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Do you think Naughty Dog will deliver comparable AI and animation quality in the retail build of The Last of Us Part II?
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Uncharted 4 wasn't like the teaser but if you compare the E3 presentation with the final game, they actually did an upgrade.
At 10 minutes 49 seconds into the video.
Edit: And I have seen that combat animation video, I've also seen a more comprehensive one. The wall slam and desk smash animations exist in the game but I've never seen them connected by a transitional animation of dragging an enemy from the wall to the desk.
I felt they handled Uncharted 4 demos really well after realising they were overreaching with the 60fps teaser. The first gameplay reveal at PSX looks noticably worse than the final game for example.
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Thanks, just saw the video. I have seen Joel being grabbed from behind/neck but I don't recall this happening from a covering position.
It'll be like AC Odyessy, you make some moves but once in awhile the system takes over showing a sweet move, I'm okay with that. AC fooled me for awhile,thinking I pulled off these moves, but dying and replaying them showed they were scripted, but covered up well on first play.
Imo, this is the most questionable part of the demo. Simply because this scene lead directly to cutscene where he talk back to Ellie, Ellie kill him with rotating camera leading directly back to the kiss scene. Make it more like part of story cutscene rather than part of gameplay demo. Everything else, I believe ND could do it.animation quality and attention to detail and gore probably yes, not sure about the perfect pixar quality blending tho.
advanced IA? nah
they can still use the weak excuse that an advanced IA is not fun to battle against even when one of the selling point of their reveal gameplay is indeed the advanced IA (same story as tlou1)
yeah i'm a bit harsh but after tlou they don't have my complete trust about IA...
also, how can you make a topic about the incredible features of tlou2 without the most impressive gif by far
this guy is more realistic than kratos and he is a fucking regular enemy...
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Yeah, this type of coordination in close proximity just seems so far off. Imagine if ND manages to develop similar AI behaviour for the final build.
The UC4 reveal was an in-engine cutscene though.
I think we're talking about gameplay delivery here.
Yes, but the majority of play throughs will not look like that.
I also expect the colour tone and other effects to change like it did with UC4
I also expect the colour tone and other effects to change like it did with UC4
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Teaser was in-engine but it wasn't running real-time on a single PS4. It was a target render.
You ignoring them seems like a more sensible solution
This is funny. XD
That being said, I trust ND to deliver. They did deliver magic before.
This.
How long are we going to hold on to that 60fps Uncharted demo? They showed UC4 more times after that reveal, and with long demos.
If you wanna compare reveals then compare TLOU part II's initial reveal to the final game.
It will 100% look like that, or better, on the retail copy.
of the PS5 version :\
I think the vertical slice is heavily scripted and a lot of it will be largely pared back on the release build. The game will still be something special regardless.
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Honestly, the TLOU2 combat we've seen so far looks just too good be true.
Example:
https://s2.gifyu.com/images/GIF-35a1a2cd2a8616c75.gif
I have no idea how they you can perform these "mini dodges" on a PS4 controller. The camera turns away from the melee attacker and Ellie does a "mini dodge", bending slightly backwards, to avoid the first arrow. Plus another "mini dodge" while she's charging at the archer. Whole gif doesn't feel like actual gameplay too me.
Regarding Ellie's melee attacks, they look more like finisher moves in apex than free flowing melee combat.
IMO NaughtyDog are great and I believe that TLOU2 will be amazing, but I call BULLSHOT on the E3 footage.
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What I don't expect will be in the final product:
- the finely tuned cinematic camera angles that snap perfectly in place to maximise the effect of Ellie being thrown around over the furniture
- the way the enemy reacted and lingered at the end for the final blow when Ellie repeatedly shot him with the arrows
- the illusion that the game will have a lot of dynamism for how collision interacts with furniture/etc in the game. I expect those stuff to be rather limited (only for specific locations/furniture/collision object type have specific animation prompts ) or more simplistic like how most AAA games have breakable objects that literally explode into pieces upon the slightest collision.
Everything else I think it'll be there.
- the finely tuned cinematic camera angles that snap perfectly in place to maximise the effect of Ellie being thrown around over the furniture
- the way the enemy reacted and lingered at the end for the final blow when Ellie repeatedly shot him with the arrows
- the illusion that the game will have a lot of dynamism for how collision interacts with furniture/etc in the game. I expect those stuff to be rather limited (only for specific locations/furniture/collision object type have specific animation prompts ) or more simplistic like how most AAA games have breakable objects that literally explode into pieces upon the slightest collision.
Everything else I think it'll be there.
It will not look like the demo we've seen because that's heavily staged and scripted to show off everything of the game. But I absolutely believe the visual quality, animation, and the AI will be of a similar level of quality. Sony's output this generation has generally been fantastic at matching or even exceeding the detail seen in their preview demos. (60fps claims notwithstanding)
That's highly debatable. Still a great game, but that trailer was bullshit.
Staged, not scripted. The final product will look very similar in terms of AI and animations to what they shown. Its NaughtyDog.
I am extremely skeptical. That demo in particular feels very meticulous handcrafted with the way Ellie seems to lightly dodge things and how NPCs bump into furniture and the very specific facial expressions and kill animations...
If it's legit though... good God...
If it's legit though... good God...
Of course it won't but we have no reason to doubt the animation work would be on par. Motion matching seems to be the number one thing they're pushing with the game.
Ehhh......I don't know
Even If it doesn't the ND fans will just pretend like it's the best looking game ever and accuse people of being ungrateful for calling out the downgrade.
ND fans during E3: ''Oh my god this is the most insane graphix and animations I've seen in a video game! Naught GODS! This is next gen!!!''
ND fans after retail: ''You guys are fucking unbelievable, this is literally the best game ever made and y'all are complaining about the downgrades?''
Yeah...I'd rather be surprised than disappointed.
Even If it doesn't the ND fans will just pretend like it's the best looking game ever and accuse people of being ungrateful for calling out the downgrade.
ND fans during E3: ''Oh my god this is the most insane graphix and animations I've seen in a video game! Naught GODS! This is next gen!!!''
ND fans after retail: ''You guys are fucking unbelievable, this is literally the best game ever made and y'all are complaining about the downgrades?''
Yeah...I'd rather be surprised than disappointed.
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Elements of the animation are so artificial and gamey as to lend the showing credibility. That third .gif in particular - take note of the way the woman's arrows all burst out of her quiver at once, and how Ellie sheathes her machete (without looking, I might add!) in one perfectly fluid motion, like she's Ryu Hayabusa.
This is correct. Lot of stuff is pared down for the sake of fun. Lot of technically good things don't make sense in a game environment. A good example is RDR, the level of realism there sometimes make the gave unresponsive and tedious. Devs have to strike a balance between them.
The Lost Legacy didn't even upgraded in terms of Nadine's AI stealth.
She's just like Ellie; invincible to enemies' eyes.
While we still don't know Part II would also have partner AI or not, but I hope ND could do more realistically rather than immersion breaking.
She's just like Ellie; invincible to enemies' eyes.
While we still don't know Part II would also have partner AI or not, but I hope ND could do more realistically rather than immersion breaking.
why? Sounds like a perfect location for scripted AI. And scripting doesn't mean it isn't AI. Player is in a room, you send the enemies in through the door, trigger some 'tactical' hand wavy nonsense and you get the same effect. Pretty sure I've seen similar in many games.
AI is something they actually had to tone down from TLOU so I'm sure they'll tune based on gameplay but they have the ability to have very smart enemies.
Animation-wise, the reactions/motion matching is the big thing (axe guy reaction). I'm sure they showed it in its best light - triggering the reaction at the best moment. So some situations it might not be as smooth but it'll be there. Other stuff seems like a natural evolution of the contextual animations they had in TLOU - you attack/push against a window/ledge/table and it'll trigger a contextual head smash etc.
While it looks a bit odd, I don't want a character I'm not controlling to fuck things up for me. I prefer gameplay to take precedence over realism in that situation
I could imagine if Ellie was kinda like Ashley...
More simplified: Joel could give her orders to hide, follow, lay down, & at the same time she could also still throwing bricks whatnot.