The whole point of the organic label is that they don't or aren't supposed to.
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Do you know anyone who believes in pseudosciences?
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My mom thinks that if you put the avocado core in a glass of water somehow the avocado stays ripe and doesnt spoil.
My mum believes in psychics and I don't have the heart to argue with her because it comforts her over the loss of her own mum a few years ago. I just politely humour her then move the conversation somewhere else.
In reality it's often just less. There are some companies that don't use pesticides at all, like Fattoria La Vialla in Italy.
At a friend of one of my son's birthday my wife and I were attending, a very nice lady, sharply dressed and seemingly very articulate, started talking to my wife about the weather problems and weird patterns we were having.
I move in, thinking we're going to have a great conversation about climate change, human impact, polution, EPA gutting, de-regulation, environment and the likes.
Nope.
She wants to tell us all about Chemtrails and the government controlling/ changing the weather, and possibly our minds.
I could only think "Fuck Me" at that point.
My wife having never heard of that thought it was totally serious, so I had to explain to her the BS of it all later on.
At some point, the lady saw how I was looking at her, and asked me what I thought. I was as diplomat as possible, but it was clear what I thought of the whole chemtrail thing.
She then promptly moved to another group after a polite retreat, and I could hear later she was again preaching the gospel of chemtrails.
At a kid's birthday party (in an indoor inflatables jump zone type party).
What the Hell.
I move in, thinking we're going to have a great conversation about climate change, human impact, polution, EPA gutting, de-regulation, environment and the likes.
Nope.
She wants to tell us all about Chemtrails and the government controlling/ changing the weather, and possibly our minds.
I could only think "Fuck Me" at that point.
My wife having never heard of that thought it was totally serious, so I had to explain to her the BS of it all later on.
At some point, the lady saw how I was looking at her, and asked me what I thought. I was as diplomat as possible, but it was clear what I thought of the whole chemtrail thing.
She then promptly moved to another group after a polite retreat, and I could hear later she was again preaching the gospel of chemtrails.
At a kid's birthday party (in an indoor inflatables jump zone type party).
What the Hell.
That's not accurate, and I say this as someone who has been working in the food industry and with the USDA on organic labeling.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards
There are plenty of chemicals and pesticides that are permitted to be used. Here is just a small list of allowed synthetic substances:
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...v8&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32.7.354.2&idno=7
Sometimes pesticides and herbicides are even used as much as 10x the amount of the non-organic approved ones due to their poor eficacy:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2011/06/18/137249264/organic-pesticides-not-an-oxymoron
This is not to turn you off from Organic, but really I feel people are under the wrong impression as to why they are paying a premium.
This would be a deal breaker for me. Hope she isn't wasting any money on this bullshit.
I wonder if belief in auras originated with synesthesia. Like, I have a weird shitty version of synesthesia where numerals have colors (3 is lime green, 5 is red), but it's just the brain being wired kinda funny. But of course people didn't know that in ancient times, so they assigned some sort of meaning to it all, and that gets disseminated and twisted up enough that people buy into it on a spiritual basis.
1. A social science ? Yes.
2. No it is absolutely not. Sad that the Nobel family hasn't been able to legally stop this bullshit.
See what I mean, kids ? That whole "Nobel" thing triggers economists real good.
If this were my situation, I would try something else.
As for some of the other things you said about science vs universal truth, I think I can see what you are trying to say. I'm not sure if science has ever, will, or can proclaim universal truth. But they can come up with "scientific laws".
I'm no academic person, but the goal of science appears to be to find truth, preferably, absolute truth about this world that appears to have laws at play. When I was in school, they talked a little bit about the process of how untested observations/hypotheses/theories can go to experiments and finding evidence/support to possibly becoming scientific law (one of, if not the, highest of achievements in "truth searchiness" by scientific ways). I'm going to make up a ridiculous percentage here, but once something becomes scientific law, it is 99.99999999999999999999999999997% in such and such test cases/scenarios that an outcome is predictable/true. It sounds absurd, but if there is a 0.00000000000000000000000000003% chance where it could be false I'd hope for people to remain open to ideas that might challenge or question it (that was one other ideal standards I learned about science: the ability to refute). That's good that people can have backed statistics/discoveries as a starting point to find truth and quality of life (of humans at least) has improved because of the efforts of science (though I do hate to see negative effects that might result from this in some people like a deadened imagination or closed-mindedness).
So yes, the ideal is to stay open. We appear to be but fragments perceiving this world. If others are like me, we have difficulty processing the effect of one variable at a time much less infinite variables at play.
But science will follow its current trajectory and it seems to be a logical way: it must follow, further explore, and branch off from the currently understood (generally, "true looking") path to in order to find more truth (if A, then B?).
Maybe it would just be nicer if we just said "We don't have any data that supports that" rather than "that is absolutely false"?
It's part of our DNA. It's why we're actually capable of science to begin with: because our ancestors were wired to notice trends and adapt their behaviors based on those observations.
The difference, of course, is proper attribution of the cause of trends versus improper attribution, though for ancient humans they couldn't be picky. ("I get sick less when I drink alcohol" being attributed as "Alcohol is good for me" rather than attributed as "I should stop pooping in the water", for example.)
It actually increased pesticide use in the case of sugar beets.
The gm version of papaya saved Hawaii from absolute destruction and I could see a similar situation due to citrus greening.
So not a fan of people dismissing things that don't actually work well or at all as long as someone believes it works...is what you're saying?
I don't believe in ghosts, demons, alien visitors, crystals, oils that cure everything, horoscopes, blah blah blah blah...
However....I did once see something, with a friend in the vehicle with me that saw it too, that I'll never be able to explain. (shrug)
My Evangelical fundie-zealot parents believe in Creationism and the geocentric solar system model (although not flat earth, thank Lucifer). My bestie believes in dowsing. Drives me nuts.
Doesn't the Bible say that the first thing God created was the Sun?
That's not pseudoscience or even religious fanaticism, that's just blatant anti-intellectualism.
i know a girl into tarot and astrology and all that stuff, i love talking to these people, its so wacky.
I use a few and they actually help with my allergies. Not tremendously, but enough that it is noticeable. I use a few others for various things, but I'm not someone who thinks they cure cancer or anything.
I know plenty of people who believe in acupuncture and chiropractic, unfortunately. They are very mainstream/common beliefs in pseudo-science. If I ever dare to call it pseudoscience in such company I am the bad guy in the room for sure, so I usually keep my mouth shut. It annoys me though because beliefs in junk medicine can be dangerous.
I know one guy who believes in homeopathy. I once tried to debate him but he told me, quite categorically, that "it was proven to work". He's the sweetest old gentleman and I didn't want to fight with him, so I just shook my head and dropped it.
Not quite a pseudoscience but I know another guy, a brilliant engineer, who is a 9/11 truther. Blows my mind. One time he was giving me a ride home and the radio was playing, the host had some conspiracy theory debunker dude on, who was explaining all the fallacies in various conspiracy theories, from moon landing hoaxes to JFK to 9/11 and when the 9/11 talk came on he got real annoyed. I just basically sighed and went "oh boy here we go again" and that set him off and he tried to really argue with me, despite all my attempts to disengage. It was awkward as hell haha. Fortunately he dropped it once I got home and we parted on good terms, he didn't take it personally (and he's not that nutty that he believes in any CT, just 9/11 for some reason), but he feels reaaaal strongly about that one. SMH.
I know one guy who believes in homeopathy. I once tried to debate him but he told me, quite categorically, that "it was proven to work". He's the sweetest old gentleman and I didn't want to fight with him, so I just shook my head and dropped it.
Not quite a pseudoscience but I know another guy, a brilliant engineer, who is a 9/11 truther. Blows my mind. One time he was giving me a ride home and the radio was playing, the host had some conspiracy theory debunker dude on, who was explaining all the fallacies in various conspiracy theories, from moon landing hoaxes to JFK to 9/11 and when the 9/11 talk came on he got real annoyed. I just basically sighed and went "oh boy here we go again" and that set him off and he tried to really argue with me, despite all my attempts to disengage. It was awkward as hell haha. Fortunately he dropped it once I got home and we parted on good terms, he didn't take it personally (and he's not that nutty that he believes in any CT, just 9/11 for some reason), but he feels reaaaal strongly about that one. SMH.
lol
But.. alt-med is also corrupt as fuck, greedy and untrustworthy. At least a corrupt hospital will still use proper evidence-based medicine... :\
My girlfriend believes a lot of pseudo science non-sense and sometimes it pisses me off.
Like: GMOs are bad, we should buy organics because pesticides will give you cancer, that 'natural' products are automatically better that normal product, that WiFi and waves are dangerous, that you have to take vitamins to stay healthy, etc.
I mean, she comes from a family where her parents are deep into this non-sense, so she's not 100% to blame. I try to make her understand and teach her critial thinking, but it can be exhausting sometimes.
Like: GMOs are bad, we should buy organics because pesticides will give you cancer, that 'natural' products are automatically better that normal product, that WiFi and waves are dangerous, that you have to take vitamins to stay healthy, etc.
I mean, she comes from a family where her parents are deep into this non-sense, so she's not 100% to blame. I try to make her understand and teach her critial thinking, but it can be exhausting sometimes.
Not exactly, but i know tons of people who have a really wonky understanding of how evolution works.
Also if it counts, in one of my previous jobs i knew someone who PRETENDED to believe in tarot reading, mostly because he was scamming people by charging them for reading their fortunes, when i bluntly asked him why he was scamming people, he argued he totally believed in that stuff (while quite the smooth talking con man, you could tell he didn't) and went on about spirituality and religion, when he brought up religion it was even more clear he was full of shit.
Why? Because he also was into some really nutty conspiracy shit, which made clear he didn't actually believe in god or mysticism, and he said stupid stuff like "The vatican has a secret treasure and is secretly the richest country in the world, and the pope at the time was the one who had JFK killed because he disrespected him on his USA visit".
Really.
And for that matter, in that same job we had a sales coach who spoke about his previous experience, at one point he was selling some catholic blessed medallions via telemarketing, and to "motivate us" he was telling us about his exploits, so he tell us about this grief stricken woman with a sick husband who asked him "will this medallion heal my husband?", while the sales coach didn't flat out say "yes, it will", he didn't say "no it won't" either and went on this speech about how the medallion would bringer peace of mind and ease the pain and other BS, this was supposed to be his inspiring triumph to us the new sales people, and i immediately told him "what the fuck man, lying to grieving people?! How do you sleep at night?!"
Also if it counts, in one of my previous jobs i knew someone who PRETENDED to believe in tarot reading, mostly because he was scamming people by charging them for reading their fortunes, when i bluntly asked him why he was scamming people, he argued he totally believed in that stuff (while quite the smooth talking con man, you could tell he didn't) and went on about spirituality and religion, when he brought up religion it was even more clear he was full of shit.
Why? Because he also was into some really nutty conspiracy shit, which made clear he didn't actually believe in god or mysticism, and he said stupid stuff like "The vatican has a secret treasure and is secretly the richest country in the world, and the pope at the time was the one who had JFK killed because he disrespected him on his USA visit".
Really.
And for that matter, in that same job we had a sales coach who spoke about his previous experience, at one point he was selling some catholic blessed medallions via telemarketing, and to "motivate us" he was telling us about his exploits, so he tell us about this grief stricken woman with a sick husband who asked him "will this medallion heal my husband?", while the sales coach didn't flat out say "yes, it will", he didn't say "no it won't" either and went on this speech about how the medallion would bringer peace of mind and ease the pain and other BS, this was supposed to be his inspiring triumph to us the new sales people, and i immediately told him "what the fuck man, lying to grieving people?! How do you sleep at night?!"
You are supposed to put the avocado in cold water not just the core, and it actually works!
But the best method i know it is to put the avocado inside a recipient with cut onion in it.
Oh, not sure this qualifies as pseudoscience, since my mother doesn't bother justifying her belief with any "studies" or outside sources of a purported scientific nature. But she--a chain smoker for 45-years--simply pronounces any and all claims that cigarettes are harmful for bodily health as mere propaganda and "fake news". -______-
Sure, I know people who believe in astrology, reiki, garlic for warding off evil, homeopathy, that microwave ovens are dangerous, all sorts of things.
When my cousin was diagnosed everyone and their uncle wanted to chime in with this cure and that cure. Made me so mad, no idea how she put up with it.
Hope you're all clear now!
This one has driven me crazy. Especially because they were all people with scientific research backgrounds. They had masters and PhD s and I was having to argue with them about the efficacy of flu shots.
My mum. She believes in various homeopathic remedies and Old Wives Tales, scoffs at evolution, and just has a strange understanding of science.
For example, during this last hurricane season she was trying to convince me that the Solar Eclipse was having an effect on the intensity of the storms, you know because of the Moon's gravitational pull on the Earth.
Problem is she's very stubborn with her beliefs so me spending a good 20 min detailing why that is impossible didn't seem to get through.
For example, during this last hurricane season she was trying to convince me that the Solar Eclipse was having an effect on the intensity of the storms, you know because of the Moon's gravitational pull on the Earth.
Problem is she's very stubborn with her beliefs so me spending a good 20 min detailing why that is impossible didn't seem to get through.
Yeah, a bunch. Chiropractic, certain aspects of Traditional Chinese Medicine, essential oils (like rubbing lavender on your feet makes you more calm), etc.
Mom is thinks organic food is better for you somehow. I blame the internet.
That's hilarious.
That's hilarious.
All sorts of weirdness. Hollow earth, crystal healing powers, antivaxxers, cannabis oil curing cancer without thinking about Bob Marley for even a second, UFOs and aliens, secret antarctic ancient bases or nazi bases or something, sounds and harmony being some crazy conspiracy that will fix the world through what I can assume is maths and a spirograph set, the powers that be controlling the world and being above every national government but leaving easily noticeable triangles everywhere because that makes sense, lizard folk, aspartame is cancer... shit man, I know people into all this madness.
My family has the usual stuff: organics and chiropractics mainly. As someone who has epilepsy, the amount of "natural remedies" I've been told to use have been astounding. THC oil is the big one because everyone saw the same short article and two minute video om Facebook. The second is just taking a lot of magnesium. Apparently if I take 1000 mg of magnesium a day, I'll never have a seizure again.
Shit's bonkers bullshit. Chiropractic neurology was a fun thing that my dad thought would help my mom with her (misdiagnosed, but believed to be true at the time) MS. For those who don't know, chiropractic neurology helps rebuild nerve beds via cold lasers. To clarify, it's just flashing blue laser lights at a person.
My dad really wants to help my mom and me because he can't do anything about our problems (which are permanent). It just ends up pissing us off and giving my mom constant false hopes. Of course my dad basically believes every conspiracy peddled by people like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck, so it's not even about helping anymore.
Shit's bonkers bullshit. Chiropractic neurology was a fun thing that my dad thought would help my mom with her (misdiagnosed, but believed to be true at the time) MS. For those who don't know, chiropractic neurology helps rebuild nerve beds via cold lasers. To clarify, it's just flashing blue laser lights at a person.
My dad really wants to help my mom and me because he can't do anything about our problems (which are permanent). It just ends up pissing us off and giving my mom constant false hopes. Of course my dad basically believes every conspiracy peddled by people like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck, so it's not even about helping anymore.
When I woke up from coma, it wasnt god. It was medication, doctors and my own dedictation to stay alive. When my voice returned, well... I do believe it was the technique they showed me for recovery, but in the end it could have been time healing as well.
What I strongly believe in is placebo, sadly I am very sceptical of any kind strange promising therapy and not good at convincing myself. I'd really love to try for my migraine attacks tho.
When I was still a child I used to have ear infections regulary. My aunt even gave me a crystal for it. I still have the crystal (I like its color) but I honestly believe it'd have the same effect to cuddle with my childhood cuddle toy, although... the latter might calm me down more.
My last ENT visit about my hearing got me the answer "Your ear is not inflammed, but apparently something is wrong with the airing. Could it be that you slightly dislocated something lately? This must be the cause." Shrug.
What I strongly believe in is placebo, sadly I am very sceptical of any kind strange promising therapy and not good at convincing myself. I'd really love to try for my migraine attacks tho.
When I was still a child I used to have ear infections regulary. My aunt even gave me a crystal for it. I still have the crystal (I like its color) but I honestly believe it'd have the same effect to cuddle with my childhood cuddle toy, although... the latter might calm me down more.
Have you never dislocated a bone? Like not being able to move your head to the left or right or something along those lines? Happens to me all the time. (My neck/back muscles are not really well developed I suppose.)
My last ENT visit about my hearing got me the answer "Your ear is not inflammed, but apparently something is wrong with the airing. Could it be that you slightly dislocated something lately? This must be the cause." Shrug.