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Do you ever feel bad about the poor bastards in films that get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
- Thread starter FernandoRocker
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Literally all the time.
I was gonna use Winter Soldier as an example; the housekeeper who's cleaned Pierce's crib, probably for years, tells him good night and dips. But wait! She left her phone on the table. That's ok. She's still in the driveway, she'll just let herself in, like she does all the time, and grab it. Oh hey, there's Mr. Pierce at the table. I'll just let him know I-...wait, who is that with him? Why's Pierce looking at me like that? Why's he grabbing a gun? Wh-*dead*
Shit like that haunts me, for reasons I don't entirely understand.
I was gonna use Winter Soldier as an example; the housekeeper who's cleaned Pierce's crib, probably for years, tells him good night and dips. But wait! She left her phone on the table. That's ok. She's still in the driveway, she'll just let herself in, like she does all the time, and grab it. Oh hey, there's Mr. Pierce at the table. I'll just let him know I-...wait, who is that with him? Why's Pierce looking at me like that? Why's he grabbing a gun? Wh-*dead*
Shit like that haunts me, for reasons I don't entirely understand.
Eddie's death in JPLW was worse in my opinion than the secretary in JW.. atleast he was trying to do something and was helping his friends and what did he get for that? Gruesome death by being ripped apart by two T-rexes.. the scene in JW didn't even had any blood in it and her scene was just too over the top to take it in any way seriously
That's real life. There are so many instances of a good semaritan helping a stranded car and getting hit by a drunk driver.
Oh man, this thread is Pulp Fiction for me. I always laugh when this innocent bystander gets shot trying to help Marcellus Wallace.
This is the first thing that comes to mind. And how every one else helping out too immediately beat feet right after that. 😂
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Basically what I came in here to say.
To enjoy the plot and presentation?
She's definitely not dead at the end of that scene. She's packed in the dino's stomach with the crushed remains of the pteranodon, screaming and suffocating as she's burned and crushed to a slow and horrifying end.
The point is that reducing everything to being "fake" is reductive. It's fiction, of course it's fake.
Unless you're the kind of person who solely watches documentaries and such, it seems like a weird complaint to me.
I can't find a gif or video of it, but the truck driver in T2 getting stabbed to death for checking on the survivor of a crash was a bad case of wrong place wrong time. Poor bugger.
As for the lady in Jurassic World, yes it's a nasty death, but that's kind of the point. It's not a commentary on her, or punishing her for not liking kids, it's that these creatures will fuck humans up if they get the chance. Gennaro was a bit greedy, and left the kids alone in the car, that didn't mean he deserved to get torn up by a T-Rex. Eddie in The Lost World was heroically trying to save his friends and still got torn in half. The dog didn't deserve to die either. Or the palaeontologist the mercs had with them that got eaten because a snake crawled in his vest. Or the people eaten on the street at the end. Those last few aren't as extended as the attack on the JW lady, but you get the point. I think that some people read WAY too much into it. They wanted a big, memorable moment of a death that'd make you wince.
As for the lady in Jurassic World, yes it's a nasty death, but that's kind of the point. It's not a commentary on her, or punishing her for not liking kids, it's that these creatures will fuck humans up if they get the chance. Gennaro was a bit greedy, and left the kids alone in the car, that didn't mean he deserved to get torn up by a T-Rex. Eddie in The Lost World was heroically trying to save his friends and still got torn in half. The dog didn't deserve to die either. Or the palaeontologist the mercs had with them that got eaten because a snake crawled in his vest. Or the people eaten on the street at the end. Those last few aren't as extended as the attack on the JW lady, but you get the point. I think that some people read WAY too much into it. They wanted a big, memorable moment of a death that'd make you wince.
I'm not complaining really. I just don't feel bad when a character dies or is harmed in a movie, since there's no suspension of disbelief for me that'd make me interpret it emotionally as a real person dying.
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I always like to think that the driver (the one driving the truck with the liquid nitrogen) was able to survive.
I was prepared to enter the thread saying "Nah..."
But... OP, I have thought about that guy in your example many times. Poor fuck.
But... OP, I have thought about that guy in your example many times. Poor fuck.
Ooooh, I dunno. The blade was the big arm one and it came right through the middle of his back. The T-1000 knows how to dispatch people quickly, I think it got him right in the heart.
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Yeah, of course I notice.
When it isn't thoughtless it can elevate the material.
When it isn't thoughtless it can elevate the material.
Eddy got it worse.
I would like to believe that guy just had a bunch of flesh wounds but survivedI'm doing my annual rewatch of Terminator 2, and I always feel for the poor bastard in the hallway with the can of Pepsi.
Poor guy. He never knew it was going to be his last day on this Earth... He probably rolled out of bed, putting on his new pair of Bugle Boy jeans, his suspenders, and driving to work in a car that he was still paying. He was just doing this job... repairing a light fixture here, lose a few cents in a vending machine there. Never did he think that he would be put smack dab in the middle of a gunfight between two robots.
I'm gonna drink a Pepsi in your honor today, Mr. Handyman.
Yes haha, I just remember thinking wow she did nothing to deserve that.
i voted middle, but I don't really think the "could have been me" part. i feel sorry for the innocent person, though if they died in a cool way i still enjoy the coolness of that. its when collateral damage is boring and thoughtless that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. i need some feeling of assurance that the director understands the impact of innocent death and is building it into the tone of the movie/show.
it also depends on the scale: an entire city being wiped out obviously requires different considerations vs one person.
so I don't really object to horrible things happening as long as its designed to feel like the horror of that thing is respected, or conversely in a dark comedy is ludicrously un-respected. (though that can go too far as well, imo.)
it also depends on the scale: an entire city being wiped out obviously requires different considerations vs one person.
so I don't really object to horrible things happening as long as its designed to feel like the horror of that thing is respected, or conversely in a dark comedy is ludicrously un-respected. (though that can go too far as well, imo.)
Yeah, because as capable as I would be in an emergency situation, I know my luck would fail to cooperate.
I would be the guy in the car behind the hero trying to outrun an explosion.
I would be the guy to get popped by a sniper alerting the hero to find cover.
I would be the the guy thriving in a post apocalyptic world until the hero crosses my path.
I would be the guy in the car behind the hero trying to outrun an explosion.
I would be the guy to get popped by a sniper alerting the hero to find cover.
I would be the the guy thriving in a post apocalyptic world until the hero crosses my path.
The housekeeper is unfortunate but it's all the people on the street when Hydra decides wage all out war against Fury or Cap and company that sucks. I'm driving around, minding my own business, my son is strapped into his carseat in the back and then BOOM all hell breaks loose. I'm not going to bail and leave my son but by the time I get him out Hydra goon with a minigun has turned my car into swiss.
Yeah this always makes me feel bad.
Hard-Boiled and Only God Forgives come to mind. Lots of randoms getting gunned down for being in the wrong restaurant at the wrong time.
Hard-Boiled and Only God Forgives come to mind. Lots of randoms getting gunned down for being in the wrong restaurant at the wrong time.
Oh god, that hospital shootout in Hard Boiled. It was a great setting that made a point to show how even the mob boss' henchman had a line he didn't want to cross.
Then his boss shows why he's a piece of shit.
I genuinely don't understand how you can enjoy watching movies and feel this way.
First thing I thought when I saw the thread was T-1000 killing the adoptive dad(?) by empalling him through a carton of milk. It fucked me up as a kid.
Philip feels bad
Philip feels bad
I enjoy being entertained. Sure, kill off my favorite main and I'll be pissed. That doesn't mean I'm gonna genuinely care about a side nobody character dying. I don't go see movies then wonder about bus passenger #27 and how much it sucks he was on screen for 4 seconds then died.
Way worse than this is the dude that Arnold uses as a human shield on the escalator in Total Recall.
The guy could not be more oblivious as he heads to Mervyn's or whatever, when a gunfight breaks out. After he takes a bullet in the crossfire, Arnold holds the man up in front of himself to adsorb more enemy fire.
Then when more gunmen come from the opposite direction, Arnold pivots the body to take more rounds, before throwing it at the gunmen!!
Truly a bad day to be a mall shopper.
I had to laugh so hard when I rewatched the movie. There's no way a modern action hero would get away with that
Realistically she'd probably drown first. But yeah it's not a great way to go either way.
I think about the finale, personally. Even if the bulk of the helicarriers end up in the Potomac River, Southwest DC and Rosslyn VA are going to be carpeted with shrapnel.
Haha, I meant to mention the helicarriers. Yeah, Cap and co. saved millions around the world but it sucks for the couple thousand who were under the falling wreckage.
The words "Let that be a lesson" are a tad redundant at this juncture.
I liked how the T1000 gave the helicopter pilot time to eject by telling him to get out. He probably suffered two broken legs but he was alive.
