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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’
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Agreed completely!
However the track records of many companies chasing similar success has proven more consistent than the ONE or two successes.
To be blunt/fair I'm done with the MCU for the most part outside of Spiderman after Endgame, and have no investment on the rest of it, but an exception doesn't disprove the rule imo.
I disagree on some of the other movies, for example I think Ragnarok is a complete dumpster fire as is GOTG2, but that's the nature of differing opinions in media. We'll see if it does end up not being renewed if Sony can step up to the plate. As much as I'll be cheering for Disney to stop owning everything, I also want quality and too many pieces of media are there to cash in on a brand these days to me.
Good chat though!
While this is true comic book sales are peanuts compare to the money spidey 2 game will make.
We talking about a game that sold 13.2 million is less than a year .
Disney bought Marvel for $4Bn and between Endgame and Captain Marvel, they grossed basically that much in box office receipts in the last 5 months, plus in that same period they just handed Sony their highest grossing film ever on a silver platter.
It's worth it.
I think this too actually. They have almost too much on the plate now and they haven't even touched Fantastic Four or the entire X-Men Universe. It's great having Spiderman but I think they are fine without. I don't even know how he fits anymore with the current slate of upcoming content.
The studio that made the most successful Spider-Man movies and made him more culturally relevant than ever is greedy for wanting 50% of the profits for movies they made entirely in their own while Sony just sat back and raked in the profits? 🤔
Well, this was the inevitable end, but I was hoping to at least have a few more years.
I don't even know how you move forward in the story without acknowledging that Spider man is no longer in the MCU
I don't even know how you move forward in the story without acknowledging that Spider man is no longer in the MCU
Now that's a man with an eye for quality. Spider-man is in good hands, not like with that Feige hack
It's equally absurd to think Sony would have generated those levels of profit without their Spider-Man films being attached to the MCU.
Do you have any idea how much momentum and cache was behind Far From Home because it was the first MCU film post-Endgame?
They're both greedy companies looking to maximize profits. It just so happens Disney has all the chips given the success of the MCU.
Are we comparing Spiderman movies? because one could argue the 2 or even 3 best Spiderman movies were ones that Sony made on their own.
They better be able to work this shit out. Spiderman is the best remaining part of the MCU and Tom Holland is the best Spiderman we have ever had.
This is fucking bullshit.
This is fucking bullshit.
Just the regular one? Spider-man is great but most of the MCU films (by a vast margin) don't have him. They will be more than fine. To think a single thing would change if Spider-man disappeared tomorrow requires Terrence Howard levels of denial. And we saw how that turned out. While Sony blows $400m on Venom 2, Marvel will go make another billion on the Slapstick movie or something.
because sony should be smart to accept a 50/50 cofinance deal where they lose more bo return while marvel still getting all the merch. also, marvel would maybe help with other sony marvel movies. it didn't seem right in the calculators for sony so they said no. no one asks for 50/50 cofinance for little return.
people are siding with Disney because the MCU is good, new Spidey is great, and Feige is the reason for both, and Sony is bad at this. Disney has a right to be greedy in this instance because they make better products. Sony wants to take their ball and go home? Goooooood luck.
What's funny is that Feige and MCU folks actually have the chops to fix this in the films moving forward and for it to actually make sense, somehow. Ask yourselves what is the very best thing Sony could do, even with Holland, and well, nightmares man.
What's funny is that Feige and MCU folks actually have the chops to fix this in the films moving forward and for it to actually make sense, somehow. Ask yourselves what is the very best thing Sony could do, even with Holland, and well, nightmares man.
To be clear, there is no good guy and bad guy, these are corporations bickering over an IP.
Framing this a "good guy vs bad guy" is painfully embarassing, no matter what you think about the situation.
Into the Spidey-verse>>>>>>>>>>>all those other spidey movies.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 did terrible. You can't look at the total gross without looking at the budget + marketing budget.
https://deadline.com/2015/03/amazing-spider-man-2-profit-box-office-2014-1201389608/
These companies don't put big dollars, effort, and energy to make that pitiful of an RoI. See also: BvS and Justice League.
They don't have eternal rights. I don't remember the time frame, but there needs to be something in production for them to retain them.
exactly. now they dont get any of the money or get to use him.
Spiderverse is hugely overrated. Not even Top 3.
He is likely to do that anyways, the guy can't keep a secret. I know he has a couple of cons coming up, If someone asks him about Sony/Disney, I wonder how that will turn out
Y'all keep bringing up Spiderverse when people are spelling out that they want Holland to remain in the MCU
Anyone invested in Spider-Man being a part of that universe loses today
Venom made almost $900 million ... giving away 1/2 your profit so you can maybe make $100 million more simply isn't smart business.
If Sony can keep the same writers from the last movie on board with a cushy pay raise, the quality of the films should maintain and now being able to cross over with Venom should add $$$.
If Sony can keep the same writers from the last movie on board with a cushy pay raise, the quality of the films should maintain and now being able to cross over with Venom should add $$$.
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Gotta admit its hilarious to watch MCU fan boys having meltdowns.
Manabyte is having a full on mental break down on Twitter.
Manabyte is having a full on mental break down on Twitter.
It's basically exactly what Disney wants. They didn't want to go into D23 without anything to say about Spider-Man, and leaking this story to the press frames Sony as being arrogant and fucking the character up for the third consecutive time. Sony gets pressured into making a counteroffer, Disney gets to make the good news in front of fans & press.
Disney's got more to lose out of this than Sony, honestly. Sony's got the contracts with creative to turn out follow up films that can likely be successful without the MCU, and can be used to boost their non-Spiderman spin-off movies. The whole Venom universe won't ever make as much as the MCU, but at least Sony keeps all of it instead of giving half to a competitor.
Meanwhile, Disney now has to write their new posterboy out of the spotlight - immediately.
Anyone who thinks this is going to harm Disney more or even an equal amount comparative to Sony is delusional.
Because if Disney is going to be putting up more money to finance the film, you can be absolutely certain they are going to be asking for a lot more in return profits; that is likely why Sony walked. They aren't just going to offer to spend hundreds of millions on co-financing a film with Sony and still only make 5% of the first dollar gross. Disney is a business after all. There are clearly other factors that aren't being reported. Why else did Sony want to keep the status quo? Sony are the ones spending the money to make the films as they are right now so you think they'd be okay with a 50/50 co-financing split? Well, not if Disney is asking for a significantly higher amount than 5% first dollar gross. I mean, it might have even been a 50/50 revenue split, 20% first dollar, etc, etc.
i dont believe the contract is public knowledge, but since the movies seem to pop up every 5 years or so, id assume that.
I mean I hope they really work it out, if not maybe have the characters reference a funeral and not mention who died but we all know who it was....
Spider-Verse was as good as it was largely due to Lord and Miller, who aren't attached to the sequel. Sony signed them for Animated Series though.
ASM 2 made roughly $700 million on a $293 million budget. Considering films largely aren't considered profitable until after they double their budget, ASM 2 was a financial bomb considering the property.
For comparison:
ASM 1 made $757 mill on a $230 mill budget.
Spiderman made $821 mill on a $139 mill budget
Spiderman 2 made $783 mill on a $200 mill budget
Spiderman 3 made $890 mill on a $258 mill budget.
Spiderman Homecoming made $880 mill on a $175 mill budget
Spiderman Far From home made $1.1 billion on a $160 mill budget
Sony needs creatives with a clear vision and understanding in order to make Spidey films reach their best profit potential. And we haven't seen that consistently from them. This decision isn't a no-brainer from Sony. It's a gamble. It might pay off but it might not. We have to wait and see.
Tom Watts and Tom Holland are signed for two more films. Sony will make those without Fiege/MCU heroes.
Hope Sony enjoys not making anywhere near the amount of money they could have with Marvel.
Spider-Verse rules but isn't a money maker. Hopefully Disney and Sony can renegotiate a deal.
Spider-Verse rules but isn't a money maker. Hopefully Disney and Sony can renegotiate a deal.
Sony still gonna make tons of money with unrelated MCU Spider-Man content if even Venom can make money for them, and if Disney really wants it that badly
they'll pay Sony even more money to get this over with which just means more disney bucks for Sony. Sony would make so much money with the dangling carrot of Spider Man over Disney's mouth, Marvel was just really stupid to sell of movie deals early on so sucks to be them.
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