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John Caboose

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Are there any good resources that explain exactly why the US support for Israel is so strong? Asking as a complete outsider.
 

Hollywood Duo

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Tell us how you really feel OP. The text clearly indicated some modicum of support for Palestine and no expansion of current borders. Not ideal obviously but its quite different than what your title suggests.
 

Africanus II

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In addition to compromising on marijuana legislation and inevitably the unemployment benefits, will anyone please tell me the inspiring part?
 

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Who's surprised? Not me, being shit to Palestinians is bipartisan.

Using that unity bullshit excuse and saying one thing while doing the other.
 

Icolin

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Who's surprised? Not me, being shit to Palestinians is bipartisan.

Using that unity bullshit excuse and saying one thing while doing the other.

https://jewishinsider.com/2020/07/dnc-denies-motion-to-condition-aid-to-israel-mention-occupation/

"For the first time, we say clearly and by name our opposition to Israeli settlement expansion. For the first time, we state clearly and by name our opposition to Israel's annexation of territory of the West Bank. We state clearly that we will continue to stand against incitement and terror, and for the first time, we recognize the right of Palestinians to live in a state of their own. And it also makes clear that we will always defend American citizens' constitutional right to free speech on these issues, even as we oppose efforts to delegitimize or single out Israel."


this is the zenith of centrism. "yes we oppose annexation but we will not do anything to prevent it from going forward. we recognize the right of Palestinians but they should leave the land that was stolen from them. we believe in free speech but we do also strongly encourage not criticizing Israel"
 

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Again a reminder that neither party has the best interests of the average AMERICAN citizen at heart. The vast majority of them are bought by Israel.
 

Hellwarden

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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Before someone jumps down my throat, I am voting for Biden.
 

Sanguine

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Disappointing, but not surprising. It's like one of the only thing that is truly bi-partisan anymore.
 

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I'm not surprised at all. Nope. Fuck Isreal now and forever and fuck the democrats siding with them. :)
 

lenovox1

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Again a reminder that neither party has the best interests of the average AMERICAN citizen at heart. The vast majority of them are bought by Israel.

???

That's is extremely dangerous language, but the OP's title invites it.

Most American's, including left leaning Democrats, support the ongoing US support of Israel.

The government also sees Israel as an important buffer and ally in a geographical region where the US has limited direct political influence. No "buying" required.
 

Xaszatm

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???

That's is extremely dangerous language, but the OP's title invites it.

Most American's, including left leaning Democrats, support the ongoing US support of Israel.

The government also sees Israel as an important buffer and ally in a geographical region where the US has limited direct political influence. No "buying" required.

And this justifies the horrific genocide against Palestinians how?
 

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Expected but still disgusting. And this:

The platform's Israel plank includes language that expresses support for the U.S.-Israel alliance, a commitment to security funding for Israel and support for the two-state solution "that ensures Israel's future as a Jewish and democratic state with recognized borders and upholds the right of Palestinians to live in freedom and security in a viable state of their own."

Ensuring Israel's future as a Jewish state is counter to our American ideals. It is broadly incompatible with the 21st century Western world today, to have an ethnostate where conditions of apartheid thrive, where war crimes against a captive population are encouraged. Israel should not be a US ally until these issues are resolved.

???

That's is extremely dangerous language, but the OP's title invites it.

Most American's, including left leaning Democrats, support the ongoing US support of Israel.

The government also sees Israel as an important buffer and ally in a geographical region where the US has limited direct political influence. No "buying" required.

The number of Americans who support Israel isn't that much over 50% last I checked, and it's falling. Americans, particularly on the left, are growing tired of Israel's shit, particularly Netanyahu's government.
 

fragamemnon

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Dunking the left because they proposed something not popular and problematic is great to see.

Come back next time when you've built popular support for your positions.
 

dabig2

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???

That's is extremely dangerous language, but the OP's title invites it.

Most American's, including left leaning Democrats, support the ongoing US support of Israel.

The government also sees Israel as an important buffer and ally in a geographical region where the US has limited direct political influence. No "buying" required.

I can't imagine still believing this shit in 2020 after all that has gone down in just this century alone .

mondoweiss.net

‘New York Times’ reports that Jewish donors shape Democrats’ regressive position on Israel

This weekend the New York Times breaks one of the biggest taboos, describing the responsibility of Jewish donors for the Democratic Party’s slavish support for Israel. Nathan Thrall’s groundbreaking…
According to Ben Rhodes, a former deputy national-security adviser and one of Obama's closest confidants, several members of the Obama administration wanted to adopt a more assertive policy toward Israel but felt that their hands were tied. "The Washington view of Israel-Palestine is still shaped by the donor class… The donor class is profoundly to the right of where the activists are, and frankly, where the majority of the Jewish community is." Peter Joseph, an emeritus chairman of the center-left Israel Policy Forum, told me that the views of major Democratic Jewish donors could act as a check on the leftward pull by progressive voters who are strongly critical of Israel: "I can't imagine that mainstream Democratic Jewish donors are going to be happy about any Democratic Party that is moving in that direction."
Another former member of the Obama White House, who asked not to be named, fearing professional retaliation, said that concerns about donors among Democrats dominated not just "what was done but what was not done, and what was not even contemplated." Even the timing of the administration's policies toward Israel was dictated by domestic politics. Faced with a 2016 United Nations Security Council resolution condemning settlements, the Obama administration abstained (effectively supporting the resolution), but only after having signaled it would not consider backing any resolution before November. "There is a reason the U.N. vote did not come up before the election in November," the former official said. "Was it because you were going to lose voters to Donald Trump? No. It was because you were going to have skittish donors. That, and the fact that we didn't want Clinton to face pressure to condemn the resolution or be damaged by having to defend it."

Has nothing to do with the "majority" or whatever and everything to do with donor dollars AKA being bought by a power hellbent on keeping up a racist ethnostate with support and backing of Americans whether they like it or not.
 

supra

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Dunking the left because they proposed something not popular and problematic is great to see.

Come back next time when you've built popular support for your positions.
M4A and cannabis legalization have majority support from the public and the party, Neera. Maybe it's problematic for keeping donor money flowing into a bunch of party jagoffs pockets that should have been unemployed four years ago.
 

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Tell us how you really feel OP. The text clearly indicated some modicum of support for Palestine and no expansion of current borders. Not ideal obviously but its quite different than what your title suggests.
The support is toothless. Saying you respect Palestinians right to live but then continue giving billions in aid for weapons and defense to Israel unconditionally and refusal to condemn the current occupation...
 

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OP has so little faith in the community to discuss this topic rationally they had to shit out that thread title.
More like OP has so little faith in people to discuss Israel rationally so they needed to remind everyone they're a genocidal ethnostate in case others forget.
 

Valkrai

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Dunking the left because they proposed something not popular and problematic is great to see.

Come back next time when you've built popular support for your positions.

Maybe not be a ghoul and endorse a genocidal ethnostate

Also don't be such a coward and post how you really feel about Israel.
 

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Shaun Solo

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M4A and cannabis legalization have majority support from the public and the party, Neera. Maybe it's problematic for keeping donor money flowing into a bunch of party jagoffs pockets that should have been unemployed four years ago.
Yup, the defense of "its just not popular enough!" has and will always be complete bullshit.
 

Icolin

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Jesus Christ. I literally have no words. How can you be this heartless to fucking mock this!?!

www.vox.com

Every person killed in Israel-Palestine since 2000

It shows just how lop-sided the conflict has become.

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and this is just up to 2014. great to see the left dunked for opposing this am i right!
 

fragamemnon

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Some perspective here-the idea that Israel is a 'genocidal ethnostate' is also super duper fringe and is also not popular.

The Democratic party is a big tent party based on doing things that appeal to a wide variety of people. Make your position on Israel popular, and the party will come along.
 

lenovox1

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Support for Israel is absolutely shifting and...

Sanctioning Israel is a bit to the left of where the voters of the Democratic party are today, whether Democratic politicians are lobbied hard by AIPAC or not.
 
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