Do you agree with what Oculus requiring a Facebook sign-in to continue using their headsets?

[The Lord of Cereal]

I don't see the problem honestly. Having Facebook connectivity will bring about a lot more social features for the platform and it's not like Facebook doesn't already have the data anyway if you have a Rift. It makes sense to consolidate all their accounts into one, and it's not like it hurts the end user very much if at all. To me, it's no different than needing a gmail account for Stadia or Youtube, or needing a Microsoft account for Xbox Live and all of MS's other programs. All these companies have your data and sell it, and it's not the end of the world.

Then again, maybe I feel that way because I am very loose when it comes to my internet security and if somebody really wanted to they could find out pretty much anything about me easily

 

[shadow2810]

I guess 2023 is when I replace my headset with an Index, unless someone figures out how to bypass this crap

 

[Daniel Westlake]

No course not even if you accept it why would you agree with it?

 

[Spenny]

Nope. Not making another FB account. Fuck that company.

 

[DarthBuzzard]

I don't like it, but this gives some insight into why they're doing it:

Robert Scoble: Facebook Identities on VR Are the Biggest Strategy Tax of All Time (Guest Post)

Robert Scoble has co-authored four books on technology, the latest of which, “The Infinite Retina” lays out why Spatial Computing will reshape seven industries. He grew up in Silicon Valley and has had a front-row seat on the technology industry...

nwn.blogs.com

That being said, I'm still buying Oculus products in the future since they're too far ahead of everyone else and I'd rather have the best headsets regardless of who it's from.

 

[Captain of Outer Space]

That's a good question, why didn't people complain about that.

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They did. Even Chet Faliszek, former head of Valve's VR stuff, has tweeted about this happening at some point since the acquisition.

Facebook is making it harder to recommend Oculus Quest

The right VR headset comes with a big red flag

www.polygon.com

 

[Dreams-Visions]

What was their reasoning?

 

[nampad]

That's what I don't understand. All these people were cool with Facebook owning Oculus, collecting Oculus user data and metrics......but now that they have to have a burner Facebook account that's somehow unacceptable?

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I made a burner account for PUBG mobile and suddenly FB wanted me to scan my ID to verify that burner account.
I lost all my progress...

 

[Daniel Westlake]

That's a good question, why didn't people complain about that.

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No I mean it's not a good question because people did complain about it to imply otherwise it's just revisionist history

 

[CanUKlehead]

Then sign up for a Facebook account, I suppose. They're free, and not exactly checking whether the information you provide them is legitimate or not. Alternatively, buy a Vive or Index.

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Bingo. This for me. I'll just make a fake account.

 

[felixdat]

I wonder if you can use it if you have just instagram account.

 

[Ashes of Dreams]

Don't see how different this is from the last thread about this but my answer is that I don't really care.

Don't get me wrong, I think Facebook is garbage, but they already owned Oculus and making a fake account is easy. I think a lot of people acting like this is some big line that's been crossed are just upset they have to now be directly confronted with the fact that they've been supporting facebook products this whole time.

 

[Border]

No I mean it's not a good question because people did complain about it to imply otherwise it's just revisionist history

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There's people in this very thread saying "I was going to buy a Rift until they decided to make people use a Facebook login." Which implies that prior to last week's decision they were totally cool with handing over their personal data to Facebook, so long as it was under the guise of an Oculus ID.

 

[Suedemaker]

Real glad I didn't buy into VR with an Oculus (or at all yet) but this will absolutely keep me from getting one ever. I mean...I use Facebook on my computer/phone but mostly just post dumb shit and I'm not going to every pay for something (e.g. Oculus games) through Facebook owned anything.

I'm not the least bit surprised they did this, but no thank you.

 

[plagiarize]

I think the egregious thing is that they said this wouldn't happen previously. Like, personally I don't care, but you can't bait and switch like that. Grandfather in everyone who already has an Oculus account. It wouldn't be that hard to add those accounts to the Facebook back end in some way, I imagine.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No, it was just a matter of time. For people who aren't comfortable with Facebook, why would you buy a Facebook headset? That is the thing I don't understand.

Sticking to SteamVR.

 

[Tryxx]

Honey don't understand why this was even a question. Nobody in their right mind would say yes to this. I feel like some people get desperate to make threads now a days lol.

 

[MrFrankFontaine]

Where's the "don't care either way option"?

I'm not for it, but it doesn't bother me either.

Still looking forward to a Quest 2 being released.

 

[piratethingy]

I answered yes but what I really mean is who cares.

 

[Bradford]

I don't like it one bit and will probably use it as an excuse to switch to an Index.

 

[Urthor]

Facebook already has literally every iota of personal data from you, all they are doing is unifying their Oculus and Facebook email lists.

All this is doing is making explicit what has been the case ever since they bought the company.

They own the company. There's no privacy. Full stop.

All your Oculus data has been fed into the great cyber AI in the sky and your choice of toothpaste analysed by a neural network.

If you didn't want FB to have your data you shouldn't have given Oculus anything

 

[Jhey Cyphre]

Yeah. No way in hell I ever buy an Oculus product again. So glad to be out of that ecosystem.

No, it was just a matter of time. For people who aren't comfortable with Facebook, why would you buy a Facebook headset? That is the thing I don't understand.

Sticking to SteamVR.

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It seem to recall promises that Oculus would never require a Facebook login.

 

[hydruxo]

I don't agree with it, but it's not exactly surprising either. They own them after all.

 

[SinkFla]

33 people are sadomasochistic contrarians

 

[KamenSenshi]

No absolutely not. Sold my Oculus today. Don't and won't use Facebook.

 

[Deleted member 1476]

Of course not, why would I? I'm not a corporate bootlicker.

 

[brain_stew]

No.

I'll legit sell my Rift over this.

And for the record, I didn't like it when Facebook bought them either.

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What is the practical difference between Facebook managing your data but calling it an Oculus account and Facebook managing your data and calling it a Facebook account?

You're giving the same data to the same company regardless.

I think the egregious thing is that they said this wouldn't happen previously. Like, personally I don't care, but you can't bait and switch like that. Grandfather in everyone who already has an Oculus account. It wouldn't be that hard to add those accounts to the Facebook back end in some way, I imagine.

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The change will be forced a full 7 years after the release of the Oculus Rift. That is a far longer useful lifespan than anyone could have expected from first generation VR hardware.

I just think the whole thing is overblown, Facebook are hardly a perfect company but we're all freely sharing our data with Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, EA, Ubisoft, Google and Epic in order to play modern games, I think the distinction between them and Facebook isn't as stark as most are making out. They're all looking to profit from access to your data, and the only reason any of them care about your privacy is to be compliant with local laws and to protect their brand.

No absolutely not. Sold my Oculus today. Don't and won't use Facebook.

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If you owned a Rift or Quest then you were already willingly sharing your data with Facebook and contributing to their bottom line. You were already using Facebook, the Oculus logo on the headset didn't change that.

 

[JoJoBae]

It fucking sucks but I already have an account so that's already sorted I guess.

Spoiler

Where's this energy for the epic account stuff though? Does facebook need to start giving out free games?

 

[JDHarbs]

We really need a competitor to Quest in the mobile/streaming VR market.

Nothing would make me happier than if Valve announced a PC streaming-only wireless HMD at a reasonable cost.

I really want to be rid of Facebook forever

 

[Hu3]

No. Fuck Facebook.

 

[napkin]

I obviously don't agree with it but I think being able to subvert it will be relatively easy. I got a Rift S recently and it's fun but this decision does make me think if VR is still a thing in 2 years I will hope a Valve Index 2 will be out and I will switch to that instead. If that's not the case I'll just make a random facebook account to bypass it.

 

[samred]

I do not. It's not just a little bad. It is a lot of bad.

Why the Facebookening of Oculus VR is bad for users, devs, competition

Opinion: No device should require a Facebook login—so what is Oculus doing?

arstechnica.com

 

[GeoGonzo]

Oculus is dead, the company is now facebook. It makes perfect sense for a Facebook headset to require facebook logins. So, voting yes.

Personally, I already deleted my facebook profile, sold my Rift and bought an Index.

 

[Deleted member 36135]

I'm projecting this decision will accelerate Oculus in to obscurity. Steam will be the dominant platform. Eventually Facebook will divest out of Oculus and I'm guessing MS will try to gobble them up. MS will eventually fuck it all up, shit their pants, and then fall down while everyone laughs at them.

 

[Mendrox]

Yes. I also have to use Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo accounts and I know in regards to my digital fingerprint it's already over so I don't care anymore.

There's people in this very thread saying "I was going to buy a Rift until they decided to make people use a Facebook login." Which implies that prior to last week's decision they were totally cool with handing over their personal data to Facebook, so long as it was under the guise of an Oculus ID.

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Yeah pretty stupid. Anyone already using an Oculus device gives Facebook their data. You need an Oculus account for the Oculus store so if you never played a single Oculus game from the store you are fine I guess.

I do not. It's not just a little bad. It is a lot of bad.

Why the Facebookening of Oculus VR is bad for users, devs, competition

Opinion: No device should require a Facebook login—so what is Oculus doing?

arstechnica.com

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Ugh. If you want to use an Mixed Reality headset good luck without a Microsoft account (Store access). You can also register at Stadia without having a gmail domain account, duh. I don't like this article. Yes you don't need a Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo account, but you need all of them to use the consoles whole features. There are sets of features you just can't use if you don't use one.

 

[brain_stew]

We really need a competitor to Quest in the mobile/streaming VR market.

Nothing would make me happier than if Valve announced a PC streaming-only wireless HMD at a reasonable cost.

I really want to be rid of Facebook forever

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Valve have shown no desire to hit a mainstream price point with their VR hardware. Facebook/Oculus are the only company pushing high quality VR at mainstream pricing apart from perhaps Sony.

The Quest is just lightyears ahead of the competition and despite it very clearly being the best form factor for mainstream adoption, it continues to be ignored by Sony and Valve. I have little hope of serious competition appearing anytime soon as it requires best in class software and hardware aswell as a strong lineup of games. It would be a huge investment to catch-up to Facebook and the Quest.

 

[Fall Damage]

I think there should be an option for people that don't care either way.

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[JDHarbs]

Valve have shown no desire to hit a mainstream price point with their VR hardware. Facebook/Oculus are the only company pushing high quality VR at mainstream pricing apart from perhaps Sony.

The Quest is just lightyears ahead of the competition and despite it very clearly being the best form factor for mainstream adoption, it continues to be ignored by Sony and Valve. I have little hope of serious competition appearing anytime soon as it requires best in class software and hardware aswell as a strong lineup of games. It would be a huge investment to catch-up to Facebook and the Quest.

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It's not really about Valve having anything against mainstream products, but more about them only pursuing things that push boundaries and move PC gaming forward.

A streaming focused headset could absolutely fit that. Imagine how much lighter, smaller, and comfortable a streaming-only HMD would be without the need to run anything natively. That could absolutely push VR gaming forward and their entire SteamVR library would be compatible unlike the bulky Quest with it's library of weak mobile ports.

 

[Mendrox]

It's not really about Valve having anything against mainstream products, but more about them only pursuing things that push boundaries and move PC gaming forward.

A streaming focused headset could absolutely fit that. Imagine how much lighter, smaller, and comfortable a streaming-only HMD would be without the need to run anything natively. That could absolutely push VR gaming forward and their entire SteamVR library would be compatible unlike the bulky Quest with it's library of weak mobile ports.

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I would love for Steam to make a stream headset like Facebook too. Just to say though I can already play my whole SteamVR library and more wireless through the Quest.

 

[Gordon's Tulpa]

A premium consumer product that you paid a lot of money for, gated by an arbitrary account login by a company that's notorious for mishandling user data. You'd have to be a complete nut to condone the business practice.

 

[JDHarbs]

I would love for Steam to make a stream headset like Facebook too. Just to say though I can already play my whole SteamVR library and more wireless through the Quest.

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Yeah, Virtual Desktop is great. It's the reason why I want Valve to go all in on a VD only device and drop all of that extra weight from the HMD. It'd be the best way to play VR in my mind.

 

[iswasdoes]

It doesn't matter at allllll. this is a lot of fuss about nothing. Here's why:

if you're a Facebook user, use your regular account with the headset. No problem

if you're not, create a burner account to use with the headset. No problem.

if you wanna get on a high horse about why Facebook is a terrible company, buy another VR headset. That might be annoying for some people who want to have their cake and eat it, but it's the only way

 

[iswasdoes]

A premium consumer product that you paid a lot of money for, gated by an arbitrary account login by a company that's notorious for mishandling user data. You'd have to be a complete nut to condone the business practice.

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and sorry to double post, but that premium product you paid for requires an oculus account - Facebook ALREADY own all this data they are mishandling

you'd have to be a complete nut to think the reason they bought oculus was anything other than getting data, that's their entire business model! Again if you don't like it other VR headsets are available

 

[Raiden]

I'm cool with it, I have seen how Zuckerberg moves and interacts, that dude needs some Intel on human movement ASAP.

 

[Burai]

I can't even begin to imagine the mental gymnastics some of you went through to want to give your money to that POS Luckey in the first place and what you all thought Facebook's endgame was when they bought the company.

Oculus was a trash company from the very start but this is the straw that breaks the camel's back? Really?

 

[The Spoony Hou]

And that's exactly why I'll never go near a Facebook product. With the bonus that Oculus was created by a white-supremacist.

 

[Fall Damage]

Having never had a FB account I'm curious, does one need to use their real name as their handle? This would be the only possible hang up for me. I wouldn't want my real name to be visible to other people in a multiplayer game. All it takes is a 10 second Google search to reveal phone numbers, addresses, and family members. If I can keep this hidden then nothing really changed with this move. As others have pointed out if you have an Oculus account FB already has your info.

Edit - It seems you can keep your Identity anonymous.

When you log in with a Facebook account, you can still create or maintain a unique VR profile. And if you don't want your Oculus friends to find you by your Facebook name, they won't—just make it visible to 'Only Me' in your Oculus settings.

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[Bricktop]

Facebook is shit, but you had to know this was coming. All it means is I'll never own an Oculus product because I'll never make another Facebook account. Dummy accounts only end up biting you in the ass down the line, especially if you purchase things through them...I'll pass.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Valve have shown no desire to hit a mainstream price point with their VR hardware. Facebook/Oculus are the only company pushing high quality VR at mainstream pricing apart from perhaps Sony.

The Quest is just lightyears ahead of the competition and despite it very clearly being the best form factor for mainstream adoption, it continues to be ignored by Sony and Valve. I have little hope of serious competition appearing anytime soon as it requires best in class software and hardware aswell as a strong lineup of games. It would be a huge investment to catch-up to Facebook and the Quest.

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It is ignored because it is a loss leading strategy by Facebook. There is no way they make money on the Quest hardware.

 

[Sprat]

There's a major controversy over Facebook wanting Oculus to make new users/current users use their services to use any of their VR headsets. For me, I don't know what to say on one hand this has been something that was bound to happen. After all, Facebook bought the company. So it was a matter of time. But on the other hand, I find it wrong because why force people to use Facebook to use their services. I think and maybe I'm wrong. I think they should've done that where if you want to use social services. But if you have to sign-in to Facebook just to purchase something on their storefront. I find that to be unfair. I don't know. I rather see what you guys think.

Do you agree with it or not?

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Yes. Disagreeing is like saying you disagree valve want you to login to use their services