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Do you think the US democrats should attempt to impeach Trump based on the Mueller report?
- Thread starter Menelaus
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Or maybe we need a second poll to ask those voting if they would be complaining when the Democratic base becomes so disillusioned with ineffective leadership they decide to sit out the 2020 election.
Stop pretending like you know how things will play out.
Keep in mind, Republicans probably would have tried to start impeachment hearings on Hillary over Benghazi/emails/whatever on her first day in office.
Let the history books show this fucker being impeached. He's not fit for office and clearly doesn't respect our laws.
Fair point. I don't know what I would do if Trump started celebrating unearned victories. Could you imagine?
I'm still not convinced it could even get a simple majority in the House. It seems some Dems are against it, for whatever reason.
Hypothetically, if it couldn't even get through the House, that would be a massive win for Trump.
Hypothetically, if it couldn't even get through the House, that would be a massive win for Trump.
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This is going to put the findings of the Mueller Report front and center. "Total exoneration" doesn't work when it's Congress deciding. Republicans will actually be forced to play defense on TV.
Right now there is no good defense for his actions. Trump wasn't forced to act like this. He ignored tons of legal and political advice. Make the Republicans explain why this is okay. They can push back and say it's partisan but that only gets you so far.
Given what happened with Hillary and HER EMAILS, I seriously can't understand why people think that the narrative of Senate Republicans not removing Trump when there is blatant evidence of wrong doing would be exoneration. It will be that corrupt Republicans protected an obviously guilty man. Democrats need to use the hate of the Govt built by Republicans against them.
"The democrats these socialists, they are so incompetent let me tell you, they wouldn't even impeach me!"
Someone who's funnier reword this into a possible trump speach
Someone who's funnier reword this into a possible trump speach
I just don't think you're taking the mentality of his followers into account. Perhaps you're right that the ever elusive moderate will be swayed by such a display, but the Trump base is akin to a cult- adversity only makes their faith grow stronger. Again I'M not saying it's a witch hunt. But he will, and has, and largely it has worked.
Again, I agree. I would rather see them do it than not, which I want to emphasize that the current position of the Democratic leadership is to not do it. I'm a leftist but I live amongst these people. They're very susceptible to this messaging of victimhood. They crave it.
So again, let's do it, but let's make sure we can get him.
Yep the obstruction of Justice parts of this cannot be hand waved away as ignorant. In the filing he was warned under penalty of resignation they would not do illegal activity for him and even told him it was illegal and he kept trying to do it. The republicans tried to get Hilary Clinton thrown in Jail with mere accusation of potential misconduct because Bill Clinton (not Hilary Clinton) talked to Loretta Lynch on the tarmac and no one other then those two knew exactly what was said. They were willing to impeach on if she won that alone. What Trump did with irrefutable knowledge was like a million times worse, and he is still fucking doing it while in office which is another reason he needs to have his ass held to the fire. Get the messaging in a row but he absolutely 100% needs to be impeached at this point, conviction isn't the entire reason not to. Truth, accountability and moving forward is reason we need to do this, fuck what the republican senate has to say on this. They can vote to not convict if they dare, but it will be on them when history calls.
We know how things will play out. This isnt the first issue that became completely politicized and a turn off to relevant voters.
The twitter base isnt going to swing any election and if they're actually stupid enough to sit out an election because they will only accept impeachment, instead of continuing to stick with the strategy that is currently trouncing republicans, then they're certainly not worth listening to.
Dont talk about ineffective leadership while cheering on a garaunteed failure of an impeachment campaign. Play political games when you have the power to withstand it. Right now there are people in this country who cant afford a laser focus appeal to a fraction of voters in states we'll win regardless.
Can you imagine if the roles were switched and this report was on Obama. The Republicans would utilize every ounce of power they have in the House to try to take Obama down.
I just wrote my Congressman and told them that I expect him to uphold his Constitutional duty, I suggest you all do the same https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
You're making claims you can't back up. Trump's image as corrupt is majority public opinion and set in stone already. Shining a light on his corruption is probably good politics for that reason alone. Backing off criminality is the most discouraging, cowardly thing leadership could do to demoralize our base. Plus the precedent it sets — criminal presidents are above the law — is insane. You'd be giving Trump full approval to commit more crimes, foreign powers to steal our future elections, and future republican presidents to commit crimes. Sometimes you have to do the right thing even when you don't know the outcome. That does take some courage. But look at it this way: you only have to be as courageous as Trey Gowdy was when he first heard Hillary had a private email server.
Democrats can both impeach Trump and campaign on issues like healthcare, though.
Impeachment for the things outlined in the Mueller report would not be a "political game", either, but the proper way to hold the President accountable for the things he has done. In fact it's really the only Constitutional way we have to handle such a situation and it's what Mueller himself is suggesting should be the route to action.
People didn't vote Democrats into the House to sit on their hands in the face of blatant corruption and criminal action.
What else are you going to do? You aren't passing laws with the Senate blocked, just keep toothlessly berating the Trump admin?
yes, of course. it doesn't matter if his republican cronies in the senate vote against it, getting impeached is a rare and serious event.
Hoyer isn't the House and the decision is not solely up to him.
The cynic in me thinks Dems like Hoyer would rather squeeze this for brownie points ("grrr we hate Trump! Don't you hate Trump? We do! Vote for us please!") than to stick their necks out and get in on the line of scrimmage. The promise/threat to hold Trump accountable is more "electable" than actually holding him accountable.
No. Waste of time and money cause a GOP senate won't hear of it. It will also probably work in favour of Trump's "witch hunt" argument.
He's a bigger coward though. He won't stay and face the music if the GOP starts to bend. I think Muller would need come out and say that Trump needs to be impeached for that to happen. That's also the only way The Dems will move to impeach.
Not really.
I feel like the odds are too stacked against them and in general reps on both sides are too
corrupt and self-serving to actually hold him accountable.
What really should happen at this point is for the country to come together and hold peaceful protests to
shut the country down and force him to step down while the remaining investigations were done without any obstruction from him and his cronies.
Similar to what happened to Park in South Korea over what looked like a damn Jay walking ticket compared to the allegations and investigations we are seeing coming to light here.
Unfortunately, America is a broken society that can't even seem to come to a consensus that Trump is a fucking dumbshit so that will never happen at this point.
I am a hypocritical ex-pat who lives overseas though, so less skin in the game than most citizens.
I feel like the odds are too stacked against them and in general reps on both sides are too
corrupt and self-serving to actually hold him accountable.
What really should happen at this point is for the country to come together and hold peaceful protests to
shut the country down and force him to step down while the remaining investigations were done without any obstruction from him and his cronies.
Similar to what happened to Park in South Korea over what looked like a damn Jay walking ticket compared to the allegations and investigations we are seeing coming to light here.
Unfortunately, America is a broken society that can't even seem to come to a consensus that Trump is a fucking dumbshit so that will never happen at this point.
I am a hypocritical ex-pat who lives overseas though, so less skin in the game than most citizens.
Before today, I was on the side of no, but the report is infuriating. If the Dems doing their duty hurts them enough in 2020 that they lose, then a fart in the wrong direction could make them lose. It might even help them to show that they're not fucking around.
They have to, even if it'll be shut by the senate.
It'll be symbolic and show that there is a semblance of unity, principle and/or spine within the democrat party.
It'll be symbolic and show that there is a semblance of unity, principle and/or spine within the democrat party.
I'm starting to come around to "fuck it, just do it and see what happens." Trying to predict the machinations of whether or not it will be politically effective come 2020 elections just isn't reliable. Too many factors make it unpredictable.
If its going to happen it will take some time for it to materialize every dem needs to be on the same page and that takes time to coordinate.
What separates "wait for more" from just the standard "no"?
If it's "no, but might as well keep investigating and maybe change course if something huge comes up", I don't know who would pick "no" instead.
If it's "no, because there's only one shot at impeachment and I believe everything will change with more investigation" I have to wonder where people think the bar is right now, and what in the world they think will surpass it.
If it's "no, but might as well keep investigating and maybe change course if something huge comes up", I don't know who would pick "no" instead.
If it's "no, because there's only one shot at impeachment and I believe everything will change with more investigation" I have to wonder where people think the bar is right now, and what in the world they think will surpass it.
As long as 34 Republicans are loyal to Trump it will never happen.
Get rid of him at ballot box, then make his life hell as an ex-president.
Get rid of him at ballot box, then make his life hell as an ex-president.
Trump is a criminal, and he definitely obstructed justice. Does impeachment make sense? I dunno. But i would love for the Democrats to grow a spine and start being a real opposition party instead of spending so much time attacking their own
Impeachment is the first baby step they should take. I would have no qualms about going full fucking Bastille on this whole administration. Our government is a joke.
If they want to hand 2020 to Trump, go for it.
If they want to actually win stop pouting about being "right" and compete with your ideas to win elections. If that means having to water down the agenda then that's better than 20 more years of the Trump party.
I'd rather slow reasonable progress than just going backwards full stop. Impeachment isn't happening and is a waste of time.
If they want to actually win stop pouting about being "right" and compete with your ideas to win elections. If that means having to water down the agenda then that's better than 20 more years of the Trump party.
I'd rather slow reasonable progress than just going backwards full stop. Impeachment isn't happening and is a waste of time.
What does the House filing for impeachment do? The public doesn't support it and the senate won't do a trial.
Focus on congressional investigations into the bonanza of bullshit going on with this administration.
Focus on congressional investigations into the bonanza of bullshit going on with this administration.
Slow progress loses voters. How can anything except radical change win an election these days!?