Disabling the Epic Games Launcher lowers 5800X idle temps from 50C to 37C

[Morten88]

Epic Games Launcher makes AMD Ryzen CPUs run hotter even without any game running - VideoCardz.com

Game launcher caught making Ryzen CPUs hotter. Epic Games Launcher increases the temperature of AMD Ryzen CPUs, even when idle It appears that Epic Games Launcher is making some Ryzen processors run hotter, as reported by multiple users on Reddit and verified by Hot Hardware. The applications...

videocardz.com

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Edit: Added videocardz link

 

[sredgrin]

Tried it on a ryzen 3600 and no difference.

I did have issues with EGS a year or so ago, where installing a new Nvidia driver would for whatever reason cause the EGS to ping my CPU 100 percent (and had to be forced close). Doesn't happen anymore though.

 

[Evolution of Metal]

Does anyone know if this also happens to intel cpus and what could even take up so much of the cpu?

Click to shrink...

Are you sure you don't want to ask the question whether it is true?

I have a 3600, with all the PBOs and AutoOC on, and... it doesn't happen. You open the launcher, yes, a few degrees go up because it has to load and communicate with the store, but after you minimize it, my temps go back down.

So... the first thing that you should do is verify that this information is true in the first place. Internet is full of lies and trolls. Whipping reddit's mob into something they already dislike (fuck intel, fuck EGS, fuck Jeff Bezos) is easy, upvotes will trickle down regardless of the actual content.

 

[Morten88]

So... the first thing that you should do is verify that this information is true in the first place. Internet is full of lies and trolls.

Click to shrink...

Seems like a ton of people have the problem in the reddit thread

 

[Deleted member 198]

Disabling programs that use resources lowers temperatures, shocking. You could do this with a dozen popular PC programs and chips and see a difference. Not to mention the 5800x runs nutritiously hot, and the launcher was probably updating a game in the background, it's such a non-story.

Programs like iCue are far worse across the board.

 

[JEH]

Huh. I've noticed really high idle temps for me with my 5800x...to the point I just bought an AIO cooler to see if that will help...going to try this when I get home.

 

[Exposure]

Seems like a ton of people have the problem in the reddit thread

Click to shrink...

A ton of people also said that memory.csv file totally worked for gaining FPS in Cyberpunk despite it turning out to be a file that did literally nothing.

 

[Alvis]

Let me try to close it

Oh wait I don't have it installed and I'll never install it.

Disabling programs that use resources lowers temperatures, shocking. You could do this with a dozen popular PC programs and chips and see a difference. Not to mention the 5800x runs nutritiously hot, and the launcher was probably updating a game in the background, it's such a non-story.

Programs like iCue are far worse across the board.

Click to shrink...

Funny how it doesn't happen with Steam or GOG Galaxy or Uplay or etc. And people in that thread confirm that it does indeed lower their temperature, I'm sure that every single one was updating a game AND dumb enough to not realize that that was the issue. Sounds reasonable.

A ton of people also said that memory.csv file totally worked for gaining FPS in Cyberpunk despite it turning out to be a file that did literally nothing.

Click to shrink...

A lot of people said that the Ryzen fix worked and did indeed allow the game to use all threads.

And it did

 

[Charpunk]

Seems like a ton of people have the problem in the reddit thread

Click to shrink...

Ah reddit, the bastion of truth and integrity.

 

[Morten88]

Huh. I've noticed really high idle temps for me with my 5800x...to the point I just bought an AIO cooler to see if that will help...going to try this when I get home.

Click to shrink...

Please let us know if its true or not

 

[Evolution of Metal]

Seems like a ton of people have the problem in the reddit thread

Click to shrink...

I would still take it with a huge grain of salt, and probably wait for the tech youtubers/reviews to verify this. It could be true, but definitely not taking this information from reddit's comments.

 

[Smoolio]

Just tried it on my 5800x, 55c to 45c in a few min.

Edit: back up to 48c, pretty anecdotal.

 

[Mr.Deadshot]

Can't confirm the problem with a Ryzen 3800x.
Epic Store has been smooth sailing for me since forever. Apparently, there is an advantage in being super basic, lol.

 

[Calabi]

Makes sense I just noticed with the Epic Launcher closed and sitting in my taskbar it has about 3% to 5% cpu usage.

 

[Exposure]

A lot of people said that the Ryzen fix worked and did indeed allow the game to use all threads.

And it did

Click to shrink...

Funny you should bring that up:


When people actually tested it, they found the opposite of what was being claimed: lower end Ryzen CPUs benefited from the hex edit mod (which bore out with how the later patch for Cyberpunk specifically mentioned they improved performance for lower end Ryzens), while they couldn't replicate the absurd performance increases people said they were getting with the higher end CPUs.

 

[Deleted member 79451]

Ah yes, the same forum with such gems such as programmers who claim csv are secret memory hacker files, and that increasing core counts in games automagically brings 30% performance boosts.

Reddit has a lot of video games snake oil these days.

 

[Evolution of Metal]

Can't confirm the problem with a Ryzen 3800x.
Epic Store has been smooth sailing for me since forever. Apparently, there is an advantage in being super basic, lol.

Click to shrink...

I don't think that EGS is as efficient as you believe it to be. It is never fast or sub-percent CPU usage. Steam is slow too, and Xbox thing is not functional for the most part.

Discord remains the benchmark in quickness and invisible resource usage for me. Sure it doesn't launch games, but it can track hundreds of channels at once with 0 inconvenience for the user.

 

[Alvis]

Funny you should bring that up:


When people actually tested it, they found the opposite of what was being claimed: lower end Ryzen CPUs benefited from the hex edit mod (which bore out with how the later patch for Cyberpunk specifically mentioned they improved performance for lower end Ryzens), while they couldn't replicate the absurd performance increases people said they were getting with the higher end CPUs.

Click to shrink...

And when did I say anything about performance increases? I'm talking about how the mod disables an arbitrary limit that has no reason to exist. And it does.

I use it on my 5800X. Does it increase my framerate? Probably not excluding some edge cases, since the game doesn't need to use all my 16 threads and my 3070 is the "bottleneck". Is there a single reason to forbid the game from using all my threads? Fuck no.

 

[Crazymoogle]

I was super skeptical, but I do see enough going on to suggest that Epic is doing something actively that takes more CPU than Steam. I mean, ignoring temps for a sec the difference in Task Manager is pretty direct: ~3% (Epic) vs. ~0.1% (Steam).

But hey, I have a 5800X so let's do a super quick/not rigorous test! CPU Tctl/Tdie Current Temp in HWiNFO64 after idling for two minutes:

• Windows Baseline (Epic/Steam not running): ~50 C
• Steam Running (Minimized to Tray): ~54 C
• Epic Running (Minimized to Tray): ~64 C
• Steam Library open (Epic is closed): ~58 C
• Epic Window open, but hidden behind Chrome: ~66.5 C

I did notice 72.5 C if you idle on the Library page, but that's as the active window - losing focus (like, say, putting a Chrome window overtop) drops the temperature immediately.

tl;dr yep, Epic uses more CPU even in the tray, which explains why temps are higher. Temps != performance though, so I can't say if this does anything other than simply make your CPU a bit hotter. Could be just the 5800X likes to aggressively ramp power stages?

 

[I_love_potatoes]

My PC goes crazy when I open Epic Games Store. The library doesn't scroll smooth either. Steam, GOG, uPlay and Origin are all fine though.

 

[Conjo]

Yeah there's something really odd with Epic's launcher. I have it set up so that I open my games through GOG Galaxy and have it close the Epic Games app when I close an Epic Games game, and it kind of does that, the icon is not there on the tray or anything. But the process is there, in the background, using 8% to 10% of my laptop's CPU according to Task Manager with "High" energy consumption...

 

[Chindogg]

EGS eats a ton of my resources. I keep it off now.

 

[Sabin]

Thermals of my 5800X. Crazymoogle

and some of the stuff thats currently running in the background.

 

[big_z]

I don't have epic store but I'm guessing there are ads on the main window and it's likely the ad rotation running in the background is why usage and temps are higher than they should be.

Or it could be crypto mining. Lol

 

[whiteninja]

Ive noticed epic is using a consistent 2% while steam (and origin) are around 0.05% or less.

 

[Deleted member 34714]

I was thinking this was bs but I just checked and the EGS launcher uses 22% of my CPU atm, wtf?

nm it dropped to 10% but still why?

 

[BeI]

I don't have epic store but I'm guessing there are ads on the main window and it's likely the ad rotation running in the background is why usage and temps are higher than they should be.

Or it could be crypto mining. Lol

Click to shrink...

Wasn't there something a while back about it doing stuff in the background, like collecting some Steam data or something?

 

[Grimminski]

My 3600 sits at 38-40C with the EGS closed, and about 45-50C with it open but minimized.

It's always doing something in the background, like scrolling through the winter sale deals and game updates.

 

[gabdeg]

I noticed this with my 5900X. Epic Games Launcher raises temps of my CPU by almost 20 degrees while all the other programs I have running combined maybe increase temps by maybe around one or two degrees all together.

Everything off: 37c
Steam, GOG Galaxy, MSI Dragon Center, Xbox App open and maximized: 37-39c
Just EGS open (minimized or maximized): 54-57c

I have removed it from Autostart for now.

 

[Crazymoogle]

Thermals of my 5800X. Crazymoogle

Click to shrink...

Sounds about right for Windows stock idle. Your idle temp is quite a bit different than mine, but I live in Singapore where the average temp is 30 C, so having a lower idle is not surprising elsewhere. What you should try doing is closing Steam, opening Epic (and minimizing) to see how the temperature readout changes.

 

[JEH]

Please let us know if its true or not

Click to shrink...

Wow. Yeah I was idling in the mid-high 50s before now I'm mid 30s to low 40s. It's been driving me nuts the last couple of weeks because out of nowhere my idles were jumping up and I couldn't figure out why. Thought it was because I might have had bad thermal paste application but looks like this solved it.

 

[Kurt Russell]

Wasn't there something a while back about it doing stuff in the background, like collecting some Steam data or something?

Click to shrink...

That was only when the store launched, and it was an one time only thing, if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure it doesn't do anything of the sort nowadays.

 

[gabdeg]

HotHardware article confirming this behavior on a 5950X

 

[Stacey]

So it's a 5000 series issue?

My 3900x idles at 35c with EGS running until of course it starts downloading a game or update.

 

[.exe]

Disabling programs that use resources lowers temperatures, shocking.

Click to shrink...

Surely 10 to 15 degrees is a bit much to be this reductive about it? "X is much worse" is not a great point 😸

 

[Shoshi]

Yeah, my Mabook Pro's fans ramp up like hell while browsing in the app.

But can you launch a game without Epic?

 

[sirap]

The CPU usage isn't as worrying as the amount of data Epic's sending back to home (assuming that HotHardware article is true)

 

[Ganado]

5-8c more with EGS, 1-2c with Steam on a Intel 8086k.

Can't confirm the problem with a Ryzen 3800x.
Epic Store has been smooth sailing for me since forever. Apparently, there is an advantage in being super basic, lol.

Click to shrink...

A big problem with EGS is that while the client might be basic, it's actually made in Unreal Engine.

 

[Deleted member 23158]

Honestly the 5800x just runs hot, it seems to have a pretty aggressive performance profile (though that's not really a bad thing). Though, mine has been running a lot cooler since updating the chipset drivers and downloaded Ryzen Master.

I don't have the Epic thing.

 

[Madjoki]

I think this is mostly due to how aggressively AMD handles power states.

Wasn't there something a while back about it doing stuff in the background, like collecting some Steam data or something?

Click to shrink...

Epic said they changed that from only collect when you import friends from Steam rather than actively copying data from Steam and only using when you import friends.

 

[Megasoum]

I have a 3700X and funny enough, I noticed that I was getting a ton of micro stutters I'm GTA 5 when I leave the EGS app opened (even if minimized in the tray).

 

[Deleted member 15476]

I haven't used EGS all that much to have an opinion on the matter, but I've noticed Steam consumes a lot less resources when it doesn't display Web content (either in Small Mode or minimized to the tray). I wish it had a built in option to minimize to tray when launching a game, like the xbox app.

 

[Caspar]

Quick temps on my 3600:

Nothing open - 33-35 C​

​

Epic Store open - 50 C​

Epic Store minimized - 45 C​

Epic Store closed but still open in tray - 40 C​

​

Steam open - 35-37 C​

Steam minimized - 35 C​

Steam closed but still open in tray - 35 C​

Xbox app is similar to Steam temps

 

[DPB]

It's not enough to affect temperatures, but EGS uses between 3-10% of my ancient 4570 even when on the library page or minimised to the system tray.

Not sure what it's doing in the background when Steam and GOG Galaxy typically use less than 0.5%.

 

[eonden]

EGS is full blown an Unreal app instead of just a rebranded web browser so it will use more resources.

 

[KainXVIII]

Yes, EGS is not really optimized (just another launcher lol)

 

[Alvis]

I think this is mostly due to how aggressively AMD handles power states.



Epic said they changed that from only collect when you import friends from Steam rather than actively copying data from Steam and only using when you import friends.

Click to shrink...

To the first point - So why doesn't it happen with Steam, Origin, Uplay, GOG etc?

To the second point - They made changes because they got caught. They are still a shady company.

 

[StrikeFirst117]

Can confirm after testing that is indeed true. These are the temps while idle and not even being signed in...

And these are the temps with EGS launcher being closed down.

While normally idle, processor sits between 35-40 degrees with EGS closed down.

 

[Mechaplum]

I'm actually surprised people leave it on. The only launcher I leave hanging is Steam which doesn't take much resources.

 

[YuSuzzune]

Disabling programs that use resources lowers temperatures, shocking. You could do this with a dozen popular PC programs and chips and see a difference. Not to mention the 5800x runs nutritiously hot, and the launcher was probably updating a game in the background, it's such a non-story.

Programs like iCue are far worse across the board.

Click to shrink...

13c are way too much for a simple launcher.