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Do you enjoy the “bad” games?
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According to some people here, Sonic was never good.
So I guess a lot of people love bad games. Myself included, I'm due for another Sonic 2 playthrough.
Also I actually really liked No Man's Sky on release, I know why it was hated but I found it exceptionally enjoyable and absolutely engrossing, it would steal hours of my days away. It obviously went on to become much better with huge content updates, but the gameplay is largely the same, so I guess it was always good (right?)
So I guess a lot of people love bad games. Myself included, I'm due for another Sonic 2 playthrough.
Also I actually really liked No Man's Sky on release, I know why it was hated but I found it exceptionally enjoyable and absolutely engrossing, it would steal hours of my days away. It obviously went on to become much better with huge content updates, but the gameplay is largely the same, so I guess it was always good (right?)
Well, if according to some RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 is "unplayable garbage, to me it is in the top 5 (or 10) of all time (even though I haven't even played it yet (my backlog is enormous + I know my taste).
I didn't finish it but Dragon Age 2 was pretty cool. I wish they could have taken way more time to develop it. Having the story span multiple years (I think? Or months idk) of a city's history was really cool and I wish more games did that kind of stuff.
How low does the score need to be? Because Riptide GP2 has an OpenCritic score of 67 and it's too damn fun for that.
I tend to have the opposite problem. I've attempted to start Dragon Age: Inquisition like 4 times because I'm convinced there's just something I'm not getting, and I quit it early into the game every time.
I tend to have the opposite problem. I've attempted to start Dragon Age: Inquisition like 4 times because I'm convinced there's just something I'm not getting, and I quit it early into the game every time.
You have a really good taste, even though I havent' even played any of the Persona's (or any of the games you mentioned, but I know that I like those games (not sure about Persona, have to try on day (there's not enough hours in life)) .
I'am tempted to to start Inguisition (I love fantasy), but I know that it will take at least 100 hours to for me to complete it.Maybe it just takes time to get into it for you due to the lenght.
You look dope! Smash those monsters!
I think Dragon Age has a slow start, it took a while to click for me.
But it has an even slower middle, the Deep Roads and The Fade both kill any desire for multiple playthroughs.
Edit: dammit, I just saw you said Inquisition lol, never mind then
I like Final Fantasy XV because it has a great battle system and I loved the cast. The post-credits scene got me bad.
I loved plenty of "bad" games.
Risen 3: Titan Lords.
Thief (4)
Infinite Undiscovery.
Neptunia Victory
..and plenty more I can't think of right now. These games get bashed a lot, but I don't think they bad at all. I really enjoyed my time with them.
At the same time, there are plenty of games that are massive hits and score tons of 10/10 that I don't like. (RDR2, Hollow Knight, etc.)
Risen 3: Titan Lords.
Thief (4)
Infinite Undiscovery.
Neptunia Victory
..and plenty more I can't think of right now. These games get bashed a lot, but I don't think they bad at all. I really enjoyed my time with them.
At the same time, there are plenty of games that are massive hits and score tons of 10/10 that I don't like. (RDR2, Hollow Knight, etc.)
Can we not normalize calling decent/good/great games bad bc a portion of the gaming community can't make a point without relying on hyperbole (see trash, bad, garbage, shit etc.) to say they just don't like something?
I didn't see a single bad game in this thread (despite not liking some of them myself).
I didn't see a single bad game in this thread (despite not liking some of them myself).
I go to bat for Mega Man X6 which by all means is a huge trainwreck but there's some magic there that other entries just don't have
I don't know if it's bad, but being a licenced game I'm guessing the Gamecube's Incredibes game is at most middling when it comes to scores. My brother and I finished the game in a singe christmas afternoon and we had fun with it, messing with each other, and it wasn't a terrible experience.
Also, I think Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly is not well liked among the Spyro fans, but is the only one I've played and I liked it, except for the final boss that I didn't understood how to beat before my save got corrupted :/. The game's hard though, so I didn't restarted it.
Also, I think Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly is not well liked among the Spyro fans, but is the only one I've played and I liked it, except for the final boss that I didn't understood how to beat before my save got corrupted :/. The game's hard though, so I didn't restarted it.
My version of "bad" games are typically indies with threadbare budgets that punch above their weight with ideas that are more creative & adventurous than mainstream budgets can support from a ROI perspective.
Current faves include Neofeud & Off-Peak City.
The former described by the runaway best curator on Steam as;
"an exquisite example of raw, broken-good, Outsider Art, 90s-style point-and-click adventure, and a meaningful story and characters, deeper than most, all by a dedicated solo dev. Superb."
Sonic Unleashed. I love the werehog levels unironically. They are chill and I zone out during them.
I guess the only one I can think of that I might consider "bad" but also enjoy is Pac Man World 3. It's largely because of nostalgia
I really enjoyed Skyward Sword a lot, even the motion controls. I also enjoy playing "bad" games when they release because when they come out it's almost like a case study
This is a good one, but for me I love the Wii werehog levels. I would say the sonic levels in the HD versions are better but I really love the level progression in the werehog levels.
There are bad games then there are games that people on forums and fanbases complain about a lot. They don't necessarily overlap. Skyward Sword is so far from a bad game. It's just something Zelda fans criticize a lot for one reason or another.
If anything, if a game makes the "bad" list nowadays, I'm more likely to try it to see what the fuss is about. The worst a game can be is boring, but I'll give 'em at least a shot.
free yourself from thinking there's an objective good game design, games are a lot more fun after that
I love playing bad games. They help keep a good middle ground so I can recognize when something is truly great. It's also a fun challenge, I don't know. Metascores speak for themselves for these entries:
Rogue Warrior - Hilarious. Can be completed in 1.5 hours and I unironically like this game.
Hour of Victory - Supposed CoD killer. Nope.
Sniper: Ghost Warrior - Every trope of the time, poorly executed.
Classified: The Sentinel Crisis - Just... bland. Also, no one's ever heard of this.
Soldier of Fortune: Payback - Modern military shooter published by Activision in Nov 2007. Wait...
Sonic Free Riders - Unplayable (Kinect game).
Resident Evil Survivor - "It's your mother!"
Fast & Furious: Showdown - Cheese with bad controls.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 - Bad controls with bad cheese.
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men - Could have been good.
Call of Duty: Black Ops Declassified - Ctrl C + Ctrl V, but cut along the way.
For every critical flaw in the games above, I recognize when a game gets it right. A proper console CoD game's controls are the standard for a game where you can aim down sights, Tony Hawk's recent remake nailed the arcade feel, Forza Horizon gets driving physics just right...
Rogue Warrior - Hilarious. Can be completed in 1.5 hours and I unironically like this game.
Hour of Victory - Supposed CoD killer. Nope.
Sniper: Ghost Warrior - Every trope of the time, poorly executed.
Classified: The Sentinel Crisis - Just... bland. Also, no one's ever heard of this.
Soldier of Fortune: Payback - Modern military shooter published by Activision in Nov 2007. Wait...
Sonic Free Riders - Unplayable (Kinect game).
Resident Evil Survivor - "It's your mother!"
Fast & Furious: Showdown - Cheese with bad controls.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 - Bad controls with bad cheese.
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men - Could have been good.
Call of Duty: Black Ops Declassified - Ctrl C + Ctrl V, but cut along the way.
For every critical flaw in the games above, I recognize when a game gets it right. A proper console CoD game's controls are the standard for a game where you can aim down sights, Tony Hawk's recent remake nailed the arcade feel, Forza Horizon gets driving physics just right...
Yeah same
Honestly there aren't many games I don't enjoy for what they are. Try to stay away from comparisons and just ask "am I having fun?" where fun can mean it feels great to play, or the art and music are really enjoyable, or you just want to find out what happens next. Maybe I have low standards, but whatever. I like to think of it more as seeing the good and all of the creative effort that went into each game.
Man if the games in the OP are examples of "bad games" I guess most people haven't played the real stinkers.
I've enjoyed a bunch of games that fall out of the 'universal acclaim' norm, including games considered outright trash. Some things just click the right way, and my enjoyment of a game isn't contingent on its overall reception.
I've enjoyed a bunch of games that fall out of the 'universal acclaim' norm, including games considered outright trash. Some things just click the right way, and my enjoyment of a game isn't contingent on its overall reception.
I know. All of the games that the OP listed range from medicore/average to good in my eyes. When I think of actual bad games, I think of shit like Superman 64, Action 52, Big Rigs Over the Road Racing, Life of Black Tiger, Shaq Fu, Hong Kong 97, Bubsy 3D, etc. Not Zelda II, Skyward Sword or FFXV.
How 'bad' is bad anyway?
Suikoden 4, Secret of Evermore, FFXV were playable & functional at least.
Suikoden 4, Secret of Evermore, FFXV were playable & functional at least.
There's a more worthwhile discussion here about how generally poor Era is about having nuanced takes about games. Like 85% of the titles popping up in this thread aren't even in the same ballpark as "bad". FFXV? Skyward Sword? Lol what
A lotta people hate on ODST & Reach when they're probably my favorite games in the Halo franchise. I like MGS4 but precisely because I also consider it a train wreck and its existence is fascinating to me.
I do often like the Black Sheep in game series. Many times I struggle to understand why they're hated and why the best is so liked, as I'll often dislike what is commonly regarded as the best.
I was going to reply differently but seeing as Skyward Sword is lumped in the same category as Other M all I can say is that kind of "bad" is highly subjective so yes I do enjoy them.
On the topic of Other M, it's not that it's bad as such, but it's so painfully mediocre that it's not worth our time.
On the topic of Other M, it's not that it's bad as such, but it's so painfully mediocre that it's not worth our time.
If they have an interesting thing going for them then I might still have a good time. For example, Rain World. Regardless of whether you find it good or "bad', it didn't review well and I see why. It isn't always "fun" to play. But it's a game that's engaged me more than a lot of titles from last-gen.
I think it's incredibly harsh to call FFXV a bad game.
Did it live up to the hype? Not really.
Are there poor, even unfinished aspects? Absolutely.
But when you balance what it did poorly with what it did well, I think it can be classed as a solid game, albeit with room for improvement.
I love the characters and the road trip vibe. The world is gorgeous. The combat is fun.
I would urge people who played it upon first release to go back and give it a second swing with the Royal Edition, where the DLC really helps to flesh it out a bit and with somewhat tempered expectations now that the dust is settled and the hype is gone.
There really is a lot to enjoy.
Did it live up to the hype? Not really.
Are there poor, even unfinished aspects? Absolutely.
But when you balance what it did poorly with what it did well, I think it can be classed as a solid game, albeit with room for improvement.
I love the characters and the road trip vibe. The world is gorgeous. The combat is fun.
I would urge people who played it upon first release to go back and give it a second swing with the Royal Edition, where the DLC really helps to flesh it out a bit and with somewhat tempered expectations now that the dust is settled and the hype is gone.
There really is a lot to enjoy.
I'm trudging through Days Gone right now, it's an alright podcast games if you skip the badly writen, badly paced, melodramatic cutscenes.
I don't think any of those games are 'bad' games. They just aren't going to win any popularity contests within even their own franchise due to various widely disliked elements. There are tons of games where my favourite one in the franchise differs from the most common options, or where their critical reception hovers around 'average' but I adored it.
I can't even think of a 'bad' game I've even played in the last decade. The worst thing I can throw at most games I've played isnt that they had aspects I didn't want in x franchise, which tends to be the stuff I'll moan about on here, but more that they were mediocre and did nothing memorable to stand out at all. In which case I'll likely not even remember them a year later.
I did play tons of actual bad games on the Amstrad though. And paying £40 for Bayou Billy on the NES is something I'll always remember. Now that was a bad game :D
I can't even think of a 'bad' game I've even played in the last decade. The worst thing I can throw at most games I've played isnt that they had aspects I didn't want in x franchise, which tends to be the stuff I'll moan about on here, but more that they were mediocre and did nothing memorable to stand out at all. In which case I'll likely not even remember them a year later.
I did play tons of actual bad games on the Amstrad though. And paying £40 for Bayou Billy on the NES is something I'll always remember. Now that was a bad game :D
Came in thinking this would be about actual bad games, which I do enjoy. Gotta play a few shitty games every once in a while to cleanse the palate.
You're right. And it doesn't help that Era's bubble is not just thick, it's also made out of the hardest concrete possible. People actually repeat things they see here and think """"""all the gamers""""""" think it.
Eh, most are aware they're in a bubble here, I think. And as far as bubbles go it seems to me it's one of the better bubbles in videogames. I just get a little frustrated that we all tend to talk like the things we like are the best and the things we don't are the worst. I'm also not the best at letting the harsher criticisms of games I like roll off my back and instead at times come away feeling like I'm wrong to like something, it's not a feeling I take too seriously, but it's one that does hit me.