If you suddenly found your mouth disappeared you'd probably have a visceral reaction to it as well
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Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness |OT| No, more mutants. (SPOILERS)
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The man never speaks. He's learned to control that impulse, but suddenly he has the compulsion to talk when his mouth is sealed? 🤨If you suddenly found your mouth disappeared you'd probably have a visceral reaction to it as well
Loved the scene from a visceral horror stance, but it makes no sense. Just like Reed throwing fists instead of using his brain.
Yeah have to agree, it was very silly
Can't tell if this is some sort of joke or pun but it's Reed Richards, not Reeds Richard.
Well, according to the leaks, originally he was supposed to be in this movie...
...to be beheaded by Wanda in the first scene.
I mean, he clearly panicked, like most people would if their mouth suddenly disappeared, his reaction is not that unbelievable, really not sure why people have an issue with it. I think most people are overthinking it really.
But seriously, no matter how disciplined he had been about his voice, if he lost his whole mouth it makes sense he'd be so shocked and panicked and involuntarily let out a sound.
Monica is just getting Wanda to stand down. She may not mean what she's saying ? If we're wanting to encourage grey how about interpreting that line as grey also?
He remembers Spider-Man, just not Peter Parker, so him mentioning Spidey makes sense. Now, how he remembers that there was an incident with Spider-Man involving the multiverse, especially since knowledge of who Peter Parker is is central to that entire incident, is unclear but can be chalked up to "writing multiverse/timetravel stories without paradoxes is pretty much impossible".
Watched the movie for a second time today. Kinda want to see at least a Disney+ show of 838 now. I wonder what their future is like now that 5/6 of the Illuminati is dead. Having the leader of the X-Men, the Inhumans, and F4 die at the same time must have giant consequences.
Totally. People don't want black and white yet paint the ending of Wandavision like that too. They don't think Wanda can be evil because she realised what she was doing was bad in WV? So what? All of these things can be true at the same time.
Wanda releases the town by sacrificing her family because its the right thing to do + Wanda still wants her family back if thats possible
The Darkhold clearly is tempting her with that possibility at the end of WV. Start of Strange assuming some time has passed it isn't a big leap to imagine the Darkhold has completely consumed her and she's singularly focused on getting her kids back
I actually laughed out loud at the scene where she slid in in front of the blast doors because it reminded me of the scene in Mulholland Drive with the guy behind the wall.
I'm still shocked by how they did Captain Carter in.
Awesome movie that did not shy away of being gruesome. Visual effects and fights were really imaginative, loved the music fight. Kinda lame America ended up in Wong's school for gifted children. Wish she became a lone multiversal adventurer.
Awesome movie that did not shy away of being gruesome. Visual effects and fights were really imaginative, loved the music fight. Kinda lame America ended up in Wong's school for gifted children. Wish she became a lone multiversal adventurer.
She also dreams every night of her kids only to wake up alone. And through the dark hold she knows that those dreams are actually real
Speaking of Wong's school of gifted children, lol
Now that people are aware wizard exist, I wonder if there's a huge increase of people coming to learn magic, or if they still hide their location.
My partner and I had a really good time with this, even though it is a very messy film which doesn't always quite land. There were audible laughs in my screening (mine included) when Mordo had his line about meeting the Illuminati.
Some random thoughts:
- Xavier's chair is freaking huge!
- Carter's jetpack was very silly.
- I was quite surprised at how violent the film was, even if a lot of it was (more or less) implied violence. I think it's quite telling to compare this to the original Spider-Man, which premiered the 12A rating here in the UK only 20 years ago.
- It's been interesting to follow the discourse about Scarlet Witch's characterisation in this film. I suppose my main issue with it is that (like a lot of the characters) she isn't written deeply enough, but my feeling is that she isn't written thoroughly enough as a villain. I think the movie definitely could have done more itself to emphasise her motivations and behaviour in that regard, but suffers from a lot of MCU media in simply referring to previous media as a shorthand instead. In any case, I find it hard to see how they could redeem her character, which is certainly a shame.
- As was pointed out in another thread, it is a shame that Mordo's storyline from the first Doctor Strange is basically jettisoned, but I guess at some point you do reach a limit in longform storytelling that can't be overcome.
- My partner and I were laughing about America's origin story on the way home. Imagine killing your parents because you were afraid of being stung by a bee!
Some random thoughts:
- Xavier's chair is freaking huge!
- Carter's jetpack was very silly.
- I was quite surprised at how violent the film was, even if a lot of it was (more or less) implied violence. I think it's quite telling to compare this to the original Spider-Man, which premiered the 12A rating here in the UK only 20 years ago.
- It's been interesting to follow the discourse about Scarlet Witch's characterisation in this film. I suppose my main issue with it is that (like a lot of the characters) she isn't written deeply enough, but my feeling is that she isn't written thoroughly enough as a villain. I think the movie definitely could have done more itself to emphasise her motivations and behaviour in that regard, but suffers from a lot of MCU media in simply referring to previous media as a shorthand instead. In any case, I find it hard to see how they could redeem her character, which is certainly a shame.
- As was pointed out in another thread, it is a shame that Mordo's storyline from the first Doctor Strange is basically jettisoned, but I guess at some point you do reach a limit in longform storytelling that can't be overcome.
- My partner and I were laughing about America's origin story on the way home. Imagine killing your parents because you were afraid of being stung by a bee!
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That feels more like shorthand for 'next time you see her she may have powers and abilities she didn't before - Wong taught her how to harness them'
Especially after we see that Wanda sees other realities where she has kids every single night. Even without the darkhold, that's a lot to swallow.
I like how Wong was all "I'm sorcerer supreme" but when Wanda showed up to the fortress he's all "good luck talking to her Strange" haha
Holy shit, I loved the movie and I hope The Officeman is back as Reed. It would be nice if Patrick Stewart got to play Professor X again in something he doesn't die in but he is 81 years old...
Forget master of the mystic arts, Wong is the master of knowing when to hold 'em
and when to fold 'em.
I just finished the movie and I'd say a 7/10 is about right. Special effects were fantastic, and Sam Rami definitely stamped his style on it however, I felt the story beats were off. It wasn't so much on what was happening story wise but how it was being executed. Wanda being the villain to the extent that she was didn't really sit well with me. Obviously after wandavision she realized she had to stop enslaving people as it was wrong and it wasn't going to give her family back in any real sense. So she stumbled across the dark hold and figured she'd be able to travel the multiverse to get to her kids instead since they exist elsewhere, however in the process she's willing to ultimately kill herself, others and kids(American Chavez) just to get them back? I'm not mad she was playing a villainous role, I just think she could have been written better. Still a fun movie none the less as it's visuals alone hold it higher than any other phase 4 movie.
I really enjoyed the movie.
Also, while I don't go out of my way to avoid spoilers I am glad I knew nothing of all these cameos. They were fun.
But puh, there is a lot going on in this movie...
Also, while I don't go out of my way to avoid spoilers I am glad I knew nothing of all these cameos. They were fun.
But puh, there is a lot going on in this movie...
Is it just me who think that both Steve and Clint could have done more to support Wanda? It feels like they boosted her up and just left her. When she got into her troubles they were nowhere to be seen. Or, am I the only one who see them as partly responsible for her? (Wasn't it them who kind of recruited a radicalised youth into the Avengers?)
Bro he just realized what he is facing, it's sheer terror. Forget rationality when absolute nightmare happens.
No.... It was not ...
It's horrifying and he panicked and made the slightest sound (or the whole head would have imploded).
Of the all the dumb things to call out this isn't it.
That's your opinion and you are of course welcome to have one. I stand by what I said
Got some real shitty supervisor vibes from that scene..dwl.
Wong is the best and needs a D+ show
It's not an opinion.
Fear is known to cause lapse of judgement and impairs decision making which can lead to irrational behavior.
While everyone experiences different degrees of that, a slight whisper being the result of horrifying shock is, in fact... not stilly. It makes perfect sense.
That's Rintrah - prominent supporting Strange character from the 80s/90s. Alien minotaur guy, becomes his apprentice.
I'm kind of assuming a couple scenes with him ended up on the cutting room floor, because he's weirdly prominent (and probably very expensive) for what amounts to an extra with a couple lines.
I understand the fear of someone losing their mouth and the ability the speak. Black Bolt is someone who doesn't talk, at all. So I think it was silly for him to react like that, especially when he doesn't ever speak anyway (unless in a fight).
I disagree about it making sense, it doesn't to me and most people I know personally who had the same opinion. We can agree to disagree
I wish I loved this movie as much as so many in this thread did, and I think that all falls on me as my expectations were ridiculously high.
Not that it matters but this was my overall thoughts I had to share with a friend just now as they were shocked I did not love it...
The combo of MCU and Raimi was just not the bat shit crazy I thought it would be. There are no doubt a few scenes / sequences where I thought to myself THIS is what I expected.
Dr Strange is literally just the perfect character to push the envelope with to get both scary and crazy, and I feel like said make believe envelope was just poked instead of pushed.
Make no mistake, I definitely liked it. I just did not love it as I thought I would. It felt pretty safe to me.
I fully admit my expectations may have just been way too high and once I watch it again I will appreciate the fact it does what it does instead of what I thought it would do.
Not that it matters but this was my overall thoughts I had to share with a friend just now as they were shocked I did not love it...
The combo of MCU and Raimi was just not the bat shit crazy I thought it would be. There are no doubt a few scenes / sequences where I thought to myself THIS is what I expected.
Dr Strange is literally just the perfect character to push the envelope with to get both scary and crazy, and I feel like said make believe envelope was just poked instead of pushed.
Make no mistake, I definitely liked it. I just did not love it as I thought I would. It felt pretty safe to me.
I fully admit my expectations may have just been way too high and once I watch it again I will appreciate the fact it does what it does instead of what I thought it would do.
I really liked this. I went in with expectations of it being a much different movie, and was pleasantly surprised how simple it was. I'm glad they didn't have a bunch of separate villains or tons of Stranges/Wandas. I was kind of hoping we'd see maybe one or two more universes but for only being 2 hours, I can't complain.
I wasn't expecting it to lean so far into the horror visuals as it did, I was really expecting them to not let Sam Raimi be himself but his style is so built into this. Things like Wanda pulling people through puddles from the mirror dimension or everything with her vs the illuminati were perfectly done. Everything in the final act with zombie Strange left me itching to watch Army of Darkness again.
My fiancee said this is probably her favorite MCU movie now and it's definitely up there for me, maybe in my top 5. It just felt so much more fresh than something like Spider-Man NWH.
I wasn't expecting it to lean so far into the horror visuals as it did, I was really expecting them to not let Sam Raimi be himself but his style is so built into this. Things like Wanda pulling people through puddles from the mirror dimension or everything with her vs the illuminati were perfectly done. Everything in the final act with zombie Strange left me itching to watch Army of Darkness again.
My fiancee said this is probably her favorite MCU movie now and it's definitely up there for me, maybe in my top 5. It just felt so much more fresh than something like Spider-Man NWH.
Notice that BB's fork was already shining when Reed was explaining to Wanda.
So BB already used his voice but Wanda closed his mouth.
I just don't understand how his whisper or sound hurts him at that moment. It doesn't hurt him any other time as sound bounces around in his head like when he makes any sound, he still has teeth, his throat isn't destroyed, any sound he made without opening his mouth should do the same, etc. It was just a cool visual that doesn't make sense but it's cool.
It's easier just to say Wanda did it haha.
This would mean if he hummed, he would blow his head up lol
You reckon he shoudve let her escape after she killed so many people?
Not necessarily escape trouble, escape the mountain collapsing. He should've offered her some help that she clearly needs. I think she would've taken that help especially after the Darkholds have been destroyed and she no longer wants to kill America.
Ahh I see.
In any case though, I think she's definitely coming back. I dont think they'll give a character we've followed for so long such an unceremonious exit.
Scarlett Witch absorbed/destroyed her power right before that.
I've seen it twice now, and while recency bias is definitely a thing, I feel pretty confident in saying that this is one of my favorite MCU movies. Such a fun ride and Raimi was the perfect person for the job - I hope he's back for the sequel. Confused by some of the critiques calling it messy as I found it pretty straightforward despite worrying that it would be overstuffed and convoluted.
I agree with you, that would've been a nice touch if he repeated Xavier's line to her before she chooses to destroy the Darkhold and Wundagore.
I agree with you, that would've been a nice touch if he repeated Xavier's line to her before she chooses to destroy the Darkhold and Wundagore.