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I swear to god, people's knowledge of a monopoly doesn't extend beyond the fucking board game.
As someone who extensively studied labor history in the United States it's clear that Disney would have already gotten hit with the antitrust stick at the height of enforcement.

Frankly movie studios owning their own streaming services is bordering on a return to the studio system and should be a key focus for antitrust.

Disney now owning over 40% of the movie industry in the United States along with now owning a major majority share of Hulu and starting their own service is worrying.

Disney also extensively lobbies state and federal government to prevent enforcement.


Disney needs to face real, hardcore antitrust action.
 

SpankyDoodle

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Only because they A) Haven't bought out the competition yet, and B) will leave behind some token sudio that has no real effect on the market to go "see we're totally not a monopoly."

Again, lamo at anybody defending Disney.
So you agree they aren't a monopoly and never will be glad to see you have your head on straight
 
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Also, it feels like these news pop up once every 2-3 months...with one tweet saying 'Yeah we can't do that' and then you have other theaters saying 'We can still do that'
 

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The only thing Disney is guilty of monopolizing is our hearts with their competitive slate of family friendly entertainment products. Stay tuned for more information about Disney's new streaming service Disney+, debuting Fall 2019. (Founders Circle available for D23 members. Save $23 a year for three (3) years (US only))
 

Sephzilla

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Anybody defending Disney doesn't even have an opinion worth discarding. It's only worth laughing at.

So lmao at defending Disney.
I'm not defending Disney here.

I'm calling out people who misuse terms they have no understanding of because it makes them look like complete morons.
 

SpankyDoodle

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No they're a Monopoly and I laugh at you defending them
I'm not defending Disney I'm defending the English language from fucking idiots who don't know what words mean, I could give a shit what company was being called a monopoly, none of them are a monopoly or anywhere close to it

I'm not defending Disney here.

I'm calling out people who misuse terms they have no understanding of because it makes them look like complete morons.
This, exactly. jfc
 

SweetVermouth

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Disney isn't a monopoly but they do control 40% of the world's box office. That's worrying to have one company have that much power.
Not too long ago Paramount Pictures was the highest grossing movie company, look where they are now. If people don't want Disney to be that big maybe they should stop watching that Marvel crap.
 

Sephzilla

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As someone who extensively studied labor history in the United States it's clear that Disney would have already gotten hit with the antitrust stick at the height of enforcement.

Frankly movie studios owning their own streaming services is bordering on a return to the studio system and should be a key focus for antitrust.

Disney now owning over 40% of the movie industry in the United States along with now owning a major majority share of Hulu and starting their own service is worrying.

Disney also extensively lobbies state and federal government to prevent enforcement.


Disney needs to face real, hardcore antitrust action.
....Are you really arguing that a company shouldn't be allowed to put out their own streaming service for their own products?
 

Pata Hikari

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Maybe if you keep repeating the same sentence over and over like a three-year-old you'll convince somebody.
If somebody is defending Disney after everything they've done then there's no point in doing anything but laughing at them.

Acting like somehow calling a company that is buying up all its competition and using its sheer size and power to dominate the market they are in a "monopoly" is a bad thing because they haven't finished destroying the market yet is absurd.

Disney is a Monopoly, and if the government was doing its job it would have been broken up long ago let alone not being allowed to buy Fox.
 

excelsiorlef

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Yes. Just like movie studios aren't allowed to own their own theaters.

So should Disney have to say get Sony to release their DVDs and Blurays

And genius theatres are a finite quality. Studios can't own theatres because they don't want studios literally buying buildings and preventing other studios from releasing their movies in a given geographic area.

That's not what streaming is.
 

Sandstar

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If somebody is defending Disney after everything they've done then there's no point in doing anything but laughing at them.

Acting like somehow calling a company that is buying up all its competition and using its sheer size and power to dominate the market they are in a "monopoly" is a bad thing because they haven't finished destroying the market yet is absurd.

Disney is a Monopoly, and if the government was doing its job it would have been broken up long ago let alone not being allowed to buy Fox.

monopoly
[məˈnäpəlē]

NOUN
  1. the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.
    "his likely motive was to protect his regional monopoly on furs"
    • a company or group having exclusive control over a commodity or service.
      "areas where cable companies operate as monopolies"
    • a commodity or service in the exclusive control of a company or group.
      "electricity, gas, and water were considered to be natural monopolies"

Notice how it doesn't say "Exclusive possession or control of content."
 

SpankyDoodle

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monopoly
[məˈnäpəlē]

NOUN
  1. the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.
    "his likely motive was to protect his regional monopoly on furs"
    • a company or group having exclusive control over a commodity or service.
      "areas where cable companies operate as monopolies"
    • a commodity or service in the exclusive control of a company or group.
      "electricity, gas, and water were considered to be natural monopolies"

Notice how it doesn't say "Exclusive possession or control of content."
Also note that no movie studio fits this bill because none of them have absolute/exclusive control over the market thus preventing any movies but their own from being made or released
 

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That's not the same thing, like at all.
Its functionally the same thing. They control the means of exhibition for their product. Frankly any streaming service producing original content is problematic.

And prior to having their own services their licenses practices shared many similarities with block booking.

Disney owns the production, distribution, and now the exhibition of their product.

All that's missing is owning the talent.
 

Sandstar

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Its functionally the same thing. They control the means of exhibition for their product. Frankly any streaming service producing original content is problematic.

And prior to having their own services their licenses practices shared many similarities with block booking.

Disney owns the production, distribution, and now the exhibition of their product.

All that's missing is owning the talent.

Should...should they not own the Disney channel?
 

Pata Hikari

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Do you live in a parallel world where Sony, Universal, Paramount, Lions Gate and Warner Bros. don't exist?
Do you live in a parallel world where Disney isn't working to buy up every other media company that exists?

"Disney is a Monopoly" is shorthand for "Disney is working to smother the entertainment business with their sheer amount of money by buying up the competition and using it's massive size to destroy what competition it can't buy"

The only reason you can bust out the dictionary to try and counter the phrase is that Disney hasn't succeeded in it's plan yet.
 

Sephzilla

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Its functionally the same thing. They control the means of exhibition for their product. Frankly any streaming service producing original content is problematic.

And prior to having their own services their licenses practices shared many similarities with block booking.

Disney owns the production, distribution, and now the exhibition of their product.

All that's missing is owning the talent.
You're basically trying to say that any television channel that produces its own content is a problem.
 

Schlorgan

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Its functionally the same thing. They control the means of exhibition for their product. Frankly any streaming service producing original content is problematic.

And prior to having their own services their licenses practices shared many similarities with block booking.

Disney owns the production, distribution, and now the exhibition of their product.

All that's missing is owning the talent.
So Netflix shouldn't produce their own content either?
 

BDS

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Its functionally the same thing. They control the means of exhibition for their product. Frankly any streaming service producing original content is problematic.

And prior to having their own services their licenses practices shared many similarities with block booking.

Disney owns the production, distribution, and now the exhibition of their product.

All that's missing is owning the talent.

You should probably read more about the Hollywood antitrust decision. If "distributing your own product" was grounds for being a monopoly than this would apply to nearly every company that manufactures anything.
 

Sandstar

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If Disney owned the cable company, yes.


Correct.


Frankly the entire entertainment industry has been let off the leash of antitrust outside of where it concerns over the air broadcast.

But they don't own the ISPs, which is the equivalent of a cable company? So, what's your problem with Disney+?
 

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You should probably read more about the Hollywood antitrust decision. If "distributing your own product" was grounds for being a monopoly than this would apply to nearly every company that manufactures anything.
Owning the distribution isn't an inherent problem in itself, it's when they also own the exhibition to the point of forming an oligopoly, which is where we stand on the brink of today.
But they don't own the ISPs, which is the equivalent of a cable company? So, what's your problem with Disney+?
Netflix doesn't own your ISP though. Streaming services are basically equivalent to television channels.
If we still had net neutrality I'd be more inclined to agree with you (as without net neutrality studios can enter into agreements with ISPs that, in addition to owning the exhibition method, violates antitrust), but we don't so we have an issue. In all honesty Disney isn't the worst antitrust offender here, its AT&T (yet again). Now that they own Warner and services like HBO Max, in addition to owning both television and internet distribution services, they should be the prime target for new landmark antitrust action that would hopefully have a positive ripple effect through the entire industry, including Disney and Netflix among many others.

Antitrust laws, in addition to actually being enforced, need major overhauls for the realities of the 21st century. There is a lot of unchecked abuse.
 
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excelsiorlef

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If we still had net neutrality I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but we don't so we have an issue. In all honesty Disney isn't the worst antitrust offender here, its AT&T (yet again). Now that they own Warner and services like HBO Max, in addition to owning both television and internet distribution services, they should be the prime target for new landmark antitrust action that would hopefully have a positive ripple effect through the entire industry, including Disney and Netflix among many others.

And here you've struck accuracy streaming services being owned by content creators isn't the problem, ISPs owning content creators is the problem


Streaming platform and internet provider are not the same
 

SpankyDoodle

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Notice how NBC, Fox, ABC, and CBS don't have a single NBC, Fox, ABC, and CBS channel. They license out to affiliates. They don't own the channel space.
What does this mean? Like NBC doesn't "own" channel 5 across the country, it's on a different channel depending on where you are?

Cause otherwise like, you watch NBC to see 30 Rock, you watch Fox to watch The Simpsons, etc. After 100 episodes they can get syndicated out to other networks but there's totally a core NBC/Fox/ABC etc channel, it's just not the same channel number everywhere so is that what you mean?
 
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Only a matter of time before Fox Searchlight Pictures is shut down.

Searchlight is moving forward with a biopic about the guy who made the flaming cheeto and we are getting takes that Search Light is going to be shut down. There has been absolutely nothing out there even hinting at that. In fact, Searchlight is likely the safest of the studios due to the fact that Iger and Disney singles out the importance of Search Light at every opportunity.
 

Sandstar

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Owning the distribution isn't an inherent problem in itself, it's when they also own the exhibition to the point of forming an oligopoly, which is where we stand on the brink of today.


If we still had net neutrality I'd be more inclined to agree with you (as without net neutrality studios can enter into agreements with ISPs that, in addition to owning the exhibition method, violates antitrust), but we don't so we have an issue. In all honesty Disney isn't the worst antitrust offender here, its AT&T (yet again). Now that they own Warner and services like HBO Max, in addition to owning both television and internet distribution services, they should be the prime target for new landmark antitrust action that would hopefully have a positive ripple effect through the entire industry, including Disney and Netflix among many others.

Antitrust laws, in addition to actually being enforced, need major overhauls for the realities of the 21st century. There is a lot of unchecked abuse.

Why does the lack of net neutrality mean that Disney's a monopoly?