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Do not assume US still aspires to be a world leader, Merkel warns
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You realize that the Head of State in Thuringia is Bodo Ramelow, right? From the party called "Die Linke" aka "The Left"?
I won't even try to correct the other bullshit of your post because your lies are not worth it.
She will let Laschet/Spahn/Merz take the massive public backlash for substantially increasing the Bundeswehr budget....
I'd like to see some data on that tbh.
Not playing gotcha here.
But as someone who has lived in Germany and the US, I'm not sure that "far far more" is correct.
Holy hyperbole. This post is wrong on so many levels and so over the top. Germany is in no way turning into a far right state.
I know their history, but if you have a better idea in the Pacific, I'm all ears.
I hope Europe is prepared to spend way more for their military then, because without the US Navy nobody is going to protect their precious freight ships anymore, and building up a navy from the ground will be very expensive. And then of course there is Russia just waiting for a sign of weakness to reconquer their lost "sphere of influence".
We gotta lick our wounds after 4 years of being a laughing stock. I don't see us being a nation others "look to" for quite some time.
what a load of BS this is. As others have already righfully called you out. But as a German, I had to do it again.
Not Japan. Easy. There is no one-size-fits-all solution. Proposing Japan as a solution isn't a solution, that's falling for the international image they've been trying to sell and ignoring everyone else telling you that's a bad idea.
Time to dissolve NATO, make a pan-western European military treaty and leave the US to fight its own wars and stop being servile to every US war whim.
Where are you from? This is an insane post and full of inaccuracies. Thuringias head of state is a socialist lol
Not really, Europe was armed to the teeth during the Cold War, not comparable to today. Actually one major reason why East Germany collapsed.
gotta say, very cool as a user of chinese descent to see open praise & adoration for a staunchly nationalist country who whitewashes/denies the genocide that murdered my family (grand uncles & aunts) in nanking and other imperialist + fascist horrors
There is no facist head of state in Thuringia, quite the opposite.
While true that a right winger got elected, he was pressured to resigned shortly after. The circumstances that he even got elected are a story in itself.
Almost the whole country was disgusted, that this happened, so how are we becoming more warped?
What is true, that in some regions the right wing AFD got more votes than ever before. But even here I would argue, that people are not becoming warped, the racists were already there and some people seem to have voted that party out of anger of the current administration.
I think because of people like Trump being racist became popular once more and the racists came out of hiding. They were already here.
The previous most popular right wing party "Die Republikaner" got similar amount of votes in most in most of the states quite a few years ago, so this all is nothing new.
It's the usual problems every country seem to have.
And don't even get me started on your last paragraph.
Racism is part of us in a cellular manner? Get out of here with this shit.
Yes we have racists like every other country in the world
But for example, at least where I live, all refugees are welcome. I know one from Nigeria and part of my family comes from china. Apart from some bullying in school, which sadly will happen everywhere to every child that is different, happened even to me beause i was obese, there are no problems with racism in my entire environment.
And how ist our "right wing" newspaper the Bildzeitung more offensive than Fox News?
The paper is shit and everyone knows that, but the things Fox News does would never fly here.
There is no TV news channel, no form of media here that can compare to the amount of bullshit that comes out of Fox News.
And to just say, that our media landscape ist bad in that regard ist just not true.
How can you generalize like that, just because of a few black sheep?
We are fully aware of our past, not happy about it and committed to make sure such things will never happen again.
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Not really. An isolationist, one who holds that philosophy, would never in a million years encourage foreign powers to interfere in domestic elections. Or, in case of Ukraine, threaten them.
Not a single one of Germany's head of states is from the AfD. It's close to impossible that this will ever change in the western parts of Germany and still very unlikely in eastern Germany as well (which always had a problem with right-wing parties ever since the reunification).
The entire western world took a huge step to the right during the last few years with right-wing parties and right-wing politicians gaining traction and popularity. All things considered I think that Germany is actually one of the countries that largely defended itself against that kind of shit rather well - the AfD is much more popular than anyone can be comfortable with, but with current polls having the party nationwide at 9-10% they are hardly a threat to our democracy either.
Well, he doesn't mind exercising soft power if it were to help him get elected, lol.
[Insight] How big is Germany's far-right problem?
The Hanau shooting was a national wake-up call to the scale of far-right extremism in Germany, from violent individuals to political hate speech.
euobserver.com
In Germany, right-wing extremism is a growing worry
"We had the opportunity to build a new democracy, and now we see that we need to fight for it again," said a mayor, who was stabbed 18 months ago.
www.nbcnews.com
Yeah, you guys are right. Even though the number of racists, support for racist parties, and racist attacks are exploding, they must all be very fine people.
IN 1 year, there was an over 30% in Rightwing Extremists in Germany. 2018-2019. Let me repeat that in 1 year. 1 year. 30%
So yeah, sorry but racism is absolutely EXPLODING in germany right now. I don't think ignoring this is going to make it go away. And none of this is surprising. This was always going to happen, eventually. Things are going to get much worse. Its a fact AfD's support has kept rising.
The country, especially in the last few years, is experiencing a huge surge of their racist past. As my links and quotes show, this is what Germans themselves are saying. Like I said its not surprising at all.
Yeah, no shit. Hopefully countries manage to savy up and don't let China fill the empty space, because that's not a trade I would support.
The US not meddling with middle-east or latin american countries is a positive, but that won't mean shit if they let someone else fill that void.
The US not meddling with middle-east or latin american countries is a positive, but that won't mean shit if they let someone else fill that void.
It's right, and it's not. I think Trump wants to appear like a world leader, but he has no intention of even trying to do the minimum a world leader should do which is follow advice of experts.
instead, he follows the advice of sycophants since he relates to them naturally being one himself.
instead, he follows the advice of sycophants since he relates to them naturally being one himself.
How can a country that politicised wearing masks in the middle of one of the worst pandemics of our time ever be trusted to lead an animal, never mind another country? Merkel is so right.
The only country Trump seems to have kept close ties, or have any real relationship with during his presidency, is the U.K. Even then there was talk that it was because Brexit would create excellent trade opportunities for America as the U.K. would have a negotiating disadvantage.
He does also defend Russia & Putin whenever he has the opportunity.
He does also defend Russia & Putin whenever he has the opportunity.
AfD supporters range from moronic libertarians to actual neonazis. But I'm honestly more concerned about the right wing of the CDU, you know, the types that sing all verses of Das Lied der Deutschen at Landjugend meetings. Then again, I'm from SH which was a brown stronghold in the 30s.
Let me quote the stats of the german authorties for you so you have real numbers to work with:
2017 - 20.520 right motivated crimes
2018 - 20.431 right motivated crimes
2019 - 22.337 right motivated crimes
Do the math.
The 30% increase in "rightwing extreme people" that you're referring to comes from the fact that in 2019 a part of the AfD (around 7000+ ppl) got counted as rightwing extreme. Iit's not like those people come out of nowhere or were moderate before. They have always been like that but were simply not counted. You know that, right?
Its a fact that you're lying again:
AfD fällt in Umfrage auf niedrigsten Wert seit September 2017 || AfD in survey falls to lowest level since September 2017
Nothing of your (unsourced) quote shows or proves anything that you claim and the other parts of your posts are made-up lies again. And some strawman argument crap. I see that you're newly registered user here: maybe try posting in other topics or stop spreading lies on purpose in this one here. Dunno.
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I think you're talking about a different thing than the person you're replying to.
They're saying there's an increase of 30% in number of people identified as part of right wing militant groups.
You're saying there's not a 30% increase in right wing crimes.
Both of these can and likely are true. Reality is it's probably not an increase in people joining such groups so much as German authorities being able to infiltrate larger operations and thus nab more people.
The number of crimes is usually the important but yeah, I've already edited my post and also explained the details of the "30% more rightwing extreme people" stat. The ultra rightwing group of the AfD with more than 7000 people was rightfully identified and (is since then) getting counted as as rightwing extremes. This does not mean that 30% suddenly changed their political views and became rightwing extremes but that those people simply did not get counted before 2019.
My problem with Merkel is that she's praising the US from the past. I would like to know what kind of world police she was fond of?
Maybe I would be in favor of the US doing that role if and this is a big if, the US actually was fair and just to all countries. If you truly didn't want people undermining this "world police" role the US has, the blame goes to the US in how it applies the law. Why would China and Russia respect the US if the US is a terrible world police? That's not to say they would be any better, but it's to say that if Merkel or any US citizen wanted to curb turmoil, a look in the mirror would be more apt.
If she only has a problem with Trump, I don't think this is a matter of being the world police. The world police aspect is still there hence why there is no change in war, and we're meddling in a place like Venezuela. It's clear the US is still the world police. The problem with Trump is that he's taken that a step further by being antagonistic towards allies.
Nobody said, that there are no problems here in Germany.
And yes the high percentage of AFD votes in a few states are quite alarming.
But this are isolated cases and you are generalizing and blowing things out of proportions.
The good thing is, that the party itself ist quite incompetent, the Verfassungsschutz is already on them and the governmen is aware ot the threat.
So it's not like no one is doing something against them.
Also every year are some attacks on people of color, sadly that's all nothing new
And now we have more people of color than ever before, so obviously the numbers are rising.
But one of the worst cases was some 20 years ago, which people seem to forget.
Also some people have problems with the refugee policies of the government and are doing stupid things out of that frustration.
It's all been here before and it was worse in the past.
If it gets even more bad, which I hope not, than it's time to get really worried.
But you make it seem in your first post, that our entire country is fucked and that we are born racist.
With a lot of other stuff that's just not true.
That's what everyone's complainign about, because it's just not the case.
No one's denying that there's been an uptick in the appeal of right-wing parties and ideas in recent years. Again, that is something that can be observed in almost the entirety of the western world and it is indeed unsettling. But what you are doing is cherry picking numbers in order to paint some kind of apocalyptic prospects for Germany's political future when that is simply not true to the extent that you are trying to claim.[Insight] How big is Germany's far-right problem?
The Hanau shooting was a national wake-up call to the scale of far-right extremism in Germany, from violent individuals to political hate speech.In Germany, right-wing extremism is a growing worry
"We had the opportunity to build a new democracy, and now we see that we need to fight for it again," said a mayor, who was stabbed 18 months ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world
Yeah, you guys are right. Even though the number of racists, support for racist parties, and racist attacks are exploding, they must all be very fine people.
IN 1 year, there was an over 30% in Rightwing Extremists in Germany. 2018-2019. Let me repeat that in 1 year. 1 year. 30%
So yeah, sorry but racism is absolutely EXPLODING in germany right now. I don't think ignoring this is going to make it go away. And none of this is surprising. This was always going to happen, eventually. Things are going to get much worse. Its a fact AfD's support has kept rising.
The country, especially in the last few years, is experiencing a huge surge of their racist past. As my links and quotes show, this is what Germans themselves are saying. Like I said its not surprising at all.
And, no, the support of right-wing parties is not "exploding". AfD has been stagnant in polls for the entirety of 2019 and declined in popularity sharply ever since the Corona outbreak. Just look at the numbers:
Sonntagsfrage – Forschungsgruppe Wahlen (Wahlumfragen zur Bundestagswahl)
Ăśbersicht ĂĽber aktuelle und frĂĽhere Ergebnisse von Wahlumfragen der Forschungsgruppe Wahlen zur Bundestagswahl (Sonntagsfrage)
www.wahlrecht.de
I'd much rather have a strong EU where Germany worked in tandem with the rest of members to have a reliable EU-wide force that can protect its members (the eastern border in particular, the fact that the Baltic states feel they need the protection of the US is a complete failure on the EU's part) while avoiding at all costs to meddle in other country's affairs. No world policing please. After we have a strong, unified (or at least coordinated) EU force, let's just disband NATO. It is just a tool for American geopolitical hegemony.
It should never be a signle nation who plays world police. It
Don't have any numbers on hand, but right wing extremism is growning in every country. Look at Italy, America, Britain, Portugal and basicly almost every other country.
To the topic at hand, wouldn't it be better if it is a group of countries working together, instead of a single one. Also Germany is not even close to filling the role America took the last couple of decades. The only other countries currently capable of doing that are China and Russia with the later one loosing more and more influence.
[Insight] How big is Germany's far-right problem?
The Hanau shooting was a national wake-up call to the scale of far-right extremism in Germany, from violent individuals to political hate speech.In Germany, right-wing extremism is a growing worry
"We had the opportunity to build a new democracy, and now we see that we need to fight for it again," said a mayor, who was stabbed 18 months ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world
Yeah, you guys are right. Even though the number of racists, support for racist parties, and racist attacks are exploding, they must all be very fine people.
IN 1 year, there was an over 30% in Rightwing Extremists in Germany. 2018-2019. Let me repeat that in 1 year. 1 year. 30%
So yeah, sorry but racism is absolutely EXPLODING in germany right now. I don't think ignoring this is going to make it go away. And none of this is surprising. This was always going to happen, eventually. Things are going to get much worse. Its a fact AfD's support has kept rising.
The country, especially in the last few years, is experiencing a huge surge of their racist past. As my links and quotes show, this is what Germans themselves are saying. Like I said its not surprising at all.
Don't have any numbers on hand, but right wing extremism is growning in every country. Look at Italy, America, Britain, Portugal and basicly almost every other country.
To the topic at hand, wouldn't it be better if it is a group of countries working together, instead of a single one. Also Germany is not even close to filling the role America took the last couple of decades. The only other countries currently capable of doing that are China and Russia with the later one loosing more and more influence.
America will never stand for another country being titled "world leader" so despite us being unfit for it we'll continue. America should be its own thing, and maybe someone else should be the world leader. That way you can visit America whenever you wanna experience the chaos that is capitalism.
As a black in America I can at least I can find victory in the fact knowing if someone is outwardly racist to me I can ruin their life with social media so long as I dodge the police. Not the same in another country where people can do small racist shit without hesitation and it being so frequent it's not worthy of recording. But it can really dehumanize you and drive you mad. Can definitely believe the right wing is going up in Europe, if true.
As a black in America I can at least I can find victory in the fact knowing if someone is outwardly racist to me I can ruin their life with social media so long as I dodge the police. Not the same in another country where people can do small racist shit without hesitation and it being so frequent it's not worthy of recording. But it can really dehumanize you and drive you mad. Can definitely believe the right wing is going up in Europe, if true.
It would definitely be a good thing for Europe to stop using America as a crutch for their own policies and protection. And it would also do them well to look inward and deal with the right-wing rising all over the place there too. Use the US as a cautionary tale if you want. It would be great if the US could scale back and actually spend some of its money on taking care of its people rather than blowing shit up around the world.
The problem is the next Republican President. As a party they are just dogshit, and they aren't going to improve on this area. So eventually the pendulum will swing their way again and.... then what? The world can't rely on this country anymore as half of its political force self destructs and becomes further and further worthless. Our reliability on that front would be spotty at best.
The hope is that they will have to change as the percentage of white people (and white males in particular) declines. At some point they simply will never be electable nationally without party change. You're already seeing it with younger Republicans being more in favor of gay marriage, for instance.
They have been doing everything they can to delay when that day comes through gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc. but the day is coming nevertheless.
You can't in good faith say you know their history if you're just going to ignore it - that's not the reality people from the region live in. I've yet to see any arguments as to how or why this would work either. You made the claim, back it up.
I do have to say, as a person from a less industrialized country (I hate the terms developing country and third world), seeing people go back and forth over who should be wielding power and what kind of power is always interrsting. And reminds me that whoever 'wins', us minnows will always get screwed over.
I don't think she's right about America (trump) not wanting to be world leader. He loves being it. He thinks it means the rest of the world cows to his demands and basically pays huge tithes to us that he can change on a whim.
But yeah, Europe (and lots of countries) will be better off if they get off the test and diversify their investments. were better with lots of strong countries, not one.
But yeah, Europe (and lots of countries) will be better off if they get off the test and diversify their investments. were better with lots of strong countries, not one.