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Do you consider Black Panther, unequivocally, the best MCU film?
- Thread starter ThousandEyes
- Start date
No. I hate saying it because I feel like people always side-eye this sentiment...but it was a thoroughly average movie to me.
I get that it's an important film for a lot of people, but much of the social commentary felt pretty surface level imo. And as a comic book film - the action is poor and the CGI is terrible. Killmonger had some great lines, but his ability to take over Wakanda seemed incredibly contrived. I mean shit, Daniel Kaluuya's character betrayed his wife and lifelong best friend because they didn't kill Klaw on the first attempt in front of everyone? T'Challa was also somehow super bland here after an awesome introduction in Civil War.
Wakanda and Shuri are the best things to come out of it.
I get that it's an important film for a lot of people, but much of the social commentary felt pretty surface level imo. And as a comic book film - the action is poor and the CGI is terrible. Killmonger had some great lines, but his ability to take over Wakanda seemed incredibly contrived. I mean shit, Daniel Kaluuya's character betrayed his wife and lifelong best friend because they didn't kill Klaw on the first attempt in front of everyone? T'Challa was also somehow super bland here after an awesome introduction in Civil War.
Wakanda and Shuri are the best things to come out of it.
Loved it, think I saw it about 4 times in theaters. My top 5 changes every other month but it's up there for me. The soundtrack, the villain and the humor was perfect imo. I came out wanting more M'Baku too which I never thought I'd say.
I know that. Its a reminder to everyone that its better than most marvel films.
I guess that's where Klaw gets arrested so you kind of got an ending.
I mean, it's one of the only ones with anything interesting to say. Hell, it one of the few MCU movies with like... themes. At all. It's pretty much just BP, the Guardians movies, and charitably Iron Man 1/3 and Captain Marvel.
Whos klaw? Black panther right?
There was a fist fight in arena where he lost and I had enough lol.
But I saw him in avengers so he came back I guess.
GOD I would have loved a Killmonger presence in the last couple Avengers movies. Could you imagine?
Avengers has always been the best one, and that's because it does what the MCU does best: be a fun movie.
And calling BP's themes "deep" is honestly more than a little generous. Killmonger's motivations are deep compared to the paper-thin themes of ant-man and captain marvel, but taken on their own he's pretty simple. At the end of the film complex socopolitical systems of white supremacy are ignored in favor of CGI rhino fights...
And calling BP's themes "deep" is honestly more than a little generous. Killmonger's motivations are deep compared to the paper-thin themes of ant-man and captain marvel, but taken on their own he's pretty simple. At the end of the film complex socopolitical systems of white supremacy are ignored in favor of CGI rhino fights...
Ragnarok for me.
Black Panther had some high highs but some super low lows. The CGI brawling really blows.
Black Panther had some high highs but some super low lows. The CGI brawling really blows.
Andy Serkis, the guy who causes trouble at the night club who has a claw and they're trying to hunt.
It's pretty mid-tier. It's weird, I came around on it after several months and now I'm back to where I was on thinking it's good but not really stand-out at all. It has a genuine message, some of the better characters in the franchise, and a genuine heart, but also some of the worst action and a story that still feels kind of cliche.
It's Ragnarok or the original Guardians of the Galaxy for me. If Black Panther had stronger visuals it would be up there(the costumes and shit were great. Don't get me wrong).
Depends on my mood. It's firmly entrenched in the top 3 for me, alongside Endgame and Infinity War.
It's insane to me that 2018 had it, Infinity War, and Into the Spider-Verse, all 3 of which hold a strong argument for being the greatest comic films of all time.
It's insane to me that 2018 had it, Infinity War, and Into the Spider-Verse, all 3 of which hold a strong argument for being the greatest comic films of all time.
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Always found it odd he was specific that "he killed my mom" and didn't mention his father
Not even top 5
Iron Man
Avengers Assemble
Endgame
Civil War
Doctor Strange
Guardians 1
Winter Soldier
Spiderman FFH
All better for me
Iron Man
Avengers Assemble
Endgame
Civil War
Doctor Strange
Guardians 1
Winter Soldier
Spiderman FFH
All better for me
It's efficient. Also Tony wasn't always his fathers biggest fan.
Aside: Black Panther stops Zemo's suicide, for justice.
it's a good movie but not the best, here is why
1- Vibranium solves everything got tiresome quickly
2- Purples Suit is lame. OG Suit was better.
3- Eric Killmonger didn't have enough runtime as King, the pace moved too quickly after his coronation.
1- Vibranium solves everything got tiresome quickly
2- Purples Suit is lame. OG Suit was better.
3- Eric Killmonger didn't have enough runtime as King, the pace moved too quickly after his coronation.
GOTG and Ragnarok are my favorite
BP was just ok. And the dude as a character kinda sucked shit. I thought he was way cooler in CW and the Avengers flicks than he was in his own.
BP was just ok. And the dude as a character kinda sucked shit. I thought he was way cooler in CW and the Avengers flicks than he was in his own.
Love this video.
Boost's Civil War and Winter Soldier even higher.
Boost's Civil War and Winter Soldier even higher.
I found the last battle horribly boring, but the rest of the film is great. Winter Soldier still outpaces it.
Just saying. People claim MCU plays it safe and doesn't have consequences. This movie caused a major rift in the Avengers and honestly, the Stark murders should be R rated. They are a slightly less graphic version of the murder via bottle in Pan's Labyrinth.
Definitely not. I enjoy the movie, but I have a few problems with it.
The CG is definitely some of the worst in the MCU. I also thought Chadwick Boseman to be pretty boring tbh. I felt the movie was carried by Michael B Jordan and Letitia Wright (Shuri).
I'd probably put it in the 8-12 range.
The CG is definitely some of the worst in the MCU. I also thought Chadwick Boseman to be pretty boring tbh. I felt the movie was carried by Michael B Jordan and Letitia Wright (Shuri).
I'd probably put it in the 8-12 range.
Black Panther was a good MCU film, but certainly not the best MCU film, in my opinion. The T'Challa character was actually better in Civil War, I thought. The climactic battle at the end was REALLY WEAK, sorry. Too dark (I mean brightness. Not tone.) and obviously too much no-great CGI. I'd have loved a gritty James Bond-style fistfight across jungles and streams or what have you. Not CGI trains etc. I don't mean to be negative about the film though, it was still very enjoyable to me.
No.
But, a film should have themes which it throughly explores and executes. Merely touching upon a theme or briefly presenting it is not exploring it.
You can have a basic theme of "the power of friendship" or "what does it mean to do the right thing?" And, if you throughly explore it then you can get great films like Empire Strikes Back or ET. Marvel films often think presenting a theme or question is the same as exploring it.
All of those films are painfully mediocre, like eating cardboard.
Blank Panther is at least like eating marinated tofu.