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Doctor Who Series 12 |OT| Spyfall Is Where We Start
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I see Big Finish is doing the I evitable Jack & River Song stories - three stories. One of them has Jackie Tyler as well!
Episode titles for the rest of the series:
Can You Hear Me?
The Haunting of Villa Diodati
Ascension of the Cybermen
The Timeless Children
The Haunting of Villa Diodati
Ascension of the Cybermen
The Timeless Children
I've started having subtitles on as default these days. I find a lot of modern TV is mixed badly, with the music far too high up, but then there's things like living in a flat and watching a loud TV stresses me out, so I turn the volume down.
Give it a go.
The Timeless Children, ok, I'm curious can good episode title for the final.
Wonder how far it'll go to resolve the mystery's or if it'll continue into the next series.
And yet we've got another The [blank] of [sci fi name] episode in the final four anyway!
I'm enjoying the new series, though being a watcher since Christopher Eccelston, the formula is becoming a little less shocking when considering a tease for something bigger than what we currently have each episode. Ultimately nothing in this series finale is going to have any kind of continued consequence in the show. Every episode saves the galaxy or world. Like, what stakes could be higher? Are companions going to be killed off? Is the Doctor going to be killed off and replaced unexpectedly? No. Is anything that happens in this finale going to have any kind of knock on effect for the character going forward? It may be mentioned once or twice in the next season. As I say, I'm enjoying this season more than I thought I would. It's just a little hard to get excited for the tease of something big when its most likely not going to change much. I could be proved wrong and I'm sure it will still be fun with the Cybermen probably being in it.
I have noticed the loud music trend also. I thought maybe it was my setup, because often I will have the volume set to hear the dialogue and then an action scene kicks in and the mix goes from normal to blasting loud. Really annoying
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Probably unavoidable, but it is slightly funny that episode 9's title essentially deflates any/all tension of what will presumably be episode 8's climax and Jack's threat of the 'Lone Cyberman'.
Well....
People may not like it, and it might end up getting as quickly forgotten as it was included, but I'm fairly sure they'll be something lore-changing in the finale.
Well....
People may not like it, and it might end up getting as quickly forgotten as it was included, but I'm fairly sure they'll be something lore-changing in the finale.
Moffat's observation that the Mondasian Cybermen are functionally a different monster to the rest of them always struck me as pretty insightful, to be honest. They're almost entirely different, from conception on up, to what we have today- part of the reason why bringing them back for World Enough and Time was such a good idea.
These are comfortably the best modern Cybermen, though.
I don't know how to feel about that episode. It was interesting but it had the problem episodes of this era usually have where the pacing is weird and everything just gets resolved too quickly. The companion parts were interesting but it's hard to care as much when they're non-entities most of the time. At least felt unique in a way most episodes haven't.
Also they were totally setting up the companions leaving at the end of this season.
Edit: I really hope the next episode delivers on the cheesiness that the preview seemed to have.
Also they were totally setting up the companions leaving at the end of this season.
Edit: I really hope the next episode delivers on the cheesiness that the preview seemed to have.
It's frustrating it was so languid because it was a good episode otherwise. If that had been an RTD or Moffat episode it would have been punchy and very effective. In the hands of Chibnall it was too chilled out though still decent. The climax was a bit off, just needed a bit more oomph about the villains being defeated to round it all off.
Also, Orphan 55 continues to haunt this season like a spooky ghost.
Also, Orphan 55 continues to haunt this season like a spooky ghost.
The mental health help videos at the end have basically nothing to do with the monster plot?
Weird episode, Opened out fairly well then just got so bogged down in technobabble that I just zoned out. And I don't really want to complain about the ending clips but they just felt so disconnected from anything else. Like it was clear they were going for a mental health angle from the start, but they really didn't do enough to earn them.
Should have been more about the nightmares the cast were given rather than a few seconds of clips that the Doctor fixes with a wave of the sonic.
Weird episode, Opened out fairly well then just got so bogged down in technobabble that I just zoned out. And I don't really want to complain about the ending clips but they just felt so disconnected from anything else. Like it was clear they were going for a mental health angle from the start, but they really didn't do enough to earn them.
Should have been more about the nightmares the cast were given rather than a few seconds of clips that the Doctor fixes with a wave of the sonic.
I have given this era all the patience I have to give, and I am at breaking point. My fandom is literally hanging on by a single thread, and that is to see if the Ruth arc is going to play out as rumoured.
If it does, I officially am moving on from Doctor Who and wish it all the best. What was the narrative point of both last week's and tonight's episode? All it feels like is that they are vehicles to say, hey, we pollute the environment so please stop, and it's ok to be depressed and talk. We are humans and we are all awesome! It's just agenda first, then everything after.
If it does, I officially am moving on from Doctor Who and wish it all the best. What was the narrative point of both last week's and tonight's episode? All it feels like is that they are vehicles to say, hey, we pollute the environment so please stop, and it's ok to be depressed and talk. We are humans and we are all awesome! It's just agenda first, then everything after.
Oh come on, it's good that the episode tackled mental health and depression and telling people that it's okay to talk about it because it's such a big killer in society today. Jeez.
Oh please, they aren't putting an "agenda" first. They want to talk about different issues and there's nothing wrong with that. There's still full narratives in each episode even if they aren't paced well but the nightmare theme in this episode allowed them to show a bit more of that flashback for the Doctor in a more natural way.
Dr Who's always had an 'agenda' - the Daleks were an anti-facism parallel, and Planet of Giants in 1964 warned about the dangers of pollution.
Good episode, and nice to see the Guardians and the Toymaker namedropped - Zellim would fit right alongside them.
Good episode, and nice to see the Guardians and the Toymaker namedropped - Zellim would fit right alongside them.
I'm not a huge fan of the edutainment aspect of Chibnall's era but thought it worked OK tonight. Execution could have been better - the content could have been better seeded throughout the episode instead of shoved in after the climax - but conceptually it was fine. It's a good thing for the show to cover and gelled well enough in the Vincent episode previously.
I like how nicely you put this, the way I describe them is as literal space Nazis :p
Yeah, that's my takeaway. Can't complain about something saying it's ok to be anxious or out of sorts and not have to suffer through it alone.
Good creepy episode. Toymaker, Guardians and Eternals were interesting name drops. I thought he might be the Meddling Monk at first. Shame the resolution was too rushed after an interesting build-up. Maybe an episode featuring literal gods would have been better served as a 2-parter. Enjoyed the character-focused scenes at the end. Feels like a setup for the companions leaving at the end of the season.
Yeah it definitely felt as if it was meant to be a two parter at one point, with the midpoint when the Doctor gets captured. Then it got a bit messy, and the resolution to beating the bad guys went too quick and was the usual "humans are too special and sonic trickery", but the last part of the episode was genuinely well written I thought and was actually emotional. I enjoyed the animated sequence of the villains backstory too.
There's a lot about it I liked, but like a few others said it didn't fully work as a whole. Hard for me to put into words why. Combination of pacing, music and direction I think. My favourite end character moments were Yas and Graham's. Really well done and its what has been mostly missing these past 2 seasons.
There's a lot about it I liked, but like a few others said it didn't fully work as a whole. Hard for me to put into words why. Combination of pacing, music and direction I think. My favourite end character moments were Yas and Graham's. Really well done and its what has been mostly missing these past 2 seasons.
Just watched the last 2 episodes. Really liked both, and next week's preview looks right up my alley.
Praxeus - Liked all the globe-hopping, and I was really happy that the hot gay cop and astronaut couple survived. Love a happy ending! Thanks Doc for giving a shit and not ditching them like that mother and daughter on Orphan 55~
Can you hear me? - Gotta love how hilariously quick the Doctor can squash a villainous god or two. Like the idea of exploring the character's worst fears. Somehow even Ryan's worst nightmares are boring, but Graham was on point as usual. And well done Yaz, get that character development!
Praxeus - Liked all the globe-hopping, and I was really happy that the hot gay cop and astronaut couple survived. Love a happy ending! Thanks Doc for giving a shit and not ditching them like that mother and daughter on Orphan 55~
Can you hear me? - Gotta love how hilariously quick the Doctor can squash a villainous god or two. Like the idea of exploring the character's worst fears. Somehow even Ryan's worst nightmares are boring, but Graham was on point as usual. And well done Yaz, get that character development!
Do we know anything about what's been going on BTS, that could explain why certain episodes seem as if they were originally intended as two-parters; why the pacing is off in a few off the episodes, and why some episodes seem like an amalgamation of two stories and those two stories don't seem to fit smoothly?
I mean was there some major change, that resulted in episodes being rewritten or something?
I mean was there some major change, that resulted in episodes being rewritten or something?
Not a solid explanation but it is known that pretty much all scripts were rewritten in some form by RTD & Moffat through their eras, but only saw to credit themselves if the contribution was major. Chibs has been credited as co-writer on the last three. Episode 4 was easily the most focused of the standalone episodes so far and it was a solo credit - written by a former script editor. Yet you also have Judoon which seems like something Chibnall could have written himself but Vinay Patel is also credited.
I do believe it has been explained that there has been more of a "writer's room" setup for the Chibs era. I would argue it has made everything outside of the showrunner episodes more consistent, just not in a good way.
I felt this episode would have been great as two parts. Does a wonderful job telling us about the companions but the eternals, whatever they were, didn't have long enough to be a threat. Entertaining enough.
Solid episode. Its the first new episode that has its own identity, doesn't rest its laurels on the RTD Era, has a very important allegory wrapped up in a story of Gods and Monsters like its an ancient greek tragedy(especially with the Constellation bit), and it's the first time in NuWho that actually made me feel bad about the companions and the consequences of being the Doctor's companions. Shame that its one episode out of 20 that really left a mark, but that's better than nothing I guess.