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Doctor Who Series 11 |OT|- She’s Here, and It’s About Time
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nah, I'll take the messiness of that over the paint drying dullness if this season any day
I frankly barely even paid attention to this episode. Currently, I just don't particularly like anything about this season or new era of Who. I don't like the style, the stories (sole highlight for me was Rosa Parks), most of the characters and I still don't have much of an idea what kind of character Whitaker's Doctor wants to be (which is obviously not her fault, or at least not exclusively) and I'm somewhat puzzled by some of her actions. Putting less of a focus on an overarching plot might not be the worst idea, but in this case it just seems like they want too far into the other direction. It just feels kinda pointless to me.
Long story short, I'll give it some time and rewatch the season in half a year or so with adjusted expectations. Maybe then I'll come around on it. Right now I just don't really care anymore, which definitely influences my opinion negatively.
Long story short, I'll give it some time and rewatch the season in half a year or so with adjusted expectations. Maybe then I'll come around on it. Right now I just don't really care anymore, which definitely influences my opinion negatively.
A harmless joke about Christmas Dinner is much better to me than a lazy "kids today and their screens!" joke. Just feels like the kind of joke you'd hear Piers Morgan say on Good Morning Britain tbh
I do agree that as an in-universe rationale that makes some sense. I've never been okay with this whole idea of canon, though. Invention is too important to be constrained.
Series 7 had stories like Town Called Mercy, Power of Three, Hide and Cold War. I often wonder whether the "fans" who post here have actually watched the show.
Not a fan of Piers Morgan, but as I said in my post I love dialogue. I watched the episode again just now with one of my two adult kids, and when we got to that bit we just looked at one another and giggled.
Me neither lol, but I've been forced to listen to enough Good Morning Britain (my mum loves to play it at a loud volume in the mornings) that a joke like that just makes me groan more than anything.
We don't know that there wasn't a fleet. If you're referring to where the Doctor tricks the Dalek, I don't think she was implying that there wasn't a fleet, just that she didn't take the Dalek to the fleet. It would explain why she was trying to block the signal.
Not everyone has to share your opinion of those particular episodes being the pinnacle of series 7, or even been good at all. Although, Cold War was ok.
Sometimes I really wonder why the people who post here bother to watch the show at all. If it's so dreadful, why not find another show to be sniffy about?
Not a bad episode, though I really liked Lin. The Wi-Fi joke could have easily been cut, it just didn't work and added nothing to the show.
Personally though I would have killed off Ryan dad at the end of the episode.
The episode also highlighted something important...Yas is wasted on Doctor Who as she was serverly underdeveloped and in this episode you could erase her out and nothing would have changed.
It also lame that Doctor Who isn't returning till 2020, all that momentum gone.
Personally though I would have killed off Ryan dad at the end of the episode.
The episode also highlighted something important...Yas is wasted on Doctor Who as she was serverly underdeveloped and in this episode you could erase her out and nothing would have changed.
It also lame that Doctor Who isn't returning till 2020, all that momentum gone.
Quick heads-up - Big Finish are doing a run of deals up to the seventh, but one specifically for the New Year (and therefore expiring at the end of the 2nd, i.e. 22 and a bit hours from this post) is that they're giving away the Sirens Of Time - their very first Who story (featuring 5, 6 and 7) for free.
https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/12-days-of-big-finishmas-gallifrey-and-sirens
Edit: Oh, another short deal to tie in with the episode: Dalek Empire is discounted until the 3rd.
https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/12-days-of-big-finishmas-gallifrey-and-sirens
Edit: Oh, another short deal to tie in with the episode: Dalek Empire is discounted until the 3rd.
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Watching the New Years Day special and I'm so annoyed we have to wait a full year before the next season. I really enjoy this cast and this special. When it this season hits the emotional beats it knocks them out of the park and this episode is no different.
Overall I enjoyed this season a lot. It's been pretty different from the past seasons and 13th is very different at times but I really like her and can't wait to see more of her.
Overall I enjoyed this season a lot. It's been pretty different from the past seasons and 13th is very different at times but I really like her and can't wait to see more of her.
It was nice to see them get rid of the toilet plunger on the Dalek and the metal design looked pretty good.
The rest....I wanted to like but can't say I was enraptured.
The rest....I wanted to like but can't say I was enraptured.
RTD and Moffat had previously tried to sell the Daleks as a threat where even a single one was enough to bring down an entire planet, but the actual execution always fell flat. Here, for the most part, it felt like the first time where you could believe one Dalek was enough to take Earth.
Felt good as the episode progressed, then the ending happened... yikes. What a hot mess of a season.
I kind of loved this episode. I've been down on all of Series 11 but the Dalek was really well done here and in a unique way that felt really threatening. Felt more like Doctor Who with the Dalek, Unit, and 13 herself seemed more like the Doctor. This was Jodie's best episode by far.
"Next stop, everywhere" at the end reminded me of River's line. We got the now traditional shot of the Doctor through the Dalek lens.
I still have some complaints though. The supernova that sucked out only the Dalek was kind of unbelievable though, and 13 still seems a little incompetent. Yaz basically had nothing to do in the entire episode. I didn't like the scene with the Wi-Fi cutting out.
This could have just as easily been a Christmas special, might have been even better as one. Especially with Ryan's dad visiting.
Hopefully Series 12 is much more like this episode than Series 11.
"Next stop, everywhere" at the end reminded me of River's line. We got the now traditional shot of the Doctor through the Dalek lens.
I still have some complaints though. The supernova that sucked out only the Dalek was kind of unbelievable though, and 13 still seems a little incompetent. Yaz basically had nothing to do in the entire episode. I didn't like the scene with the Wi-Fi cutting out.
This could have just as easily been a Christmas special, might have been even better as one. Especially with Ryan's dad visiting.
Hopefully Series 12 is much more like this episode than Series 11.
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Yeah, there was a lot in it to make it really feel at home.
Like Mr. Joker said, I really liked how they did Lin's side. Those action bits with those rock beats as she did her stuff under its control, loved those scenes, familiar but still loved it.
And 13 when she realized it was a Dalek and gave that "oh shit" look at the console. And when she finally said the line to the Dalek.
LOL damn at the phone call about Unit. Also. for some reason I always love when characters end up talking to a help line lol.
"Don't take with alcohol or you'll grow an extra head" LOL
The no wifi line actually did make me chuckle lol. The mom saying "conversation" rather than the more "we'll have to talk" or whatever felt a bit more cumbersome than natural maybe though lol
Yeah, there was a lot in it to make it really feel at home.
Yeah, I gotta say I really liked this special episode a lot. The first scene with Ryan and his dad might have been a tad longer than needed to fit in a bit more Dalek, but otherwise I thought it was quite fun. I agree, the big problem is that the wait is sadly going to be so long to build any momentum. Would have enjoyed the feeling of going into season 2 off of this.
Like Mr. Joker said, I really liked how they did Lin's side. Those action bits with those rock beats as she did her stuff under its control, loved those scenes, familiar but still loved it.
And 13 when she realized it was a Dalek and gave that "oh shit" look at the console. And when she finally said the line to the Dalek.
LOL damn at the phone call about Unit. Also. for some reason I always love when characters end up talking to a help line lol.
"Don't take with alcohol or you'll grow an extra head" LOL
The no wifi line actually did make me chuckle lol. The mom saying "conversation" rather than the more "we'll have to talk" or whatever felt a bit more cumbersome than natural maybe though lol
For me a strong season, but not incredible. Many seasons seem to have some very high highs and very low lows. This season was fairly consistent, but had no individual incredible episode.
I very much like Jodie's doctor. I liked the companions. With three companions some didn't get as much focus, but I enjoyed the chemistry and interaction between them. I like the change from the (for the new series) near standard of one companion.
I'm excited for the next season. It will be a very long wait.
I very much like Jodie's doctor. I liked the companions. With three companions some didn't get as much focus, but I enjoyed the chemistry and interaction between them. I like the change from the (for the new series) near standard of one companion.
I'm excited for the next season. It will be a very long wait.
I thought at first the Dalek rebuild was a bit far-fetched, particularly the ability to fly... but then I remembered the 3rd Doctor was confident in his ability to fix the TARDIS after the Time Lords neutered it and he built the flying Whomobile with 70s tech.
I enjoyed the episode but I feel like a quicker pace for non-historicals would make the show more exciting, especially for episodes where the script is lacking.
This really sums up my biggest problem with this era and/or Chibnall particularly. Everyone points to the 'emotional character moments' and talks about how Chibnall is clearly returning to RTD's style of putting character above plot. But it's always done so awkwardly and barely ever weaved in to the main narrative that it just never lands for me.
Yaz talking about her family in Ghost Monument. The Graham/Grace stuff in Arachnids. Ryan talking about his mum in Tsuranga. It all feels like these sudden hard cuts to 'drama' before switching back to Doctor Who. As you say, its like turning over the channel its so stark. And maybe it's not the worst thing, but it's incredibly inelegant. Like, think back to Rose's arc across Series 1. Rose, Dalek, Father's Day - they all feature emotional beats for her, but also play in to that episode's narrative. And Chibnall doesn't seem to want/be able to do that.
Very up and down episode again. Nice tense build up and then a funny but overlong and slightly off-tone WiFi gag. Checkov's oven was obvious from the start and made no sense whatsoever.
Large army squad wiped out but then the doctor reverts to the OG method of simply running up behind a dalek and then pushing it about.
Large army squad wiped out but then the doctor reverts to the OG method of simply running up behind a dalek and then pushing it about.
I was just watching Dalek from Series 1 and was just thinking something similar. Rose causes the Dalek to both "regenerate" and change for the better after the Time War, and she does the same for the Doctor over the course of the series. The regeneration into Ten feels very much in response to Rose.
RTD said in his personal head-canon that he thinks one regeneration can be influenced by the experiences of the last - so specifically he suggested that the Tenth Doctor was a direct response to Rose and even ended up with the accent he did in a subconscious attempt to be attractive/pleasing to her. Moffat raised this theory again in some panel somewhere and furthered it by suggesting that the Twelfth Doctor was Scottish out of a sort of subconscious affinity for Amy. One can extrapolate this further, obviously - Missy was very important to Twelve, so maybe that's why we ended up with the switch for Thirteen, etc.
I've always liked this idea though, especially the suggestion that it's just subconscious and can't be helped.
That's what I'd always believed, great to hear it was definitely intended.
In Deep Breath it's said the Doctor used faces as masks to be accepted, and he was showing Clara his true face rather than putting on another young face because he trusted her.
I mean, the real reason Tennant spoke in the accent he did and not in his own is RTD didn't want the character to do a "regional tour" with another regional accent after Eccleston, but these fannish explanations from the showrunners are cute, if nothing else.
Remember when people were thinking one of the group would leave by the end of the season. Honestly now I think the group will remain to the end of Jodie's run
I mean, not really? It isn't that there's anything special about the supernova, it's that the Doctor has worked the TARDIS's forcefield that normally lets them stand by the open doors in outer space to have a Dalek sized hole in it so that the mutant will be sucked out in to the imploding star while leaving the rest of them safe. Except she can't always control the thing as well as she'd llike, so we get the mess with the hole expanding and threatening to drag the rest out as well.
Sure, the way his Doctor was written though, and him being younger for reasons both in and outside of the story, definitely seemed to be in response to Rose though. Tennant himself said this too:
I've also seen the interpretation that the 11th Doctor was so young and 'puppy dog like' in order to make everyone love him, after coming off the back of the 10th losing everyone. Like how baby animals are said to genetically look cute so that they aren't harmed by others.
There's also the in-universe explanation for the 12th Doctor looking old because he trusted Clara, the one person to have seen all his faces and (presumably) no longer care how he looks.
And, of course, the 13th Doctor being female in the hopes of going back and impressing Bill :)
My favorite episode of this season, but still a lot of problems for me. UNIT "reveal", the oven, and the abrupt ending were super underwhelming. The Dalek as a threat was handled great, though. The Doctor risking everyone's lives to suck the Dalek into a supernova seemed very odd and out-of-character for me.
I really enjoyed that episode. The threat of a Dalek was well done.
And now no more Doctor Who until 2020. Maybe another New Years special?
And now no more Doctor Who until 2020. Maybe another New Years special?
Easily the best sci-fi episode of the season, though I'm not sure it's better than the historical episodes like Rosa and Demons of the Punjab.
Is that really all we get from Who until 2020 though?
I feel like this was only a New Years special instead of a Christmas special so that the show technically had something come out in this calendar year.
Is that really all we get from Who until 2020 though?
I feel like this was only a New Years special instead of a Christmas special so that the show technically had something come out in this calendar year.
The 2020 thing is still the biggest bummer to me.
Getting only 10 episodes of this show over 2 and a half years, yeesh. This is following the 1 and a half years that was between series 9 and 10. What a messed up production this show looks like it has.
Basically back to hoping Big Finish can fill in the long gap. Getting ridiculous that i have to keep doing that.
Getting only 10 episodes of this show over 2 and a half years, yeesh. This is following the 1 and a half years that was between series 9 and 10. What a messed up production this show looks like it has.
Basically back to hoping Big Finish can fill in the long gap. Getting ridiculous that i have to keep doing that.
Probably not
I'm still not sure why this wasn't a Christmas episode
"Something something Chibnall" lol
I think this was probably the best Dalek episode since "Dalek", and maybe Chibnall's best episode?
Almost certainly. I actually had to go look up the writer mid-episode because I was like "There's no way Chibnall wrote this."
I'm more on Chibber's side than most, I feel, but this is my favorite of his for sure. My previous favorite was probably Power of Three.