I don't believe in the concept of a god. From my viewpoint there is no god. But I couldn't care less if there would be one.
everyone can believe what he or she want.
everyone can believe what he or she want.
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Do you believe in God?
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Being Apatheist I guess is what helped me get out of my super conservative upbringing. Like, I distinctly remember realizing I didn't actually have to answer a bunch of questions about 'what is right/wrong?' or 'what is love?' Finally realizing it was fine to say "who knows? I don't really care" was super helpful to me.
But I'd probably really call my self gnostic atheist nowadays. I don't think there is anything.
But I'd probably really call my self gnostic atheist nowadays. I don't think there is anything.
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After the sexual, physical and emotional abuse I suffered as a child in the church, there is an ice cubes chance on the surface of the sun that I would ever trust religion again.
Ah the good old "but look at the trees" argument never fails to be hilarious.
The fuck...why cant I just choose NORMAL agnostic, ie, i dont know shit and am just as open to bearded man on cloud up in heaven as I am to black nothing when we die?
I've already said it more than once but so much here reminds me of Ray Comfort's and I guess apologetics in general's bad faith arguments.
I hate letting this get more views but so much of this topic.
I hate letting this get more views but so much of this topic.
I'm only talking for myself here. I'm not saying people who don't believe don't see beauty or meaning in life. It's just that for me it's personally meaningless if I can't believe there a reason behind creation.
I personally don't believe in a god and don't think any supernatural stuff is going on.
But then again i can't deny that there're facts in this world/universe i can't explain or understand.
The universe is expanding. That's a fact. For it to be able to expand there must be "room" around it into which it can expand. But that doesn't make sense because there can't be something behind everything as nothing is eternal.
Same with time or the universe itself. It has a beginning. But what was before that, or even before that.
THese are questions where i can absolutely understand some people taking the "easy way out and pointing to god. Or simply can't believe how this could be possible without a greater lifeform.
But then we must ask us who made the god, etc. and the whole thing starts over again.
This is beyond our understanding.
But then again i can't deny that there're facts in this world/universe i can't explain or understand.
The universe is expanding. That's a fact. For it to be able to expand there must be "room" around it into which it can expand. But that doesn't make sense because there can't be something behind everything as nothing is eternal.
Same with time or the universe itself. It has a beginning. But what was before that, or even before that.
THese are questions where i can absolutely understand some people taking the "easy way out and pointing to god. Or simply can't believe how this could be possible without a greater lifeform.
But then we must ask us who made the god, etc. and the whole thing starts over again.
This is beyond our understanding.
If there is something that makes people happy, gives them a meaning of life and perhaps helps them getting through hard shit i'm the last person on earth to question that.
I don't really know what I am. I tend to think I do believe in God but yet if there is a God, I wish they'd do something and tell humans to stop ruining his/her/ creations.
Then if we say God created the earth and so on, then who created God? How did God come into existance?
Then if we say God created the earth and so on, then who created God? How did God come into existance?
That somethings escapes the grasp of our common sense doesn't make it beyond our understanding. We have created mathematical models of universes that obviously are not our own with added microscopic dimensions that we can understand. Also the fabric of the universe the substrate that is space time is expanding it doesn't expand into something. Our intuition about the way stuff works at our scale fails to capture the way the universe works at the scale of the universe or the quantum level without math involved.
Without really commenting on your particular position
This is pretty much Anselm of Canterbury territory here (I think, if somebody more knowledgeable wants to chime in, feel free). The big problem I see with this thinking is that what theists define as god started as a vast ocean but over time will wither away into a puddle. If god is the thing that we can't understand (yet), god gets smaller and smaller every day.
Therefore I don't think this is a good argument to make.
why? Isn't it their decision what kind of imaginary higher power they want to believe in? As long, they keep it for themselves...
Needs a "as long as these beliefs don't harm anyone" disclaimer.
I'm all over the place
By pure rationality I know that I can't know whether it exists or not
By sentiment or intuition I feel it doesn't exist
But I kinda wish it would exist
By pure rationality I know that I can't know whether it exists or not
By sentiment or intuition I feel it doesn't exist
But I kinda wish it would exist
The problem is you're looking at this stuff from a human-centric perspective. The expansion of the universe can be like a balloon or dough. Things drift apart despite not magically "creating space" out of nothing.
PBS Spacetime is a great YouTube channel if you have interest in such a topic since they don't obfuscate too much and show you the math and science behind it.
Same with concepts like time: Knowing how the universe works makes you quickly realize that many "existential" questions are irrelevant, since nature doesn't follow any dogmas or logic. Just many coincidences and no "reason". There's no creator's point of view.
We have a very good but incomplete grasp of how the universe works. Just educate and entertain yourself for a while and suddenly not many things are actually beyond our understanding. It really helped me with my existential crises. Me not properly digging into these questions and not satisfying my curiosity was the actual problem. We're naturally terrified of the unknown.
But nowadays you can know and knowing is half the battle!
Confronting the meaninglessnes of life and finding my own meaning if I can is way more interesting to me than accepting someone elses arbitrary invention which magically explains it all.
I believe there may be a God, or Gods, but not necessarily the way humans have portrayed them in various religions.
I think science and religion might believe in the same thing and not even know it.
This is why I think divides between religions are dumb as fuck. Why not just accept we all believe in different interpretations of the same thing? Or maybe they're all right?
What I basically have very little belief in is the idea that we/life is an accident. None of this looks like an accident to me. There are very clear DESIGNS, everywhere you look. That is no accident. A skeleton isn't an accident. A brain isn't an accident. Fuck that noise.
For me the easiest to believe theory is Ancient Alien theory. And Ancient Alien theory is basically a combination of science and religion.
Relying too heavily on either is a mistake I think.
I think science and religion might believe in the same thing and not even know it.
This is why I think divides between religions are dumb as fuck. Why not just accept we all believe in different interpretations of the same thing? Or maybe they're all right?
What I basically have very little belief in is the idea that we/life is an accident. None of this looks like an accident to me. There are very clear DESIGNS, everywhere you look. That is no accident. A skeleton isn't an accident. A brain isn't an accident. Fuck that noise.
For me the easiest to believe theory is Ancient Alien theory. And Ancient Alien theory is basically a combination of science and religion.
Relying too heavily on either is a mistake I think.
Thissss PBS spacetime is amazing.....it has shown me that humans kinda know alot about our universe. Math answers so many questions, and I everytime I hear a religious person say that we know nothing about the universe I just faced palm. Religion thrives off ignorance and fear.
That helps, but then people start not believing real shit like global warming and hide behind the same "we're not hurting anyone" as the planet dies around us. t least habitability-wise. Or anti-vaxx dumbasses bringing back eradicated diseases into our lives. Or that healthcare has to be earned and a good life has to be earned (whatever the fuck that even means). So nah. I think people shouldn't get to believe whatever they fucking wish.
Edit: Axelotl
Oh yeah, nice!
I mean we have actually thousands of years of science, building upon each other's work, expanding our knowledge in the process. Einstein's theory of relativity predicted black holes as a mathematical problem and not too long ago we were able to produce a picture of one. It's just one of many examples how solid and accurate our current understanding of physics are.
Nowhere near perfect, with many questions unanswered but far away from being clueless.
No, I don' t.
There is no reason to. No reason to believe this, somehow special, superstition over all the other ones in the world.
Of course I can't prove to anyone that something outside of the physics that the universe is made of, doesn't exist, so keeping intellectual honesty, I don't proclaim I know the truth, and nothing but the whole truth.
At the same time though, I'm expectin explainations and evidence. People are making quite the claims and profitting up the asshole with them.
Where is their evidence? I mean, rational people would surely like to know where their efforts and money are going, right?
You wouldn't just hand all of your savings to a used-car salesman because he promises you that by buying that car you just got a spot in the V.I.P lounge after your death (probably caused by the shitty car car you just bought), right?
Religion is an Industry. And just like any other industry they want people's money first and foremost.
There certainly are people in my life who are very precious to me, who are firm believers. These are the people who keep their belief PERSONAL. They are the people who think your beliefs are a deeply intimate thing. They don't tell me I'm going to hell to suffer for all eternity if I don't accept their incompetent, yet omniscient, Father figure who actually loves me very much despite having a special torture place for me. Sounds like a good relationship, btw.
They don't bother me, I don't bother them.
Still, I can't say I'm apathetic to the whole thing. The Industry of religion does real harm to humankind in a myriad of ways. Wars, Eucation,Government Policy, everything is tainted by that backwater superstition.
After all, I can't even describe myself as an agnostic Atheist. It's more like an Agnostic Anti-Theist.
There is no reason to. No reason to believe this, somehow special, superstition over all the other ones in the world.
Of course I can't prove to anyone that something outside of the physics that the universe is made of, doesn't exist, so keeping intellectual honesty, I don't proclaim I know the truth, and nothing but the whole truth.
At the same time though, I'm expectin explainations and evidence. People are making quite the claims and profitting up the asshole with them.
Where is their evidence? I mean, rational people would surely like to know where their efforts and money are going, right?
You wouldn't just hand all of your savings to a used-car salesman because he promises you that by buying that car you just got a spot in the V.I.P lounge after your death (probably caused by the shitty car car you just bought), right?
Religion is an Industry. And just like any other industry they want people's money first and foremost.
There certainly are people in my life who are very precious to me, who are firm believers. These are the people who keep their belief PERSONAL. They are the people who think your beliefs are a deeply intimate thing. They don't tell me I'm going to hell to suffer for all eternity if I don't accept their incompetent, yet omniscient, Father figure who actually loves me very much despite having a special torture place for me. Sounds like a good relationship, btw.
They don't bother me, I don't bother them.
Still, I can't say I'm apathetic to the whole thing. The Industry of religion does real harm to humankind in a myriad of ways. Wars, Eucation,Government Policy, everything is tainted by that backwater superstition.
After all, I can't even describe myself as an agnostic Atheist. It's more like an Agnostic Anti-Theist.
...Burden of proof though. I'm not the one claiming this fantastical, immaterial thing. I don't understand how computers work, but I don't immediately leap to "It must be full of magical unicorns that pull the data from another realm"
No of course not till science can prove that there is something that did all of this which we may call god and which is still acting.
Otherwise no of course not. Kill religion, brings more harm than anything else. Fuck all the stupid religion wars in this world where people are killed daily. It harms more than it does good.
Otherwise no of course not. Kill religion, brings more harm than anything else. Fuck all the stupid religion wars in this world where people are killed daily. It harms more than it does good.
I don't believe in God or follow any religion. But I feel equally distant from anyone aggressively opposing religion as I do those following a faith. The Dawkins of this world and the way they inhabit their own intellectual high-ground and look down on followers of religion is abhorrent to me. Even worse, hangers on like Ricky Gervais. It feels really juvenile to be pointing at people and saying "But science!".
So I wouldn't ever call myself agnostic or an atheist or whatever. I'm not any of that, because I really wouldn't want to align myself with people who point and laugh and assume they're somehow superior to others. Religion does bring comfort and peace to people whether you follow it or not, and to diminish that by humiliating and belittling people is cuntish.
So I wouldn't ever call myself agnostic or an atheist or whatever. I'm not any of that, because I really wouldn't want to align myself with people who point and laugh and assume they're somehow superior to others. Religion does bring comfort and peace to people whether you follow it or not, and to diminish that by humiliating and belittling people is cuntish.
Luckily there are religions like that, maybe you should look into it?
These are hardly harmless beliefs now, aren't they?
Because agnosticism is a knowledge claim, not a belief claim. I'll help you realize where you fall easily. Do you believe in a god?
I have no idea how anything you just said has any relation to the posts you are quoting.
I know, but sadly, this is not how internet discussion works. Or faith, for that matter. Theists will never accept the burden of proof. Because that means they'd have to rely on something other than "I just know it in my heart" or "look at this bible paragraph" or something like that.
EDIT: Thinking about it, if religion didn't predate sience by several millenia we'd live in a very different world. As it stands, religion has been here a lot longer, which in my opinion explains this weird stance of "I and a billion other people believe, so why should we explain ourselves".
But you're the God_Of_Phwoar, why would you just lie to me? ON THE INTERNET, no less!
It's a good thing as long as these people realize it a personal, intimate thing they cling to, that gives them hope, warmth, or whatever.
It's another thing if that personal, intimate belief affects the real physical world, especially when it comes into politics.
Your personal belief is now law, and will kill people in the process. THAT is the problem.
And that is why I think there is only ridicule and disgust to share to people so fervently clutching to their faith as an excuse for any abomination.
These people should be mocked all day on live TV and chased out of town, yet it is a basic requirement to profess a deep belief in a specific imaginary friend to become the leader of a HUGE country full of people of different beliefs, genders and races.
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Socially we seem to accept them. or at least a large number of the population does because of Free speech.
To me that was the most liberating thought. After a lot of soul-searching and reading in my younger years i came to the profound conclusion that it was me who was in charge of giving my life meaning.
If you see beauty in life. That's you. And that's great that you experience things that way. You see the beauty in those things. Why do they have to be put there by a designer? Why isn't it just as amazing or even MORE amazing when you consider the processes behind it?
Oh please..... this forum and Ricky Gervais. My lord people are sensitive.
Dawkins and Gervais are just using words. It's not like they are inflicting hundreds of years of violent oppression to make people believe what they think. Of course religious people take offense right away because they're the most sensitive people in the world and claim a monopoly to the truth (based on nothing, strange enough).
They don't just point and say "science". They use very rational words and evidence to explain that science at least is trying to figure stuff out. And with endless groundbreaking results. Dawkins can be a bit of a grumpy cunt sometimes but Ricky is hilarious to me. And it's especially hilarious when you see how much panic and aggression his rational words cause with these religious people. It's quite telling. Neither Dawkins or Gervais is juvenile. I think you just hopped on some ResetEra hyperbolic bullshit train.
People here act like atheists are the most aggressive people in the world. Some of them use spicy words, that's it. There are only a few hardcore active atheists. But even that is too much for religious people. Compare that to what inhumane shit religions have done and still do to people world-wide. It's funny religions claim the higher level of empathy and then continue to be the most inhumane and non-inclusive groups of people on earth. Most atheist just live their peaceful life not bothering anyone. Most atheists don't call themselves atheists. It's mostly on woke forums like this that kids want to express themselves and label themselves. But in real life, they don't even think of religion in ANY way.
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Being open to believing in gods is not the same as believing in gods, and if you lack belief in gods then you're by definition atheist.
Agnostic - concerns questions of knowledge
Atheist - concerns questions of belief
Do i believe? No. Do I think it's a possibility? Yes in one form or another, as in I think it's possible there could be consciousness greater than ours that exists with self-awareness.
I don't know, you don't know. The absence of evidence IS evidence of absence, and until proved otherwise, why say anything else - especially when it creates so much evil in the world. Let's do some fucking science, cure some shit and get out in to space to see what's out there and leave all this cherry-picked medieval and iron age shit in the past where it belongs.
I don't know, you don't know. The absence of evidence IS evidence of absence, and until proved otherwise, why say anything else - especially when it creates so much evil in the world. Let's do some fucking science, cure some shit and get out in to space to see what's out there and leave all this cherry-picked medieval and iron age shit in the past where it belongs.
If you still think people believe in god because they need answers to how the world was created, than you are pretty ignorant.
It's hard to explain. It just comes through personal experience. It is not about what is less or more amazing.
I do. And at the very least, we can take a lot of the positive aspects and learn a lot from a good preacher who let's the word flow through him/her. For the record, I take my kids to an awesome Christian church.
I mean it's not the only reason, but you'd be surprised how even today people still turn to the Bible to explain how life on earth and the planet was made.