I don't like that it uses such drastically different hardware. I personally think it fucks up Xbox development. I think a lot of the issues series X ports have had compared to ps5 is directly caused by having to focus on series s. My personal opinion is digital consoles are nothing but e-waste. They have zero value on the used market since you can't carry games with you.
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Do you consider the Xbox Series S a genius move from Microsoft? Did they think of the components shortage when designing it?
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I'll probably grab one and never upgrade.
When i comes to MS first party, The Series S is perfectly positioned to be "good enough" for what I'll ask of it.
If I need the sort of performance that can only be achieved locally, I'll play on Series S. Otherwise I'll stream via Gamepass.
Thats not drastically different hardware. Just lower spec of the same hardware.
I would argue the series x id the best designed and functioning console I have ever owned - Andi have had nearly all of them since the NES
The transition from the Xbox one was also totally seamless.
It should be a blueprint on how to release a new generation of console
The transition from the Xbox one was also totally seamless.
It should be a blueprint on how to release a new generation of console
If by saying it's the same hardware, then a 3050 GPU is the same hardware as a 3080. It's based on the same platform, but the hardware is completely different.
And what I meant, really was spec being drastically different. The Series S is underperforming in a lot of games.
I am actually impressed by this post; nearly every sentence is factually wrong.
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scratch the "nearly", We batting 1000 here chief 🤣
Can't say I noticed a big lack of Nintendo enthusiasts here. Did something happen that caused them to leave?
It must be a manufacturing loophole, because it has always been available here (Switzerland) since its launch and even slashing the price by 25% (MediaMarkt) to roughly $220 hasn't depleted stock...
Either that or nobody wants the thing.
Either that or nobody wants the thing.
I'm not going to go into it here but most of the more well known of that group left and now post on a new forum that they created.
It's actually really impressive how well it's doing considering there are so few next-gen only games to really push the console to casuals. The end of this year is when it should really start to pick up steam.
If you had a PS4 Pro, you just made an own goal.
Also, nice drive by.
Mid gen upgrades, while novel in and of themselves, are not at all the same as launching with two completely separate models at launch. Again, if it were the same Sony would've done it as well.
Think about it, if they (digital) have zero value nobody would be buying it. Speaking of e-waste, think of all the landfill waste by having physical copies you don't need, people just transfer them to the SSD anyways, nobody plays off of disks anymore.
Focus more on architecture like 3080 vs 3060. Not 3080 vs 2080.
1080p doesn't require half the GPU of 4K.
1080p is 25% pixel count of 4K.
I managed to get a Series X a week ago from yesterday but I'm afraid to open it. Copy of Elden Ring just sitting there, too. Idk why I can't bring myself to open it.
They are right unfortunately.
SoC prices used to be a big part that allowed that drop, but this time they designed it using the bleeding edge process at the time, and the next smaller size is really expensive to use, nevermind the fact that it's pretty much monopolized by Apple.
Going from (TSMC PR) 7nm to 4nm or 3nm isn't going to give a 50% increase in yield. More like 25%, maybe 30% with optimized layouts.
Series X at 399 would be a loss with every console for years.
Supply constraints made it even more difficult to lower manufacturing prices. If anything, they seem to be going up.
No matter how you try to take this post, it never actually makes any sense.
Their post history tells you what was the intention.
Joke's on them because they did have a PS4
I had a Pro and One X too, so you aren't going to see me post trash like that
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I forgot about this. They were right… but had no idea at the time just how right they were.
I don't know if it was a "genius" move or how much foresight they had over the current shortages.. but I do think the Series S was a phenomenal idea more generally.
As is often the case on the internet, a lot of the people moaning about the Series S are folks who can't fathom anything that doesn't directly work for them.
As is often the case on the internet, a lot of the people moaning about the Series S are folks who can't fathom anything that doesn't directly work for them.
Your profile picture is very close to convincing me. I trust you. Is it actually that strong? I have done zero research which is why I think I'm not comfortable. I've been on a huge retro kick lately and I haven't paid too much attention to modern games since Monster Hunter Rise, really.
It was a cool idea, probably just price over shortages or stuff like that. I do hope it has legs and next gen games built on newer techniques give it a little boost.
Being so small, compact, power efficiency etc. Amazing little thing right for many people and opens a lot of doors. Smart play by Xbox team.
Being so small, compact, power efficiency etc. Amazing little thing right for many people and opens a lot of doors. Smart play by Xbox team.
The Series S is about the power of a 5500 XT but you aren't going to get anywhere pointing out the realities of how hard next-gen exclusives are going to hit such a GPU. Just let them find out.
This would be more relevant a technical perspective if the Series X was running games at native 4K, but it's not doing that.
I think it was a good move by MS, considering there are still a market for those who just want a cheap console and dont really care about 4K and whatnot. Calling it a genius move might be tad bit hyperbolic, but it seems to be working out for them so far. It remains to be seen how well it will run newer releases well into this gen of course. On the other hand there are people playing Elden Ring on original Xbox One without caring about that performance 🤷♂️
Upscaling to 1080p is a thing… just like upscaling to 4K.
I think people keep forgetting that the device is literally for people who want the next gen gameplay, but for their $ are less concerned about the visuals.
I like the Series S but it's not really a genius move to basically keep the fundamentals of what's worked in the past, which is a lower price point for consumers. I think it was likely well designed to be efficient from a manufacturing perspective, but that would have been beneficial regardless of a chip shortage that they definitely couldn't have foreseen. If anything was genius, it was making it so small! It being cute was a non-negligible reason for why I bought one despite having a Series X.
When it was announced, I liked the idea but wasn't sure if it was a great value proposition compared to a PS5 DE at 399, but after buying that version of the PS5 and realizing how much more expensive it is to game over there, and how massive the machine is, I fully came around. I am not sure if they got the specs exactly right (the memory speed seems like it could be a bottleneck) but I'm keeping an open mind while we get through this cross-gen period.
When it was announced, I liked the idea but wasn't sure if it was a great value proposition compared to a PS5 DE at 399, but after buying that version of the PS5 and realizing how much more expensive it is to game over there, and how massive the machine is, I fully came around. I am not sure if they got the specs exactly right (the memory speed seems like it could be a bottleneck) but I'm keeping an open mind while we get through this cross-gen period.
Discussing the technical merits and prospects of a console is a conversation which is completely divorced from why Microsoft created it, and to whom it is marketed.
People on this enthusiast forum constantly dropping the assertion than the difference in GPU between XSS and XSX is simply dropping resolution deserves pushback to dissolve the misinformation. Even if it's unintentional, it's still blatantly false.
Definitely a genius move. don't know if they envisaged the chip shortage when building the xss though.
I'm sure Microsoft will ensure all their first party games run well on the SeS. Hell, Forza Horizon 5 still runs decently on an original Xbox One.
I think pretty much everything is outselling the PS4 month to month now? Some months the Series S has been selling more than the Switch and PS5 in some countries, never mind the PS4.
They didnt know covid and the chip shortage were coming, but they did know it was much easier to manufacture compared to Series X.
The PS4 isn't selling because it's also not regularly in stock anywhere
Heads up they are the same, they're both based off the Ampere architecture. The 3050 is just less capable in every way.
Guess what, Xbox games are all hitting PC so in theory PC is the actual bottleneck so you didn't even get that right.
Well yeah, that's one of the reasons that the answer to 'is it outselling the PS4' is 'yes'
I don't think the PS4 is really selling very much anymore. They've discontinued most of the models.