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Do you agree with this Joe Biden statement?
- Thread starter DigitalOp
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User banned (3 months): Inflammatory points of comparison over multiple posts, history of similar behaviour
Violence is violence.
Imagine if it were far right white supremacist militians doing that shit. Would you think is their right to do so?
Do you think breaking a window is as bad as genocide? I'm not trying to strawman, but you're literally saying 'violence is violence' after someone brought up war crimes.
This site never fails to let us know valued black people are here.
Fits right in with the democratic party.
Fits right in with the democratic party.
We're not talking about "rights". You're saying the violence exhibited in the murder of a man is the same as destroying property. It's fucked up, frankly.
This might be the single most insane thing I've read on this website.
No, you goober. Violence against those who hold power is not the same as terrorizing vulnerable and marginalized people.
Literally no important protest ever went anywhere by staying "peaceful."
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you not getting it
you and others quick to get to berating about bringing in the fucking moderates, and now you telling me they not getting what they want
dawg, I do not give a FUCK what they not getting
You telling me to galvanize a bigger portion of people to push the party left like the Dems don't fight against that very thing. You completely ignore how hard they fought against AOCs primary because they washed it with how lovable she is and how welcomed she was to the party 🙄
You and the rest of people exposing these takes always miss the point. The Dems never fucking show up but continue to insult us. The moderates you always put on a fucking pedistal always seem to be the roadblock to fucking progress. Always.
Always waiting for them to come around for our goddamn dignity in the streets.
"You act as if you're the only ones not getting exactly what you want exactly when you want it"
haha honestly dude, fuck you for this one
I'm talking about my people dying in streets, not getting adequate healthcare, not having proper means to generating wealth ........ since even before this fuck ass country started and.....
"You're not the only ones not getting what you want"
man fuck out my face
He's a candidate for President of the United States, not a leader of a rebellion. It's the right thing for him to say as someone trying to deescalate the situation.
The difference is that one group is protesting against violence at them and their kin. White supremacists would be protesting... what, that their dorito expired?
EDIT: this was supposed to be an edit and addition to my last post. Excuse me.
This is a bullshit post for the mere fact that no one seems to be advocating for fucking violence. In fact we want an end to violence and that starts when the police stops fucking killing black people. You guys keeps crafting straw men to attack as opposed to actually reading and listening to what people here are saying. Also it's pretty ahistorical to assume violence has no place at all in social movements. History is filled with violent movements. In addition to that we had peaceful protests all summer that the media largely ignored.
Violence is constantly being exhibited towards black people and other minorities/protected classes in the US. Be it through dumbfuck cops, right wing nutjobs, through laws and legislations directly designed to hurt them (this is 100% unarguable violence btw). If you're saying people shouldn't fight back against this any way they can then you're clueless.
Here's from someone who also "lived" through a war it doesn't give you any more say in the matter.
Indeed, there was a man who once said revolutions are the locomotives of history. Can't remember who. But we are apparently at the end of history, so I guess it doesn't apply anymore.
Just a reminder that the ANC's efforts against apartheid would not have succeeded without the bombings carried out by Umkhonto we Sizwe
LOL remember a few months ago when a lot of posters were saying "Black Lives Matter" and sporting it on their avatars? You see this thread and the poll and then you realize that was all just empty nonsense.
Not sure who said this but this country fought two fucking revolutionary wars lmao
This is factually incorrect. The party as an apparatus defends incumbent Democrats. When AOC ran in 2018, the party was defending Crowley--who for the record, was quite left for a Democrat, he wasn't some Manchin/Van Drew/Lipinski style Democrat. But once she won, guess who the party defended in the 2020 Primary? AOC was endorsed by Nancy Pelosi herself and was given the full weight of the DCCC.
Well there is in fact a candidate mentioned in the title of this very topic who is advocating to improve all those things by implementing use of force standards and accountability, a public healthcare option, and investing heavily in communities of color, all well acknowledging at every opportunity that systemic racism is a very real problem.
I was being coy, lol. It's our good friend Mr. Marx. Though, I like this spin on it too:
"Marx says that revolutions are the locomotives of world history. But the situation may be quite different. Perhaps revolutions are not the train ride, but the human race grabbing for the emergency brake." - Walter Benjamin
We're facing a society that is increasingly breaking down under the weight of its own contradictions. How much more can this last?
Sorry you know I'm still a young'n with the Marxian thought. Still learning from you and the others in the OT as well as reading a lot.
A suggestion for my white moderate allies is to instead call out the instances of police brutality, or at least make an effort to condemn the cops instead of whitewashing a goddamn murder.
Like, all this focus on looting and whatnot, whereas the cops are the biggest thugs on the planet and get protected daily by these politicians, especially with these kinds of statements.
Old thread too, imagine how much more fuckery we could fit into that over these past 4 months? But it's those uppity rampaging blacks yeah?
Like, all this focus on looting and whatnot, whereas the cops are the biggest thugs on the planet and get protected daily by these politicians, especially with these kinds of statements.
Old thread too, imagine how much more fuckery we could fit into that over these past 4 months? But it's those uppity rampaging blacks yeah?
Unless you spend more time discussing what incited the riots than condemning the riots then I don't wanna hear it
Right, right. All good! Just didn't want to take away too much from the main point: that violent resistance is a constant throughout history and pretty much the only reason society has drastically improved over time. I think one of the biggest lies liberalism sells people is "all previous violence was necessary, but modern violence isn't." Unless it's state violence of course.
Yeah, that twitter thread of unprovoked violence is over 1000 now, I believe. There is a Google Spreadsheet.
Violence against property is seen as more contemptible than violence against Black lives. I wonder why that is.
The sanctity of private property has always been a method in this country to keep the oppressed from getting "too violent" to be taken "seriously".
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This all sounds like semantics and being mealy mouth. You talking by about you edited the quote for clarity of your point??
the hell??, take the quote as is. That's what we talking about. We have different perspective. We not gonna see eye to eye
Put it this way. The slave revolts that took place in early America? Justified. All of them. It was good thing it happened. People are allowed to defend themselves from oppression and use violence if left no alternatives
Since you seem to miss majority of the OP, looking at history
White people are the last group to tell ANYONE when violence is justified.
Last fucking group on earth
So you tell me that Dems protect incumbent Dems but out the same mouth will tell people to primary incumbents......
okay
The last part is cute to repeat a bunch of shit about the thread subject, like I don't know while just ignoring the same topic insulting the same people he claims to stand for
He's a politician, the fuck is he supposed to say?
That being said violence in terms of self defense? I support 100%. Condemning property damage just as much as the killing of unarmed black people? Fuck that.
And yea, violence has always been a white man's right in America. There's a reason "No guns for the negroes" has been a law. Hence why they get to open carry rifles and have militias. Let some black or brown people do the same though....
How so? In the sense of "They'll come for you and take what's yours"? Absolutely. But it's been the fear of the oppressed doing what they damn well know they'd do if someone did that shit to them and theirs that's the crux of it to me. America been afraid of "Slave Vengeance Day" from jump.
That being said violence in terms of self defense? I support 100%. Condemning property damage just as much as the killing of unarmed black people? Fuck that.
And yea, violence has always been a white man's right in America. There's a reason "No guns for the negroes" has been a law. Hence why they get to open carry rifles and have militias. Let some black or brown people do the same though....
How so? In the sense of "They'll come for you and take what's yours"? Absolutely. But it's been the fear of the oppressed doing what they damn well know they'd do if someone did that shit to them and theirs that's the crux of it to me. America been afraid of "Slave Vengeance Day" from jump.
So here's an honest question. I just vote blue. But reading the back and forth the last few months, I have seen the claims that black people have traditionally done worse under Democratic leadership than compared to Republican leadership. And some people will go as far as to say the Democratic party intentionally oppresses black people by constantly labeling them victims.
Now a lot of these talking points are brought up by Republican voters, so I didn't really know what to take from it. But your comment just brought it to mind. How do you feel the Democratic party treats black people, as opposed to the Republican party?
This is such a disgusting thing to say to a Black American man in this thread of all places. Shame on you. And shame on all the people being dismissive in this thread.
Basically, "both sides", huh? There is no equivalence in this situation. Far-right white supremacist militants doing this will always be far more a negative thing because of who they are and what they stand for. You cannot equate the anger and frustration of people that have been killed and kept down through the centuries with the evil and acts of aggression by those who've ALWAYS BEEN ON TOP and want to suppress and intimidate others to KEEP THEIR PLACE ON TOP. If you see both actions as being equal, get a new pair of eyes and slap whoever conditioned YOU to think that way because THEY WERE WRONG to do so, and YOU ARE WRONG for believing that shit!
Yup. 100%. I can't imagine a presidential candidate endorsing rioting and violence. Not to say it's not understandable in some way, but like.. As a person running for president I would never say they were right to smash and loot or throw stuff at police.
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Very glad you mentioned this, because I def forgot to expand on this. It's insane to see us at this point dealing with Liberalism especially when we look at how Liberalism came into our community
And what do you know! It came after violence killed off our community and civil rights organizers in the late 60s
guess that violence was justified
I didn't say that? Your initial statement was that the Democratic Party fought specifically against AOC to prevent the party from moving to the left. That's not what happened. The party--for better or worse--has an obligation to defend incumbents, unless they do something especially egregious. The goal of the institution is to win and then defend seats, which is exactly what they did both in 2018 and 2020. That is effectively the role of political parties. I firmly believe safe deep blue districts like NY-14 should have the furthest left Democrats in them, but once again, Crowley was to the left of the Party as a whole--not as far to the left as AOC, but he was there.
There is no way to wave a magic wand and fix systemic injustice. Anyone who believes that is naïve at best, delusional at worst. Biden has a platform that actively addresses every concern you've raised. It may not go as far as you would like, but we have to live within political reality. Support for reform is higher than it has been in ages, support for the BLM movement is at almost its highest point, and healthcare is the most important issue for a good number of Americans--before COVID hit, it was basically the reason Dem's won the House in 2018. That being said, a major party candidate that wants to actually win cannot go out there and advocate for acts of violence against law enforcement. As frustrating as that is, It will never happen because at the end of the day, no changes will occur if you cannot win any elections.
Ugghh. So fucking condensing.
This is why i say liberals are nothing but seat warmers for fascists.
I don't know what you would expect him to say, no presidential candidate is going to condone violence yet alone encourage it. I get the feeling some people want America to go from Donald trump to the most progressive unifying president ever but unfortunately that isn't going to happen. 250 years of racism and inequality doesn't just get erased over night, it's gonna be a long and hard road for America to get where it needs to be.
Your not going to have a presidential candidate pushing for violence or saying it's right. Well except for Trump maybe
The last thing we need is someone as polarizing as Trump in office, just far left and calling for violence. Biden is acting like a leader.
I can delve into more detail but in a nutshell:
Democrats- court black voters in presidential primary/downticket races > swing towards white moderates in general election > ignore black communities while in office, rinse, repeat. Also, lots of tokenism, black politicians placed strategically to ratify the white status quo.
Republicans- flat-out racist against black Americans, or at least ok with racism against black Americans because they want tax cuts and deregulation.
One party is apathetic or hostile, the other straight hostile to black interests.
Do you seriously think America is at risk of having Vladimir Lenin for President?
No...
Not at all, but based on some of the responses in here there are people expecting him to be a radical militia leader calling for rioting and violence.
No president should condone violence in the streets and mob justice.
I mean that lie is false on its face given just how much the state engages in violence, both domestically and abroad. And in many ways that violence has gotten worse with the advent of neoliberalism, not better
Well what do you expect him say because it would be political suicide to come out and strongly condone the violence. The republicans would absolutely love it if he did, is that a hill you want the democrat challenge to die on?.