The trailer does seem to add a bit more of a patriotic tone from than what I remember.
Edit: someone else thinks that: https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ney-is-bowing-to-china-anti-democratic-agenda
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Disney's Mulan Actress Liu Yifei Supports Police in Hong Kong
- Thread starter YawZah
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The trailer does seem to add a bit more of a patriotic tone from than what I remember.
Edit: someone else thinks that: https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ney-is-bowing-to-china-anti-democratic-agenda
Idk in my experience it seems like the wealthier mainland people either think they're protesting the wrong things or are just against the protests completely. Even people who I know are in support of the Uyghurs seem to have a similar opinion of the HK protests for some reason . I'm suprised when I hear even slight support of the protesters from them.
Even if she was told to post this, I wouldn't be suprised if she actually feels that way
CCP: Hey, by the way, Liu Yifei's publicist/agency, where does your little star fall on the patriotic spectrum? We're very curious. By the way, her family seems to be doing okay, for now.
Agency: I, uh...she'll release a statement today, don't worry.
I think the process is something like that. I don't think "she could just say nothing" is really how it works in a totalitarian system.
Agency: I, uh...she'll release a statement today, don't worry.
I think the process is something like that. I don't think "she could just say nothing" is really how it works in a totalitarian system.
Kaiser Kuo wrote an incredible article about this sort of thing:
Why Do Chinese People Like Their Government?
It's really interesting to think about it from the other side.
Why Do Chinese People Like Their Government?
It's really interesting to think about it from the other side.
This is Chinese propaganda crossing into the magical world of Disney and it's problematic.
Disney would be making pro trump movies if they thought that is what would give them the best ROI
Do all prominent Chinese people make similar statements? Because if not then I don't see this whole 'she was forced to say this' argument as making much sense. It just comes across more as an excuse for a shitty statement than anything to me.
It's certainly shitty, but she'd be throwing her life away if she took any other stance... perhaps literally. Plus I'm sure state-owned Chinese media and state-censored Chinese social media are not exactly reporting on the situation fairly.
This.
If we start making threads about innocuous bullshit then yeah that's a problem, but a celebrity being okay with authoritarian garbage? That's something that should be brought to light so the person can be named and shamed as a result.
nothing will happen in response to this because Disney is gonna make more money from this in China than any other one of their live action remakes
I don't think they force anyone to make a statement but they definitely destroy anyone that say anything against them. But be prepared when you're asked.
Can't get on the rage train for this. It's sad but there is no way to tell if this is her opinion or her agency's
Recently numerous Hong Kong and Taiwanese celebs have made similar statments. Difficult to say if they just love china dollars or if their agency make these comments.
Well yeah, but the question is whether she had to say something regarding the situation. The Chinese propaganda machine is big but I can't imagine it's so big that it bothers to force random Chinese-born celebrities like Liu Yifei to make posts like that (especially since the post itself is a retweet instead of a more formal propaganda-like statement).
She isn't from Hong Kong or Taiwan, though. In fact she's an American citizen so I don't see why China would take the risk of trying to covertly coerce her or her agent like that.
Was she going supposed to have any other opinion? It's either agree and shill for the government or disappear as a celebrity.
We don't know if it is her honest opinion, if she is doing it to protect herself, or if she is just a brainwashed stooge. It's impossible to know.
We don't know if it is her honest opinion, if she is doing it to protect herself, or if she is just a brainwashed stooge. It's impossible to know.
I speak as a Hong Konger: Oh piss off.
China has been forceful and trying to force businesses and entertainers to make statements like these. And of course they are complying, especially those that don't live in HK.
Oh well. I never cared about the Mulan film anyway. It was always made to pander to the mainland.
China has been forceful and trying to force businesses and entertainers to make statements like these. And of course they are complying, especially those that don't live in HK.
Oh well. I never cared about the Mulan film anyway. It was always made to pander to the mainland.
Sure, but the point is that if you need access to the PRC market for your career, you gotta tow the line.
Many celebrities and prominent folks make these comments, yes. It's not about making an excuse, it's about recognizing the social/political system at work. China insists on stars making statements like these. She may actually believe it. I don't know. But it would be blind to ignore that the Communist Party's hand is at work, much of the time, in statements/retweets/support, etc. If you aren't asked to do it or gently demanded to it, you might do it to get into the good graces of people in power or to guarantee the safety of your career, yourself, or your family's lives.
For one thing, Liu Yifei may be a box-office poison queen, but she is not some random celeb, one of the biggest rising star 10 years ago.
She has been working in mainland china since she was 16, does it matters where is she from? A ban from government is a death sentence for her career.
Oh, then she probably is just propaganda machine for china. I'll give benefit of doubt for Taiwan/HK stars but even then I'm more then willing to say they fear for their careers and not for their families. But anyone who picks career over their country is a collaborator and deserves worse then career death.
I doubt it. Her adoptive father is one of the richest people in China. Even if the CCP told her to post that, I'd be surprised if she didn't agree with it anyway.
Yes, but that doesn't explain why she would be forced to make this post in the first place.
And it's not an excuse for someone like her. She has enough money that could easily move to America and live the high life for the rest of her days.
Maybe, but I feel that when it comes to situations like this referring simply to "oh she would probably just be put into a camp!" or, even worse, "oh she's just doing it for her career" as the reason for posting such a statement is making an excuse. To me it really does seem like this is what she believes, and the fact that this isn't even a formal 'statement' makes it more clear; if China really wanted to spread their propaganda through her then why would they ask her to do so via a generalised retweet of a vague post? It just doesn't seem to be as clear cut as "she was forced to and doesn't actually believe it, to me.
They referred to Hong Kong and Taiwanese people, and I just corrected them.
Though it does matter that she's an American citizen because, unlike most Chinese mainlanders, she does have an 'out' that would prevent China from 'disappearing' her, and her family is rich and powerful enough to protect themselves as well.
Not to defense any of this.
But why I would I want an out if I start in one of biggest movie next from Disney market specific to chinese. And make little sense to risk it all for HK and she is not even from there, she lived and worked in china for than 10 years. The best thing she or anyone could do is silence.
Crazy that we are at a point in China where there's speculation that an actress is shilling for police brutality due to government coercion... And it's actually believable
"Well what's she suppose to say? It would be career suicide to support the Hong Kong Protestors."
You could say nothing and choose not to actively support police brutality. Big difference between choosing to stay out of it and outright positing support for one side.
You could say nothing and choose not to actively support police brutality. Big difference between choosing to stay out of it and outright positing support for one side.
That's what I said. Don't weigh in publicly at all rather than support the authoritarian side.
yeah this was my hunch that they have to because of their celeb status.
She's American so she's probably trying to save face and keep herself in good standing with the motherland so they don't railroad her career.
As for everyone else...Mainland Chinese are fed whatever narrative the state controlled media choose. If they told them the protestors were Martians, they'd all believe they're Martians.
People who do see the truth are their version of Alex Jones conspiracy wackos
As for everyone else...Mainland Chinese are fed whatever narrative the state controlled media choose. If they told them the protestors were Martians, they'd all believe they're Martians.
People who do see the truth are their version of Alex Jones conspiracy wackos
She's an American citizen who is starring in a massive American blockbuster. If she's still believing the Chinese media at this point then that's entirely on her.
