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Do you think Knights of the Old Republic Remake might cross 10mi units sold in its first year?
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I doubt it, and the original is one of my all time favourites.
Even with a more accessible combat system this is still a remake of a classic RPG, which will be an inherent barrier to entry for many.
I don't think John Drake doing a console-exclusive deal specifically to keep it off Xbox is going to help the reception at launch, either.
Ultimately it depends on just how new and grandiose this feels. Their recent hiring spree implies that it's going to be a lavish production, so if it can blow people away and offer an unparalleled Star Wars experience with next-gen fidelity, then it may have a shot.
I can't help but wish that they did anything other than an original remake though. That game is so good, and relies heavily on the story pay-off which you cannot repeat. They've got a sequel which launched in an unfinished state which would've been a far more interesting remake, or hell just give people the third game that they've (WE'VE) been asking for for decades.
Even with a more accessible combat system this is still a remake of a classic RPG, which will be an inherent barrier to entry for many.
I don't think John Drake doing a console-exclusive deal specifically to keep it off Xbox is going to help the reception at launch, either.
Ultimately it depends on just how new and grandiose this feels. Their recent hiring spree implies that it's going to be a lavish production, so if it can blow people away and offer an unparalleled Star Wars experience with next-gen fidelity, then it may have a shot.
I can't help but wish that they did anything other than an original remake though. That game is so good, and relies heavily on the story pay-off which you cannot repeat. They've got a sequel which launched in an unfinished state which would've been a far more interesting remake, or hell just give people the third game that they've (WE'VE) been asking for for decades.
I imagine alot of the original fans who would buy a remake might not have the right system, that said new fans might make up the difference. That that said, I don't think star wars is that big right now tbh and an RPG with as deep systems as Kotor will not appeal to a large audience.
If the devs nerf the RPG systems to appeal to a very broad audience it won't be worth buying anyways imo. I'd say 4 to 6 million based On Star wars name alone but not much of any more than that.
If the devs nerf the RPG systems to appeal to a very broad audience it won't be worth buying anyways imo. I'd say 4 to 6 million based On Star wars name alone but not much of any more than that.
I think he meant the xbox platform is being excluded from launch
As someone who loves the game and have played through the game multiple times, 10 millions unit sold in the first year is a pretty high bar. I won't say it is impossible, but without knowing anything about the game at this point or the kind of marketing campaign it might get, it is hard to say what the odds of selling over 10 million units is.
There's a cross-section here of several fanbases here; Star Wars more generally of course, but I think KOTOR holds more of a cache with what I can only call "WRPG Boomers" (not meant as a derogatory thing here, mind), so while one might assume "Big Star Wars Game" to do well, "KOTOR Remake", especially if it is even halfway similar to original KOTOR, doesn't seem likely to blow the doors off sales-wise.
Final Fantasy 7, arguably the most well-known and reaching rpg ever, sold about 15M counting the remake.
The Witcher 3 sold…17M? Between 4 platforms.
There is no way in hell a ps exclusive remade rpg sells over 3M in its first year.
The Witcher 3 sold…17M? Between 4 platforms.
There is no way in hell a ps exclusive remade rpg sells over 3M in its first year.
I first said 6-8M but then remembered how well Respawn's game sold in less than six months:
venturebeat.com
I'll say yes it can easily but it's also dependent on the quality of the game. If it's amazing then the IP + word of mouth will recreate what Respawn did.
Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order tops 10 million copies sold
Electronic Arts said that Respawn Entertainment's Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order has sold more than10 million copies since it debuted last fall.
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I'll say yes it can easily but it's also dependent on the quality of the game. If it's amazing then the IP + word of mouth will recreate what Respawn did.
Nah. Not in the first year, it'll be exclusive for one thing, but it would be debatable if it hits that lifetime sales depending on whether it plays more action or more like the original.
It'll be a big hit but you have the problem of engaging players who don't fondly remember the IP (KOTOR, not Star Wars obviously).
It'll be a big hit but you have the problem of engaging players who don't fondly remember the IP (KOTOR, not Star Wars obviously).
I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt at 4-6 million in the first year. If they time it right with the announcement/premiere of some sweet Star Wars shit, and don't 100% screw it up I could see it selling pretty well. That last bit is the problem though...we don't know anything other than that Aspyr is involved and they don't exactly have a large body of work to glean info from. Not saying it's doomed to be bad or anything of the sort, just that I remain cautiously optimistic. Far more optimistic than if EA were involved at all.
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As I mentioned, I believe we can make some good guesses. And the chances of it being a hardcore, turn based RPG is null. First because that's not what the original was, it was already a very simplified take on that, which is clearly visible when you compare it with Baldur's Gate 2. KoTOR was closer to a cinematic RPG than a classic cRPG. Second because I don't think anyone would invest more than $70mi to make a game which doesn't have mass appeal. I guess Larian might, but they are a very unique developer. The question is not if it's going to be action focused, it's how much it will be action focused.
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I wonder if the question was: Can a Star Wars open-world(ish) cinematic RPG sell 10 mi units in its first year the answers would be different.
I had no idea JFO sold that much. If it reviews well and has good WOM it will sell really well. If it is memed and ridiculed like say GTA Remastered or Anthem it'll sell poorly.
Its not like GOTG where a good game can slip through the cracks, no matter what KOTOR is gonna have a TON of eyes and buzz about it. So hopefully they wait until its fully polished, they only get 1 shot.
Its not like GOTG where a good game can slip through the cracks, no matter what KOTOR is gonna have a TON of eyes and buzz about it. So hopefully they wait until its fully polished, they only get 1 shot.
It will sell between 1M - 10M units, that's my educated guess. Facetiousness aside, there is nothing to analyze to generate an informed opinion, as there is literally nothing to analyze yet aside from the confirmed launch platforms.
Faithfulness vs. modernization balance. Overall quality. Aesthetics/art direction. Previews/reviews. Marketing. Release timing. Too many variables.
Faithfulness vs. modernization balance. Overall quality. Aesthetics/art direction. Previews/reviews. Marketing. Release timing. Too many variables.
The developer doesn't inspire any confidence at all and the fact it is PS5 only on the console front (at least to start) is going to hurt it. I think it will depend on quality and how aggressive they are with deals. Playstation games in general don't usually sell huge numbers until they're heavily discounted so the heavy lifting will be required by PC if the price doesn't drop significantly in relatively short order.
How much did fallen order sell?
edit: wait hold on people are tripping, fallen order sold 10 million in like 5 months 😂
https://venturebeat.com/2020/05/05/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-tops-10-million-copies-sold/
edit: wait hold on people are tripping, fallen order sold 10 million in like 5 months 😂
https://venturebeat.com/2020/05/05/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-tops-10-million-copies-sold/
I first said 6-8M but then remembered how well Respawn's game sold in less than six months:
Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order tops 10 million copies sold
Electronic Arts said that Respawn Entertainment's Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order has sold more than10 million copies since it debuted last fall.
I'll say yes it can easily but it's also dependent on the quality of the game. If it's amazing then the IP + word of mouth will recreate what Respawn did.
I don't think that's a very good example to compare to, tbh.
Jedi: Fallen Order sold 8 million copies it's first 2 months on the market. Nov/Dec 2019.
This is primarily due to being released during the hyped release (and media blitz) of the end of the Skywalker Saga in theaters.
It also released on consoles with 10 -12 times the userbase size of the ps5. It was also a much more casual friendly game.
I don't think KOTOR remake will even hit 10 million lifetime
I mean yes, this. We don't know what it looks like, plays like, costs, releases, nothing. But people all over this like 'nah'. To be fair, no one can say yes either.
Sorry, but we need to know more than 'this exists someday'.
The fact the majority of people are saying it won't makes me think it will.
I'm getting "Smash Ultimate won't even sell 15 million" vibes from this thread.
Of course this is assuming the game is good, if it's bad of course it'll be a flop.
I'm getting "Smash Ultimate won't even sell 15 million" vibes from this thread.
Of course this is assuming the game is good, if it's bad of course it'll be a flop.
I assume you mean first party since there are a lot of games on PlayStation.
Do you have the graph that shows units sold relative to the price? Also you have the breakdown for units sold based consoles versus PC?
Just anecdotal, but certainly every first party game which we've received sales information on -- generally speaking Sony games take quite awhile to meet big milestones. God of War (2018) was Sony's best ever selling game and it did 5m in its first month but was only at 10m a year later and then around 20m 2 years after that (3 years total after release). I believe Spider-Man has surpassed it to be their best ever selling game but again, most of its sales have been after heavy discounts, re-releases and time has passed.
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The original is basically meaningless in this discussion. KoTORR will sell in the standards of what RPGs sell in the present, not how they sold 20 years back.
I'd say the only way it gets to 10mil is if it's really, really, reallllllly incredible. Like absolutely amazing graphically, fantastic combat, little-to-no bugs or issues, etc.
I'd say it's not outside the realm of possibility, but more likely it'll "just" be good to really good which is more than I need.
I'd say it's not outside the realm of possibility, but more likely it'll "just" be good to really good which is more than I need.
I totally forgot about the movies coinciding with its development/release. But how far out is the game? If it releases soon and only for next-gen consoles then it could hit 10M lifetime by being a game that folks continuously buy when getting a new console, especially if on discount. Or maybe by the time it finally comes out there will be a sizable install base.
And I think the remake will be much more friendly and appealing. I seriously doubt it will follow old school D&D rules for its gameplay.
We have hard data that Sony's best selling first party game ever took over a year to hit 10 million copies sold and 5m of those were in the 12 months that followed a 5m first month. You can look at this price chart on Camel Camel Camel to see that it fell in price relatively soon and stayed that way: https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0798DQ9KT?context=search. Their other best seller (Spider-Man), dropped in price about 6 months after release: https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B01GW8YDLK?context=search.
Most third party game companies don't release their sales data in general let alone on a per-platform basis, but we know The Witcher 3 for instance has sold around 11.5m copies to date on PS4 after 6 years and that is certainly a benchmark title in general. Obviously for PS5, the best selling titles are in the 2-3m units figure at most so getting to 10m in a year will require heavy lifting from the PC.
Yea I suppose if it's a 2024 game releasing alongside the Disney+ tv series push and the ps5 slim and ps5 pro push and they market the game with very casual friendly gameplay…I'd be willing to accept the possibility of 10 million lifetime sales :P