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Do you like the supernatural stuff in metal gear solid?
- Thread starter Blue Skies
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Hated the supernatural stuff and actually part of the reason I never got into this series. The cloning stuff I could live with (even though I didn't like that either), but the rest of the crazy stuff...no thanks.
You can have a compelling plot without sticking in random unexplainable sci fi bullshit. Like would The Rock be better if they gave Sean Connery magical powers?
You can have a compelling plot without sticking in random unexplainable sci fi bullshit. Like would The Rock be better if they gave Sean Connery magical powers?
I don't want to live in a world where MGS bosses don't have stupid superpowers.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't even know what to make of this comment, but I think I totally agree.
*snicker*...hateboner 🤣
They totally are, explaining something that didn't need explanation. And in doing so making everything look ridiculous cause it doesn't make sense.
I still dont get why Kojima set up that Ocelots dad was a medium who could channel the dead which explains the whole Liquid Ocelot thing (he has his dads power) and decided nanites and drugs etc was the better explanation.
I mean I get it, he's a shit writer that needs more people to tell him "No", but still.....
I mean I get it, he's a shit writer that needs more people to tell him "No", but still.....
I enjoy it when it is given as little focus as possible and is simply treated as incredibly odd phenomena that some individuals are capable of. As soon as the explanations start pouring in and when characters stop reacting to these things as if they are normal everyday occurrences is when I kinda lose interest.
Both actually.
"And Ocelot, in order to fool the system, used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality onto his own."
It's pretty neat. The original MGS did it best, but I love the way the games mix together the serious military espionage action stuff with mystical elements. If it was just military dudes it wouldn't be half as fun as, say, a character like The End just doing photosynthesis on the battlefield.
I like it when its a clever twist, or even when its ambiguous. MGS1 did a great job at this
Not a huge fan when, for a long time, the thought was that OCELOT IS BEING POSSESSED BY LIQUID BECAUSE OF THE ARM. That goes into the wrong side of campy and the "reveal" that explained it was even worse
Not a huge fan when, for a long time, the thought was that OCELOT IS BEING POSSESSED BY LIQUID BECAUSE OF THE ARM. That goes into the wrong side of campy and the "reveal" that explained it was even worse
Something about wanting hard scifi from Metal Gear reminds me of the people who thought Rising was too exaggerated and over the top to fit into the universe about cloned super soldiers who are fighting over giant robots that shoot nukes
If anything, Metal Gear got worse the less comic book-y it was. MGS4 and 5 go in harder on the (relatively) more serious, all-scifi, cinematic tip than all the other titles and they suffer (from a narrative and presentation standpoint anyway) for it.
Basically, I have an easier time believing that Ocelot was possessed by Liquid's arm than buying the fact that Ocelot hypnotized himself into adopting Liquid's personality with nanomachines for... reasons?
If anything, Metal Gear got worse the less comic book-y it was. MGS4 and 5 go in harder on the (relatively) more serious, all-scifi, cinematic tip than all the other titles and they suffer (from a narrative and presentation standpoint anyway) for it.
Basically, I have an easier time believing that Ocelot was possessed by Liquid's arm than buying the fact that Ocelot hypnotized himself into adopting Liquid's personality with nanomachines for... reasons?
This is more an over correction on behalf of the fanbase's desires than his actual intent. Kojima famously didn't want to make 4, was basically forced to and was depressed during it's entire development (which is probably why MGS4's tone is as suicidally bleak as it is when it's not having Johnny Sazaki diarrhea blasting or a monkey puffin on cigs) but people demanded "answers" to the MGS2 mysteries he intended to remain mysterious forever, all of the decisions in MGS4 are mostly reactions to fan feedback Thus a much derided character from MGS2 (Raiden) becomes a cliche "cool badass" character, a "That's really...weird" plot point (the arm) becomes stupider in an attempt to make it plausible (same for Vamp) MG Rex and Shadow Moses comes back for some long desired fanservice. The whole game feels like an misguided attempt to address and rectify the mixed reaction to MGS2, which the majority of the fanbase simply did not understand.
No they shouldn't, ever, they will NEVER recapture the growth of the series or story like Kojima did.
Other than a bumper sized collection of all the games, it should be left alone.
It is what sets it a part from all those military action games.
The ridiculousness of MGS is what makes it so fun.
Also are people still confusing MGS4's Ocelot/Liquid thing as a retcon? Granted it is dumb, but it was clearly explained in the game that in MGS2 it was actually Liquid taking over and MGS4 was the self hypnosis.
The ridiculousness of MGS is what makes it so fun.
Also are people still confusing MGS4's Ocelot/Liquid thing as a retcon? Granted it is dumb, but it was clearly explained in the game that in MGS2 it was actually Liquid taking over and MGS4 was the self hypnosis.
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MGS is absolutely supposed to be shlocky. Kojima is an insane person, the games are not grounded at all by design.
More 1 than 2. 2 is my favorite but it gets pretty weird. Bosses include a vampire and a fat guy on roller skates.
It's a literally a fundamental of the series and it wouldn't be Metal Gear without it. Actually the dumbest things in the series came about when they tried to explain the most ridiculous stuff with "grounded" explainations rather than just letting weird shit be weird shit *cough* Ocelot possession *cough*
I liked it. It was certainly more interesting than patriots, la li lu le lo, AI, nanomachines etc.
The supernatural entities in the MGS games are usually just there to deliver a metaphor or allusion that ties in with whatever that specific game's thematic elements are. MGS is one of those narratives that has implications bigger than the sum of its parts. Sometimes they can be a little contrived, but rarely do that not execute.
I think its quite grounded, several countries around the world have done experiments about Telekinesis, supernatural powers, etc. To gain a advantage in the wars. Heck Hitler was looking for religious artifacts.
MGS just take that idea of the supernatural to create a more powerful military and makes it a real thing. Of course, later they used Nanomachines, but even if MGS4, they made you believe that some stuff can't be done with nanomachines. So I'm ok with all the supernatural stuff in a game that is about war and military, because that stuff has been taken seriously by militaries in the past.
MGS just take that idea of the supernatural to create a more powerful military and makes it a real thing. Of course, later they used Nanomachines, but even if MGS4, they made you believe that some stuff can't be done with nanomachines. So I'm ok with all the supernatural stuff in a game that is about war and military, because that stuff has been taken seriously by militaries in the past.
I think it's a good balance. (Ignoring Metal Gear Survive). Just enough for it to be believable.
Like MGS3 was my first real metal gear and I thought it was just a spy game, then the supernatural stuff came up and I didn't even think it was weird or anything for this game to have it. Still felt like a spy game to me back then.
Like MGS3 was my first real metal gear and I thought it was just a spy game, then the supernatural stuff came up and I didn't even think it was weird or anything for this game to have it. Still felt like a spy game to me back then.
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slighty off topic but i was super bummed nothing supernatural happens in uncharted 4. it was a series staple and it bieng missing left a sour taste in my mouth
Yes and no. I'm cool with it for the most part, but sometimes it gets so profoundly stupid that it's just too much for me. For example, the instance in MGS2 when it was revealed that Fortune really is Lady Luck right after it had been demonstrated that she had relied on technology the whole game, albeit unknowingly.
I didn't mind it as a "twist" for one game, but Lost Legacy doing it too definitely makes me worried that for potential future games they might have fully bowed to the people complaining about that aspect instead of improving it
No, he was faking it the whole time, then he removed the arm to "balance his psyche" even though he was faking it the whole time, only to then hypnotize himself into believing it was true because reasons. It's dumb as fuck, I love it.
Metal Gear Solid IS the supernatural; without all that, it's not the same at all, and that's part of why I love it. Once you "try" to take it too seriously, they throw something in to remind you it's a psycho anime and you smile again. Usually.