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Icolin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar
www.jpost.com

DNC advances final platform version, Israel related draft stays unchanged

The committee rejected a suggested amendment to condition US assistance to Israel, so "no US aid may be used to facilitate annexation or to violate Palestinians rights."

The platform committee for the Democratic National Committee discussed on Monday a series of amendments before voting on the entire document. The Israel-related language remained unchanged.

The committee rejected a suggested amendment to condition US assistance to Israel, so "no US aid may be used to facilitate annexation or to violate Palestinians rights." The motion also included the word "occupation," a term that did not appear in the original draft. The measure was rejected after 117 members opposed it, 34 voted in favor and five abstained.

Former US ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro, and former Under-Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, who took part in drafting the foreign policy chapter, both addressed the committee and called to oppose the measure.

"Israel has no better friend than Joe Biden," said Sherman. "[Biden's] commitment to Israel's security is and will remain ironclad." She noted that Israel is facing critical threats from every direction. "Our assistance to Israel is a mutually beneficial investment. One that protects Israel against very real threats and helps promote security and stability in the region."

some more from here too: https://jewishinsider.com/2020/07/dnc-denies-motion-to-condition-aid-to-israel-mention-occupation/

The amendment was proposed on Monday afternoon by Clem Balanoff, a Bernie Sanders delegate and the executive director of the Illinois chapter of Our Revolution, a pro-Sanders organization. After a brief discussion during the committee's virtual meeting, 117 members voted to oppose the amendment, while 34 supported the measure. The vote had five abstentions.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) supported the amendment, according to Arab American Institute President James Zogby, who was a Sanders appointee to the 2016 platform committee.

The platform's Israel plank includes language that expresses support for the U.S.-Israel alliance, a commitment to security funding for Israel and support for the two-state solution "that ensures Israel's future as a Jewish and democratic state with recognized borders and upholds the right of Palestinians to live in freedom and security in a viable state of their own." The platform also notes opposition to "unilateral steps by either side — including annexation — that undermine prospects for two states" and opposition to "settlement expansion."

Democratic Majority for Israel CEO Mark Mellman said in a statement that the platform "continues and expands upon our party's proud tradition, and Joe Biden's long history, of supporting a strong U.S.-Israel relationship." Jewish Democratic Council of America Executive Director Halie Soifer said the final version of the platform "reflects Joe Biden and Democrats' strong support of Israel."
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
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Oct 25, 2017
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Official Staff Communication
This thread is not about terminology, your fellow users, or anything but the news covered in the OP. What Israel is doing is unconscionable no matter what you call it, and the DNC's decisions on the subject are worthy of criticism even if they are in line with mainstream US politics.

You can either discuss that, or receive a hefty ban.
 
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Kotto

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Nov 3, 2017
4,466
DNC continues to be utterly useless as always. Can't even bring itself to separate ties with a genocidal state.

Can't wait for the cheeks to turn and the finger wagging to happen when Israel decides to kick up another military campaign to kill more Palestinians.
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
38,548
The DNC are the only ones who believe in a two state solution these days. Israel's leadership doesn't even pay it lip service.
 

Orayn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Republicans bend over backwards to appease Israel because they admire how well they do the oppressive ethnostate thing, and/or believe they play an important role in the biblical apocalypse.

Democrats just do it out of political inertia and not wanting to rock the boat, I guess? It's just tradition?

Hell, Bernie is MILDLY critical of the state of Israel SOMETIMES and doesn't even support BDS, and people still came down on him really hard about that.
 

¡Hip Hop!

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Nov 9, 2017
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The DNC must really like free pins.

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The amount of control they have over narratives and speech in other countries is insane to me. The DNC doesn't get a free pass.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Republicans bend over backwards to appease Israel because they admire how well they do the oppressive ethnostate thing, and/or believe they play an important role in the biblical apocalypse.

Democrats just do it out of political inertia and not wanting to rock the boat, I guess? It's just tradition?

Hell, Bernie is MILDLY critical of the state of Israel SOMETIMES and doesn't even support BDS, and people still came down on him really hard about that.
It's mostly due to poll numbers. The American public, including Democrats, supports Israel quite strongly, with only some small dips in the last couple years, and that support is fairly strong on both sides of the aisle. The party as a whole sees itself as following public opinion, not leading it, so their position will shift if/when public opinion ever shifts. Lobbying certainly has some influence but the numbers are the main factor.

news.gallup.com

Americans, but Not Liberal Democrats, Mostly Pro-Israel

Americans continue to view Israel favorably and back the Israelis more than the Palestinians, but the extent of that support slipped a bit in 2019.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's mostly due to poll numbers. The American public, including Democrats, supports Israel quite strongly, with only some small dips in the last couple years, and that support is fairly strong on both sides of the aisle. The party as a whole sees itself as following public opinion, not leading it, so their position will shift if/when public opinion ever shifts. Lobbying certainly has some influence but the numbers are the main factor.

news.gallup.com

Americans, but Not Liberal Democrats, Mostly Pro-Israel

Americans continue to view Israel favorably and back the Israelis more than the Palestinians, but the extent of that support slipped a bit in 2019.
The poll numbers are also a product of lobbying as well. Americans take their cues from politicians and media.
 

medinaria

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Oct 30, 2017
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I, too, dream that one day, my child will ask me "why didn't you do anything to stop the ethnic cleansing of palestinians"

and I will stand up proudly and say "well son, because it polled well in the heartland. there was nothing I could do"
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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Just another day in American/Israeli politics.

They're right that Biden is Israel's best friend. He went over Obama on this one even.
 

tulpa

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's mostly due to poll numbers. The American public, including Democrats, supports Israel quite strongly, with only some small dips in the last couple years, and that support is fairly strong on both sides of the aisle. The party as a whole sees itself as following public opinion, not leading it, so their position will shift if/when public opinion ever shifts. Lobbying certainly has some influence but the numbers are the main factor.
Nonsense. If they were taking a lead from public opinion and polling numbers, the platform wouldn't have overwhelmingly voted down marijuana legalization and Medicare for all. Both of those are popular issues with high polling numbers, yet shockingly low support in the platform committee. This is about neoliberal ideology.
 

sirap

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Oct 25, 2017
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Every year I hope for change, but it only seems to get worse. Netanyahu's never stepping down, is he? He's like a goddamn cockroach and American politicians on both sides are falling over themselves to support him.
 

Dyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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The poll numbers are also a product of lobbying as well. Americans take their cues from politicians and media.
Very true, to a certain degree the whole system is tainted by it.
Nonsense. If they were taking a lead from public opinion and polling numbers, the platform wouldn't have overwhelmingly voted down marijuana legalization and Medicare for all. Both of those are popular issues with high polling numbers, yet shockingly low support in the platform committee. This is about neoliberal ideology.
They're different kinds of issues and voters respond to them differently. Israel is a wedge issue, taking a strong stance will actively push a not insignificant group of voters away and provide the opposing party with a clear and simple line of attack, while weed is not a wedge issue and will not push voters away as it's understood, and clearly shown in the party platform, that Democrats are better on it anyway. Politicians being out of touch on weed is a tale as old as time but voters don't mobilize on weed unless it's up for a referendum. M4A is not really popular, the idea is popular but the actual policy proposal is not, and it is not the leading position on the matter within Democratic voters and definitely isn't among the electorate, so no shock it doesn't end up on the party platform. The role of the party platform is to win elections, not to guide policy, and thus it shouldn't be surprising that its points are primarily built around achieving electoral success.
 

TheAndyMan

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Feb 11, 2019
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Shouldn't this be a red line for Israel? No? Then how can you be against annexation, Israel's human rights violations without actually you know, conditioning aid. All bark and no bite with the Dems.
 

tulpa

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Oct 28, 2017
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Israel is a wedge issue, taking a strong stance will actively push a not insignificant group of voters away and provide the opposing party with a clear and simple line of attack, while weed is not a wedge issue and will not push voters away as it's understood, and clearly shown in the party platform, that Democrats are better on it anyway. Politicians being out of touch on weed is a tale as old as time but voters don't mobilize on weed unless it's up for a referendum
Come on. The idea that voters care more about foreign policy towards Israel than domestic drug policy, which affects many different issues including policing and the justice system, is just ridiculous. Israel is not a mobilizing political issue in the US other than to a group of evangelicals who are lost to the Democratic party anyway. You're just coming up with excuses at this point.
M4A is not really popular, the idea is popular but the actual policy proposal is not
This canard is such bullshit and is largely based on push polls. It's absolutely a popular position and is much more popular than some of the deeply unpopular positions adopted by the platform.
 

Terra Firma

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Oct 25, 2017
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The only peaceful way would be to create a viable, well funded Palestinian counterpart to AIPAC that can function as well, if not better, than AIPAC. Also, anti-Arab racism is trivialized to such an extent that attacking Palestinians, insulting Arabs, etc. is seen as normal so Americans largely have a negative and caricatured image of the Palestinians and Arabs as a whole.
 

Codeblue

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Oct 25, 2017
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Very true, to a certain degree the whole system is tainted by it.

They're different kinds of issues and voters respond to them differently. Israel is a wedge issue, taking a strong stance will actively push a not insignificant group of voters away and provide the opposing party with a clear and simple line of attack, while weed is not a wedge issue and will not push voters away as it's understood, and clearly shown in the party platform, that Democrats are better on it anyway. Politicians being out of touch on weed is a tale as old as time but voters don't mobilize on weed unless it's up for a referendum. M4A is not really popular, the idea is popular but the actual policy proposal is not, and it is not the leading position on the matter within Democratic voters and definitely isn't among the electorate, so no shock it doesn't end up on the party platform. The role of the party platform is to win elections, not to guide policy, and thus it shouldn't be surprising that its points are primarily built around achieving electoral success.

Not sure what's worse between the role of the party platform being to cynically say anything in an effort to appeal to John Kasich and his relatives, or if the party platform is this terrible.
 

Oddish1

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nonsense. If they were taking a lead from public opinion and polling numbers, the platform wouldn't have overwhelmingly voted down marijuana legalization and Medicare for all. Both of those are popular issues with high polling numbers, yet shockingly low support in the platform committee. This is about neoliberal ideology.
Public option is more popular than medicare for all which is what they went with.
 

orochi91

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Oct 26, 2017
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Canada
This farce never ends.

The level of influence the Israeli government has on other countries is absolutely wild.
 

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Nov 7, 2017
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I also hate the "oh they're the only democracy in the region and that's why we have to support them"

Like even ignoring the fact that Israel is a settler colony founded through force against the will of the majority of the people living there (who had nothing to do with the Holocaust) the West since the turn of the 20th century in the middle east has

- drawn random borders to make new countries ignoring any issues with factionalism or history
- extracted the natural resources of those countries to their own benefit
- put countries under their mandate or protectorate or what have you against the will of the locals
- propped up authoritarian leaders
- stoked religious division
- funded and trained extremist radicals
- defended dictators against uprisings and protests
- helped stage a coup against democratically elected leaders
- committed mass bombing campaigns
- ignored famines, genocide and other humanitarian crises
- started a war based on false pretenses and through sheer naivete, cruelty and incompetence completely underestimated what it takes to actually build a nation state and left countries in ruins

And that's just in the past 100 years or so!

The Middle East would be a much better place today if the West never got involved, it's our fault that Israel is the only democracy in the region, not because Muslims hate democracy or whatever other nonsense propaganda people spout.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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This was expected. Absolutely reprehensible.