Evolution is not simply one animal transforming into a different animal like some kinda animorps book cover.
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Do you believe in God?
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How many land species were on the ark?
How many land species are alive today?
The only way the story of the ark can be 100% true, is if speciation can occur. The story of the ark *needs* speciation. It cannot be true without it.
You can't fit all the genes that exist in say, dogs, into two dogs. Either new traits (and therefor eventually species) can evolve, or the story of the ark is fable meant to teach a message and not a literal truth.
you don't need the fossil record. it's happening all the time and has been observed. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/evolution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/
There's no possible way you can be that dumb. It's just not possible...
PLEASE be a troll.
Evolution is a true and provable science. Every example you have been given you have chose to blatantly ignore. Mostly because it doesnt fit your bullshit narrative.
What is it then? Explain it, don't point to a video, or a book, explain it simply in your own words.
It is. If you have an infinite amount of tries then one try will be a perfect match. Why do you start to deny basic math as well?
No amount of logic can get you to God(or maybe you found a logical argument that nobody ever found before but I somehow doubt it), revelation is necessarily a first person experience and is useless to anyone not experiencing it. Scripture is a useless pile of garbage and has no explanatory power until demonstrated otherwise. And finally inference or inductive reasoning is fine and dandy but it is a minefield of fallacies and motivated reasoning traps, it must be used in conjunction with deductive reasoning in a carefully constructed framework like the scientific method.
And "the high and mighty deity" is the claim so it can't be the evidence at the same time that's not how logic works.
I think people can't truly fathom the scale of time evolution has had and continues to have to iteratively and recursively occur as an entire system, nor the complexity there is beyond natural selection.
I'm not sure you fully grasp the sheer randomness of life in general, both on a genetic level and a species domographical level.
Good luck getting through with this point. I just got 'BUT THE FOSSIL RECORD' in response.
My explanation wasn't predicated on evolution being true. I merely illustrated the traits the animal shares between two forms.
Why do you think their shared origin means they should be able to reproduce in the future? That seems like a non sequiter. Also, the example I gave you was speciation in action. We know that species that used to be able to create offspring together can drift apart genetically and no longer reproduce. That's what ring species show us.
It's life showing random mutations that, carried through generations over an extended period of time (we're talking millions of years,) ultimately results in a species becoming a different one.
As to why they can't breed with each other: say you have a wooden rod that can pass through a round hole. Every day you add a bit of clay to the rod for a full year, until it becomes a brick. You're asking "why isn't my brick fitting through the hole anymore?"
EVERY SINGLE WORD OF IT. It's a fictional tale.
It's a FAIRY TALE.
That goes for any other religious "scripture" as well.
Here's some zingers from the Bible
• Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
• Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.
• Ezekiel 18:13 He lends at interest and takes a profit. Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head.
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
It's a tool of control for the weak minded masses at the time. Shame so many still buy into it.
This is not evidence of one species of an animal in the process of making the leap to another.
The author of the article refers to flowers of like type making a new hybrid.
Flowers...
Really?
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You can't disprove evolution without explaining speciation through some other means.
If your stance is 'evolution isn't real because dogs don't turn into cats', you can't disprove evolution with that. Whatever you propose as the new explanation MUST explain everything we witness both in the heralded fossil record and in recent human memory. In recent human memory, we have introduced species to new environments and witnessed speciation occurring. Speciation is real. Species are witnessed as changing over time also. Diversification is real.
You have to explain ALL of this with any new theory.
If your stance is 'evolution isn't real because dogs don't turn into cats', you can't disprove evolution with that. Whatever you propose as the new explanation MUST explain everything we witness both in the heralded fossil record and in recent human memory. In recent human memory, we have introduced species to new environments and witnessed speciation occurring. Speciation is real. Species are witnessed as changing over time also. Diversification is real.
You have to explain ALL of this with any new theory.
I don't see how that constitutes "a fairy tale."
Do you like Proverbs?
Any value there?
Ah thanks, that makes sense. I misunderstood the meaning I think.
Great post by the way, I fully agree with you.
A hybrid, eh? So some sort of combination; something that's midway between two other things. Interesting.
Watch his next reply be "but how can that happen if the earth is only 6000 years old" or some shit like that
It refers to a new species being created.
It is an example of speciation (there are other types too)... because if the new flower, can only breed with like flowers, and it didn't exist before... it is by definition a new species.
That's what a species is. Something that either cannot, or does not, produce fertile offspring outside of its kind.
If mules were fertile, and COULDN'T reproduce with Donkeys or Horses and could only reproduce with other mules, they would be a new species.
Donkeys and Horses are separate species, but still genetically close enough to have infertile offspring.
They are by definition two different species.
A mule is by definition not a species.
This new flower is a new species.
Most religious people don't even know about those citations because they never read these "holy scriptures". All Abrahamic scriptures have evil crap like that.
The majority of religious people I've met have created their own warped version of a religion. But that's not how it works.
But there is no evidence of your claim? Your postulate does not hold water. If your claim is true there would be evidence in the fossil record. There isn't any.
as to your second point:
Scientists, have been daring the devil, via invitro methods, or lab work to get one species ovum to mingle with the sperm of another species, try as they might, to no avail.
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This is literally what you're doing. There's no point in debating you anymore.
Nice. I lived there for 5 years in the Lakenheath/Brandon area. We went to church there as well and this was not a belief they peddled.
I'm Christian by choice and believe evolution is a tool to facilitate a universe with obvious rules in place. A lot of Christians and atheists alike treat the Bible like a history book instead of a spiritual one... especially considering the amount of human hands it went through to get to where it is now.
As an aside for anyone unaccustomed to seeing or dealing with this type of hostility (in actual theists), Darkmatter2525 did an excellent video illustrating why you'll encounter people like that. Basically, it's tied to the ego.
Wait, do you think Evolution is when two different species do the hunka chunka?
Evolution is disproved by it's preposterous, unsupported claims.
You say there is record of one species leaping into another midway - show me.
Only adapation of a species has been observed, and recorded, never the giant leap.
Oh I know. It's amazing.
You want to talk to people who are educated on religions.. talk to an atheist. They were the ones that actually paid attention and realized it's all nonsense.
You want to to go to a place that openly practices exclusion and hatred... go to a church.
Gay? GET OUT, YOU WILL BURN IN HELL!
Inter-racial marriage? GET OUT, YOU WILL BURN IN HELL!
Any other religion? GET OUT... oh you get the point.
There is evidence in the fossil record but each time something is found that has hybrid features exactly when scientists predicted they should be found in the fossil record believers dismiss them as fully formed "kinds" or species that don't prove anything according to them. Go read about tiktaalik for example and educate yourself about evolution which is by the way one of the most profoundly tested and confirmed scientific theory in existence.
The experiences with human are demonstrable. It's not the same AT ALL.
Ironically. It is something a human is giving you. Whether it's the author or just yourself.
That kind of passage I think sounds nice but I actually think is morally repugnant. Does that mean that if you don't love god let or believe he exists bad things should happen to you? Or if you believe and love god and something horrible happens to you it has to be twisted into meaning that it's actually good for you?
Sorry but that kind of passage is only comforting on the surface. A deeper evaluation makes it pretty disturbing.
That's it I'm calling Poe right there with this crocoduck level stupidity.
