as just a narrative shooter.
(Bring back Acronym for the third game!)
Funny enough, if that was the case then the game might actually come out after the date that Human Revolution was set, that being 2027.
Bit bizarre that they chose a date so early honestly - apparently 8 years from now we're all going to have robotic arms and stuff?
The inherent problem with this approach is the gold rush. They're all aiming to be that forever game that people should play as their one game. As we've seen, the market cannot support more than a few of these. There is a lot of risk in something like Avengers versus some mobile gacha game (though that market isn't as green as it used to be).
Just given the original game's status in gaming history, I imagine somebody will take a crack at the series again at some point, but how long and what form that game may take? Who knows!
I never usually wish death upon a game but I hope Avengers becomes the next Anthem-like disaster so Eidos Montreal can finish Jensen's story off with one more game and move on.
It can easily make a comeback I think. Square Enix just needs to not be stupid about how it handles it. First thing is technically any new game can not have any problems. That was a big issue with Mankind Divided. They need to not obviously remove content to sell as DLC. It was so blatant what they did with Mankind Divided and inexcusable. They need to actually have realistic expectations about how its going to sell as well. I think it's also time to move on from Jenson and move the story forward. Void out Indivisible War if you have.
What I hope they won't do is copy whatever Cyberpunk ends up doing. If it's doing great things then be influenced by it but don't copy it.
What I hope they won't do is copy whatever Cyberpunk ends up doing. If it's doing great things then be influenced by it but don't copy it.
There are HD mods out there for the first game. A lot of mods I think that have come out over the years. Would seem like a waste to try and do an official one and it not hold up to what fans have already done. A full remake would be better but would rather a new entry instead. Or start a new world separate from the Jensen/Denton world.
Yes, I'm not buying what CDPR are selling until I get it in my hands. The hyperbole surrounding that first gameplay video from last years E3 was insane.
I strongly preferred HR to MD but MD had better combat by far. However This is why I still have hope. And there were too many unresolved threads from MD and HR that need to be tied up.
The Black Light novel strongly implies Adam is dead, at least legally. What about what we find in the Versalife Vault? What about Megan and the "missing aug" quests? Adam figures out Delanne is a Illumanti agent at the end (during the conclusion of the prison DLC). Is madame photographe, the red head who spied on Jensen the entire game of MD really Jenna Thorne? (How many pale skinned, henna-red haired female special agents with arm augs can there be?)
And the soundtrack is fucking amazing, particularly the ambient.
The Black Light novel strongly implies Adam is dead, at least legally. What about what we find in the Versalife Vault? What about Megan and the "missing aug" quests? Adam figures out Delanne is a Illumanti agent at the end (during the conclusion of the prison DLC). Is madame photographe, the red head who spied on Jensen the entire game of MD really Jenna Thorne? (How many pale skinned, henna-red haired female special agents with arm augs can there be?)
And the soundtrack is fucking amazing, particularly the ambient.
If Cyberpunk 2077 does really well then I'm sure some suit at Square-Enix will demand Eidos reproduce that success.
But that would be once again learning the wrong lesson. Deus Ex is not a AAA franchise. It shouldn't be given a AAA budget and it shouldn't be expected to sell 6 million copies to break even.
But that would be once again learning the wrong lesson. Deus Ex is not a AAA franchise. It shouldn't be given a AAA budget and it shouldn't be expected to sell 6 million copies to break even.
I don't understand why so many people want to see what happens next with Jensen. Like I like Jensen, and I know MD leaves you hanging, but do you really care? Like really lol? I think it was a mistake to bring him back in the first place because it kind of shits on HR's ending regardless of how hard they tried to maintain ambiguity (because they failed to do so).
Add to that these games are prequels. We know what happens cause we've seen it. Jensen fails to stop the illuminati, he fails to achieve literally anything.
I loved the original, loved HR(very different from the original but great in its own way) but I really didn't feel MD. It played better than HR, but the setting didn't feel as fun and the characters didn't stay with me. It was the "Eh it's there" game for me.
I didn't care up until I read up on the theory that
because they could go some really interesting places with that and unshit on HR's ending. No idea if it's true or not because I didn't read super into it, but if they go with it I could see that being rad.
I didn't care up until I read up on the theory that
Jensen may have died at the end of HR and the Jensen we play as is a clone
Didn't SE mandate 2 teams make Deus Ex, one team worked on Mankind Divided, the other team called MD2 worked on the sequal of that? Whatever happened to the sequel in progress?