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Do you think Endgame dethroned The Dark Knight as the best comic book movie?
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- The Dark Knight
- Batman Begins
- Spider-Man 2
- Captain America: The Winter Soldier
- Guardians of the Galaxy
I liked Endgame.
But TDK, Black Panther, and maybe Spider-Verse and Winter Soldier were better.
(Ragnarok and TTGTTM are actually pretty close as well.)
But TDK, Black Panther, and maybe Spider-Verse and Winter Soldier were better.
(Ragnarok and TTGTTM are actually pretty close as well.)
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Lol, the idea that TDK is just elevated in nerd culture and not commonly believed to be one of the greatest movies ever.
Absolutely not. Endgame was fine but it's not even the best MCU film. Winter Soldier, Iron Man 1, Thor Ragnarok, Guardians 1 are all better in my opinion.
Probably not even in the discussion. MCU has better movies, and besides, the massive ensemble and scope of Endgame, fun as it is, dilutes some of its biggest payoffs (which, don't get me wrong, really are big)
and The Dark Knight has pretty shoddy editing and camera tracking.
Original Avengers is still the best team-up movie by far. Thor Ragnarok, Guardians of the Galaxy, Spider-Man Homecoming, Iron Man 1 I all found better movies than Endgame. Endgame is good fun, but it has lots of flaws too
It's not that good, though. The entire Nolan trilogy has aged pretty badly ever since comic book movies started embracing their comicbookness, to be honest, and is probably the single biggest contributing factor to the failure of DC to compete with Marvel - nobody wants grounded, "gritty" comic book movies since Marvel showed the world just how wacky their movies can be.
End Games's not even the best Marvel movie; Infinity War, Thor: Ragnarok and the very first Hulk (fight me) are better.
Fantastic movie that will stand the test of time.
I still think TDKR is the better comic book movie though.
I loved TDK but I feel it hasn't aged as well as I thought. It can fall apart on repeat viewings if you think about things too much
All the hokeyness and contrivances complained about in TDKR were already there in this one imo
like the jokers plan was to shoot gordon so he would fake his death and cause batman to expose himself, which would actually be harvey taking the fall and cause batman to come to his rescue, where the joker can play paussum so that gordon can reveal he was alive, get the joker in custody where it turns out he wanted to get caught so he could see who batman would save between harvey and rachel, and so he could explode the police department and escape.
uhhhh yeah.
All the hokeyness and contrivances complained about in TDKR were already there in this one imo
like the jokers plan was to shoot gordon so he would fake his death and cause batman to expose himself, which would actually be harvey taking the fall and cause batman to come to his rescue, where the joker can play paussum so that gordon can reveal he was alive, get the joker in custody where it turns out he wanted to get caught so he could see who batman would save between harvey and rachel, and so he could explode the police department and escape.
uhhhh yeah.
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The movie having a little humor doesn't necessarily make it a fun movie overall.
In comparison the marvel movies are lot goofier, and I find that more appealing.
But I really don't mean to imply that I think The Dark Knight is bad because it isn't. It's just not to my taste.
Personally I disagree. The reason DC failed over Marvel is because of terrible execution, not because TDK was fundamentally flawed or any such thing.
If I weigh the entire MCU against the TDK trilogy, definitely. Took me around the Civil War movies to think this, but MCU as a whole has definitely provided enough great moments.
I'm not the obsessive type of fan to ponder and weigh just one movie against another; most of them I've never even watched more than twice.
Maybe if Batman fought better and didn't look more like a guy flailing around, I'd be more hesitant to give it to marvel. The non 'superhero' stuff is great though - the atmosphere, Bale,Caine, Freeman, Ledger, Oldman. But, c'mon, Batman with bug-eyed sonar vision has trouble with Joker armed with dogs and a stick.
I'm not the obsessive type of fan to ponder and weigh just one movie against another; most of them I've never even watched more than twice.
Maybe if Batman fought better and didn't look more like a guy flailing around, I'd be more hesitant to give it to marvel. The non 'superhero' stuff is great though - the atmosphere, Bale,Caine, Freeman, Ledger, Oldman. But, c'mon, Batman with bug-eyed sonar vision has trouble with Joker armed with dogs and a stick.
Like others said, I wouldn't even count Endgame as the best Avengers film, let alone all time. Also, TDK while amazing, would also not be in my top 5. Out the top of my head, it would look something like:
1. X-Men: Days of Future Past
2. Batman Begins
3. Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse
4. Avengers: Infinity War
5. X2 or Spider-Man II
1. X-Men: Days of Future Past
2. Batman Begins
3. Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse
4. Avengers: Infinity War
5. X2 or Spider-Man II
No one is going to discuss endgame next year other than one or two moments. Dark Knight is a different beast.
Ledger is the only memorable thing about the movie to me. Other than that, it's a po-faced crime drama wannabe. I felt this way after leaving the theater, and it was my most anticipated movie of all time. It was crushing.
Logan, r rated gritty depressing as fuck comic book movies made over 600 million dollars
Hard to compare really as they are completely different kinds of comic book movie.
TDK is my favourite DC movie. I need to see Endgame again, to see where it ranks on my MCU list. It's an awesome movie though.
TDK is my favourite DC movie. I need to see Endgame again, to see where it ranks on my MCU list. It's an awesome movie though.
It's a good thing Ledger represents the vast majority of that movie then...
Endgame was good, but TDK is just something else. I mean TDK had Joker killing the GF and turning Harvey. The stakes, the setup was just amazing.
Thanos doesn't even kill any of the heroes in the final fight.
I rewatched TDk for the first time in 6 years while I was home sick from work .. and the answer is absolutely not. I liked Endgame, but I can't imagine how one would put it above the Dark Knight, which reclaimed its spot as the best superhero movie ever made in my mental ranking after that rewatch.
Oh I didn't mean because the movie was flawed, but it tried to ground something that shouldn't be grounded. It worked for the Nolan trilogy because it was self contained thing, but everyone tried copying it tonally - which just doesn't work for anyone that actually has superpowers.
Then, after Avengers was a homerun success, folks started to see that comic book movies are better off funny, colourful and weird and now it just makes the Nolan trilogy as a whole look... dull and muted.
Endgame is a celebration of the past 11 years of the biggest superheroes and superhero movies of all time. I was watching the Double Toasted review of it and I agree with them completely. It's a better comic book movie than TDK even if it's not a better overall movie. It's as if the people behind the MCU were told they could only make one more movie. It's a huge achievement.