I got so upset that I voiced my disagreement with your suggestion using an example and a few explanations
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Do you Think Next Generation Fighting Games Should be 120fps?
- Thread starter T002 Tyrant
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Another thing about Tekken 7 running at 90FPS is that it completely smooths out frametimes and hits. 11.1ms without budging at all. But I think there's something I need to do with the smoothframerate option. But I don't think my skillset can take me any further. It would be cool if someone who knew about Unreal 4 could take a crack at this. But at least the game still runs at the same speed.
60FPS Frametime
90FPS Frametime
No...That's not how that works.
60FPS Frametime
90FPS Frametime
No...That's not how that works.
It's always good for a laugh. The people that dont understand much about the genre and barely even play it are always the ones throwing out the funniest assertions.
The game you are asking for is literally gang beasts. Unpredictability in any competitive setting is hated by players. Theres a reason Smash tourneys run no items.
Like others have said, very calmly in fact, fgs have allowed you to beat people through various ways be it conditioning, movement or creativity within the game's rules. It's rarely ever only about memorizing button strings that your opponent hasn't. And if they havent that's on them to learn.
Besides, in your hypothetical semi physics based game, humans would inevitably find the most optimal/predictable playstyle. And then you run right back into your initial problem, only it's probably worse since the game's rules are dictated by physics and has less room for creativity.
What I don't understand is why people can't understand that you can still have frame specific timing at 120FPS. The only issue is that the hardware basline right now is 60hz for people.
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Forcing people to spend an extra couple hundreds of dollars to stand a chance in a fighting game splits the user base is a super shitty and anti consumer thing to do, but feel free to wave that capitalism flag.
Idk I just thought of sprites and drawn animation, so more frames meant you had to draw all those extra frames
but....
....I am mistaken in my thinking
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That's your interpretation on what I said? That I'm waving the capitalist flag? Hmmm okay. Way to gaslight I suppose.
I think that they basically set the important frames of the animation and the movement between them is handled by the animation system, the skeleton and physics. Essentially interpolating the movement between those points.
Most modern 3d fighting game uses standard interpolated animation with keyframes in it. I think only Arcsys games really work like 2d games
Given the netcode propensities of Japanese devs I don't think they could ensure online play that runs well at 120hz
As an optional mode with lesser visuals, why not. But all games should target 60fps, as that will be the maximum most people's TVs can handle for quite a few years to come. Having a game running at 120fps but only displaying at 60Hz would be like wasting half the console's performance.
Games should be built for scalability.
Let console players choose between 4k60 or 1440p 120, and let PC players play at whatever framerate they choose. 60fps is more than enough, but being able to play at 120hz on a more powerful platform is smart game development, and would make your game feel amazing.
Let console players choose between 4k60 or 1440p 120, and let PC players play at whatever framerate they choose. 60fps is more than enough, but being able to play at 120hz on a more powerful platform is smart game development, and would make your game feel amazing.
Sorry. I wasn't trying to be snarky. Sprite based and the newer ASW titles don't update their animation for every frame per second.
I'm about to check this out.
I agree with this statement quite a lot.
Like, I thought Fantasy Strike was really onto something by stripping away all the button-inputs and split-second combo timings, and instead relying on positioning and head-games. But it hasn't started a trend, and fighting games continue to be near-impenetrable for filthy casuals like myself.
Granblue just came out and Smash has been doing that all along. There's plenty of big budget options if you don't want to learn quarter circle forward
Just tried running the game uncapped and it totally speeds the game up. The weird thing is that it also can't go above 90FPS like Tekken 7. But unlike Tekken 7, the game is broken at 90FPS. I had to revert to 60FPS just to get the game to load the character select screen.
120fps isn't a hurdle, it's an option. The overwhelming majority of people buying fighting games are not intensely competitive by any means. They literally won't care about any of this.
Anime fighters and Smash would benefit more from 120 than something slower like Tekken or Street Fighter, IMO. They're faster and there are a lot more projectiles to track.
I was sort of let down by the visual side of most non-WB fighters this gen. Hard to say how much of that is because of hardware limitations or because of budget (including budget that could have been spent optimizing), but at the moment I'd prefer to see the visual front pushed a bit more vs going above and beyond the fps standard.
It would be cool and feel great, but I imagine a big part of the appeal of fighting games to the more casual audience lies in flashy visuals, and rendering at double the framerate would undermine that. And for the more competitive audience that might be interested in an option that sacrifices visuals for more responsive input and greater motion resolution, they might be inclined to standardize on the lowest common denominator for practical or competitive reasons. Not sure.
So overall I'm skeptical that it would be worthwhile for the developer.
So overall I'm skeptical that it would be worthwhile for the developer.
Don't tell me you seriously tried to run MvC Infinite at 120fps based off an obvious joke post.
So which are we asking? The thread title is about fighting games, the poll (and some of these responses) seems to be about games in general.
FG: sure, I guess, but probably only the actual response and how the game interprets movements. The actual move fame times need to stick to 60 util 120hz is a standard across everything it would play on.
Everything else: why not?
FG: sure, I guess, but probably only the actual response and how the game interprets movements. The actual move fame times need to stick to 60 util 120hz is a standard across everything it would play on.
Everything else: why not?
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With the option to chose any fraction of 60 fps you want like 60, 120, 180, 240, 300, 360, 420, 480. All the way up to at least 960fps. Fractions mean frame data ratios stay the same, to reduce complaining. EG a ten frame jab will be a twenty frame jab at 120, but you can still call it a ten and people will get you.
The game should be able to dynamically adjust based on your opponent. If they're 60, you're 60. If both of you are 120, then its 120. Especially if netcode continues to suck ass.
Lets move on from 1993, please and thank you.
With the option to chose any fraction of 60 fps you want like 60, 120, 180, 240, 300, 360, 420, 480. All the way up to at least 960fps. Fractions mean frame data ratios stay the same, to reduce complaining. EG a ten frame jab will be a twenty frame jab at 120, but you can still call it a ten and people will get you.
The game should be able to dynamically adjust based on your opponent. If they're 60, you're 60. If both of you are 120, then its 120. Especially if netcode continues to suck ass.
Lets move on from 1993, please and thank you.
Pretty much every game ever works like that. Swinging Link's sword in Zelda works like that. You have startup frames, active frames, recovery frames and hitboxes too because in the end these things are just time (frames) and space (hitboxes, collisions etc).
They most likely would not.
No?
Indeed. There's no reason the number of keyframes would increase. There's no reason to make this correlation when you have fighting games made by ArcSys animated on average at a much lower number compared to their 60fps framerate.
Oh sorry I confused you for the person that started this conversation.
It worked for TEKKEN 7. I figured I'd try it out on MVC:I. I didn't know it was a sarcastic post. But I did learn how to bypass framerate locks on both games by utilizing tools to unlock the console for Unreal 4 titles. So it worked out for me.
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