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Do you believe in God?
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Thirteen years at a Christian university. It's all mental gymnastics.
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Both of them are just assumptions though, in order to believe either gods or aliens you'd have to make a leap that just isn't currently there.
I explained why the leaps are fundamentally different and not just in degree.
Equivocating both is highly fallacious.
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I'm going to equivocate both because I view believing in both as wrong with our current knowledge.
It's not the same thing, we literally exist so we have an example of life that could just be somewhere else but we just haven't found it yet.
We don't have a single example of a god, it's very easy to see how it's a false equivalency to say it's the same.
One is not currently demonstrated but plausible and maybe even likely given our understanding of the natural world.
The other is a completely made up thing with zero support that doesn't not only make sense with what we understand about reality but may be fundamentally illogical.
But go ahead and equivocate to feel better.
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We don't have a single example of a god, and we also don't have a single example of a lifeform originating from another planet.
Then you are an atheist.
Atheism is not the hard position that no god exists. It is only a lack of belief in the positive claim that a god exists. You can reject a proposition as true without necessarily endorsing the opposite. If you do not believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's just how words work. So congrats, you're an agnostic atheist like most of us here.
I don't get how you read what I said and didn't get how there's a huge difference.
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It seems to me that's just an attempt to justify belief in aliens without seeming contradictory to belief in gods, when the whole reason I don't believe in gods is a lack of evidence, same with aliens.
But we live on a planet on a certain distance from a sun under certain conditions. The chance that there is another planet somewhere in the universe with similar conditions is very high. So the chance that there is some sort life somewhere else in the universe is very high.
We (or; life-forms on our planet) are the evidence that the chances of alien life is probable / plausible. So the leap isn't the same or quite as large imo.
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One thing I've learned from this thread is people truly lack logical critical thinking.....it terrifying.
The question is, if it happens, will you reconsider your faith?
Lots of stuff from the bible have already been proven wrong, but the church always changes their stance on stuff.
I already said belief in aliens isn't yet justified.
Belief in the possibility of life outside of earth has some supporting evidence.
That's not the same as gods.
You're committing a fallacy for equivocating
It looks kinda bad for all religion when we're reminded that there are more religions and ideas of god(s) than we can count, and many followers out there claim with absolute certainty to have a close relationship/connection with god(s), yet there's massive disagreement on things like who god is, what they want, where they are, etc. It's much easier to just ignore all the competing god claims.im kind of wondering why we dont see more arguments between theists in threads like this
atheists for the most part simply aren't convinced by the claims, but theists by definition think that competing theistic claims are flat out false
i'd honestly like to see that perspective more often, although now that i think about it i guess it just ends up looking like this
We know of mechanisms that could potentially allow for life to form, and we have precedent for life forming in this way, and we guess that multitudes of planets should exist with the right conditions for those mechanisms to take place and result in life. Do we have anything similar for god? What lab-tested mechanisms could contribute to the formation of a god? Do we know that a god has been born at least once before? Do we know what the necessary conditions are for god to exist, and if those conditions exist somewhere?
I believe in God. I'm a Christian. Don't know if anyone has linked this yet, but reasonablefaith.Org is a good resource for theists who are looking for answers to common and not so common tough questions.
It depends on where you stand. You can believe in a God or in a Self-Creating Universe and still be logical. It's more when people make claims instead of opinions.
As an Agnostic Theist I believe in a god, but I don't think that makes my choice more logical than the other. If I did then I would have to provide some sort of evidence and if I can't do that then it makes me illogical. This works for both sides of the argument.
Not talking about your choice in believing in God. More people treating 100s of years of research of math space and evolution as worthless trash. We kenow so much about our planet, our history, our universe yet people don't find that information interesting so they ignored or act like it doesn't exist.
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Of course I will, my position isn't that aliens don't exist, it's that I'm not going to believe in them until they are confirmed to exist.
Do you put the belief in god in the same footing and belief in alien life when it comes to evidence of it existing? Which one is closer to being proved to exist, in your opinion?
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It doesn't really matter which one is "closer" to being proven to exist when neither of them have.
Dont know if someone already asked you this, but what about evolution, you accept that as fact or you think it still need to be proven?
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I accept evolution as fact, because we have proof of evolution happening.
I always wondered why humans are the only species that "worship gods". I mean earth alone has nearly 8.7 million species yet Homo Sapiens are the only one who believes in "divine being".
Personally, i don't believe in gods.
Personally, i don't believe in gods.
And was it one specific piece of evidence that convinced you that evolution is a fact or a compilation of evidences that science gathered that convinced you?
We're a more intellect species, so the delusions are more grandiose.
Also the religion evolved (haha) from worshiping the Sun to some sophisticated abstract but humanized being with some kind of omnipotent superpowers that spectacularly fails either in showing them or in justify a list of supposed moral obligations. Must be timid.
If some kind of transcended being exists it sure has some kind of biological origins. I don't doubt the future of humankind is to transcend the body limitations.
If some kind of transcended being exists it sure has some kind of biological origins. I don't doubt the future of humankind is to transcend the body limitations.
Humans are a lot more curious and creative than other creatures. We also form complex societies which is pretty important for religion
How do you know that some Dolphins, or Apes, or Ravens or Dogs don't believe in a god or gods plural?
What is your evidence that they don't?
Yeah, you're right. I've read many religious books written by moles and rats.
Wasn't it "evidence" that a god exists because of the scriptures?
Nope, don't now and never did in the past. i didn't have a religious upbringing and while I could appreciate the cultural aspects, the idea of an actual god or miracles was never something I could suspend my disbelief enough to accept.
Funny how the "true religion" tends to be the one you're born into and raised with.
Funny how the "true religion" tends to be the one you're born into and raised with.
Religious threads really bring out the....lesser informed people out there.
Let me put it in a nice way.
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I don't believe in god.
I'm starting to believe, more and more, that we live in a construct. The creator of this construct, I guess, you could call god, but not in the way that "books" describe him.
Also, I can understand that some people need something to believe in when times are tough.
I'm starting to believe, more and more, that we live in a construct. The creator of this construct, I guess, you could call god, but not in the way that "books" describe him.
Also, I can understand that some people need something to believe in when times are tough.
How strict is the gnostic/agnostic lable?
Like, I acknowledge that there is no such thing as 100% certainty, but I am about as sure that there is no god as I am sure that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny.
Does this make me a gnostic or agnostic atheist?
Edit: I chose gnostic. I feel like if I don't qualify as a gnostic atheist no one would.
Like, I acknowledge that there is no such thing as 100% certainty, but I am about as sure that there is no god as I am sure that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny.
Does this make me a gnostic or agnostic atheist?
Edit: I chose gnostic. I feel like if I don't qualify as a gnostic atheist no one would.
People tend to have a hard time accepting that they only live a temporary existence and death is inevitable.
Imho that's the reason why we pretty much every religion has a way of rebirthing or continue living in another place / form as their basis.
What was this god entity doing all this time before humans showed up? If the whole lifetime of the universe was a day, humans would have only been alive for the last 4 seconds. Maybe God is just really new to this whole God thing and created us as a test run. Give em more time.
He created the universe, then took a nap and put the alarm clock just in time to watch us masturbate.