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Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness |OT| No, more mutants. (SPOILERS)
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All you need to know going into Dr Strange is:
- Wanda got a tremendous power upgrade and is dealing with it on her own, she isn't an Avenger anymore.
Just saw it. Really enjoyed it.
First film where people said it was "different" for the MCU that I agree with that take. Movie was very creepy in a great way.
It was also very visually striking and (aside from GOTG's vocal soundtrack) the first time I noticed the music in an MCU movie. I'd call it an atmospheric triumph for the MCU, it definitely stands out.
Probably not my favorite overall story but I enjoyed the concepts and setpieces, Elizabeth Olsen ate her villain role up too.
First film where people said it was "different" for the MCU that I agree with that take. Movie was very creepy in a great way.
It was also very visually striking and (aside from GOTG's vocal soundtrack) the first time I noticed the music in an MCU movie. I'd call it an atmospheric triumph for the MCU, it definitely stands out.
Probably not my favorite overall story but I enjoyed the concepts and setpieces, Elizabeth Olsen ate her villain role up too.
She mind-controlled/enslaved a town called Westview to create a fake perfect life and fake kids for herself. By the end, she got hold of a corrupting book full of dark magic and became 'the scarlet witch', -a crazy powerful prophecised being - and was using these new power sources to try and find real versions of her fake kids.
The logic is that Sam Raimi probably wanted the movie to end on the classic Sam Raimi smash cut ending where everything seems okay and then in the final scene everything turns out to be not okay (see also: Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, Army of Darkness, Drag Me to Hell), but Marvel wanted their mid-credits scene to be a direct setup for the next movie and introduce Theron as Clea.
And thus the movie ends on Strange screaming out in pain and an ominous third eye appearing, and then it moves to a mid-credits scene where it is immediately revealed that Strange is totally fine and the third eye is like a level-up or some shit.
It's dumb and one of the most obvious parts where Raimi's sensibilities and Marvel Studios' formula clash.
EDIT: Honestly, the mid-credits scene would've felt much less out of place if it took place directly after the final scene of the movie, with Strange still sitting on the ground going "WTF" at the third eye. The weird decision to have that scene take place (probably) "a few weeks later" makes it feel incredibly off.
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its a really bad TV style edit where they want to move to a different time/place but with the same character. Its nearly always jarring unless you have an establishing shot like the cheesy slow zoom into apartment window
Glad Wong is still around, but he was quite the jobber vs Strange in Infinity War or the Ancient One in the OG movie.
Also Wanda believed the Darkhold was destroyed until Wong told of the original location, risking the multiverse to save a couple of his people.
Also Wanda believed the Darkhold was destroyed until Wong told of the original location, risking the multiverse to save a couple of his people.
I vaguely recall something like this being said by Vision, but...that was just their assumption at the time. Everyone believed that her powers came from the stone because they had no reason to think otherwise.
Why would you think the powers the stone gave her are separate? It's not as if there's some sort of distinction there. Her core abilities have been the same from the start. Fully unlocking the Scarlet Witch has largely just upped the scale of her abilities.
I have a bet Scarlett Witch is still alive, but is rescued by the X-Men, 616 Professor X wipes her mind and keeps the truth from her and she relearns her powers at the academy. Okay that's pretty dumb.
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Some of her power clearly came from the stone. She tells Vision in WandaVision that he is (I believe) "the part of the soul stone that lives inside her."
She was always capable of being a witch, the stone amplified that power (and who's to say that's not always what was supposed to happen to create the "Scarlet Witch").
I don't think 616 X-Men exist until after secret wars.. I feel we're going to get a partial reboot with X-Men in about three years or so? I'm not entirely sure on the timeline of the film's schedule at this point.
We're getting young avengers and dark avengers/thunderbolts set up and fantastic four then it's likely straight into incursions.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Scarlet Witch was sort of a cosmic energy entity, and Wanda just happened to be her host.
Or we're all the prophecies Agatha spoke about specifically talking about Wanda, and they just refer to her as the Scarlet Witch?
Or we're all the prophecies Agatha spoke about specifically talking about Wanda, and they just refer to her as the Scarlet Witch?
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Why? They were in an alternate universe and this movie wasn't the introduction of the X-Men in the MCU.
The MCU will get its own recast Professor X when the film comes out.
I would reccomend at least watching the Wanda and Vision legends episodes on Disney+ or if you don't have that some sort of summary on youtube of what happens.
I really dug how John K brought that family man vibe to Reed. He's a great dad and husband IRL as far as I've seen and did a great job in Quiet Place and brought that to this role.
When she asked about the mother, his sigh and yes was almost like he knew what was going to happen and knew at least they were likely safe from her. And he wasn't going to see them again
When she asked about the mother, his sigh and yes was almost like he knew what was going to happen and knew at least they were likely safe from her. And he wasn't going to see them again
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Yeah, I liked how he played it there. If it is an older Reed in the MCU, I hope it's him.
I truly do. I think QP and some of his work like Jack Ryan prove he can play emotionally cold while focused on work when he needs to as well.
I liked Krasinski here but would definitely prefer a younger Reed to start out in the F4 movies
It was kinda uncanny, he looked exactly like some of the fan-made edits of him in the costume.
I went to pee during the credits, that was Anson Mount as Black Bolt right?
It was kinda uncanny, he looked exactly like some of the fan-made edits of him in the costume.
I went to pee during the credits, that was Anson Mount as Black Bolt right?
Yeah he was great, he should be him. I know he is older but eh, its not like he is terribly old. I think it could work.
You're probably fine, but having seen WandaVision would help with Wanda's character.
We saw it last night, gf is big marvel fan. She loved it, I was just confused. Some cool action sequences I guess, but as a standalone movie from a 'i don't really pay much attention to the back stories in the other ones I've seen' perspective, it was just dull for me. The eye octopus fight was cool tho.
It's like, you're either all-in on the universe, else it's meh.
It's like, you're either all-in on the universe, else it's meh.
This movie is more a Wandavision sequel than it is a Dr. Strange one. They give you enough info to piece things together, but you're losing out on the emotional impact by not watching Wandavision.
Yeah, at this point they aren't holding the audience's hand anymore. When you go into these movies and shows with a few exceptions (like Eternals or Moon Knight) you're pretty much expected to be caught up with all the material up to that point.
Glad theyre doing this now. I was surprised the movie just expects you to have watched WandaVision and didnt do much to catch the audience up, and that let the movie really move at a solid pace from the start
I like how twitchy Wanda gets when they refuse to give her the kid. She views herself as being merciful about it and when no one else seems to think so she's got a kind of "how dare you" twitch on the corners of her mouth
And the intensive stare she's giving when Strange asks what's gonna happen to the other Wanda like she hadn't considered that and is angry that she has to consider that
And the intensive stare she's giving when Strange asks what's gonna happen to the other Wanda like she hadn't considered that and is angry that she has to consider that
I was entertained while watching it. But the more I've sat with it, the film seems fine as a standalone affair. But as another chapter in this grand MCU saga there are glaring cracks that are more and more apparent to me.
I'm really curious about what was cut and or changed due to the reshoots. There are hints of another film in there and I wonder what that film was and if it would have made it more or less coherent. Specifically when it comes to Wanda and her motivations. I heard the other day that Raimi and the screenwriter didn't watch Wanda Vision and if this is true it definitely shows in the final product and is absolutely baffling.
I'm really curious about what was cut and or changed due to the reshoots. There are hints of another film in there and I wonder what that film was and if it would have made it more or less coherent. Specifically when it comes to Wanda and her motivations. I heard the other day that Raimi and the screenwriter didn't watch Wanda Vision and if this is true it definitely shows in the final product and is absolutely baffling.
Olsen has said most of the reshoots didn't involve her, except for ADR work.
I'm kinda shocked that Charlize Theron appearing as Clea didn't leak. That was a huge surprise.
I sure hope the next Strange sequel comes much faster so we can follow up on that, 616 Mordo and Dormammu ASAP
That was just a gag to make it look like something scary was coming down the hall when it was just him looking for America & Christine
I sure hope the next Strange sequel comes much faster so we can follow up on that, 616 Mordo and Dormammu ASAP
That was just a gag to make it look like something scary was coming down the hall when it was just him looking for America & Christine
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Glad to see this post as it's exactly how my wife and I felt - and we walked out about 2/3 through. Some of the dialogue and character decisions were outright laughable. Did not find it to be a good Marvel movie or a good movie on its own. I give Marvel credit for trying something new, but maybe not necessary to fix something that wasn't broken
No way, 2/3 lol! You missed zombie Dr.Strange (he dreamhops to take control of dead strange). It was beyond silly. That's literally the moment I was like "ok I'm done"
I liked the movie but I do think that this was the most 'made-for-MCU-fans-only' movie they've done; with added Raimi-sauce you either like because you like his previous movies or dont care for at all. And it was all way 'too much'.
that was the moment I was like "now this is a fuckin' Doctor Strange movie"
that and the magic music fight were amazing moments. this was one of my favorite MCU third acts in a while.
To be fair I didn't have a problem with the concept, but the make-up/CG looked really fake and the whole thing was leaning too heavily on comedy.
Happy for anyone that liked the movie. It wasn't my cup of tea and that's OK.
Totally agree. Plus the iconic Evil Dead esque hand coming out of the ground. Loved it.
the trailers made me so worried they were doing a marvel zombies thing
what ended up happening was genuinely a nice surprise