I mean, maybe for smart delivery specifically (free upgrades). But for cross save? Nah.
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I've played things you people wouldn't believe. Dirt racing at 100 miles per hour in the mountains of Nepal. I watched betrayals and shocking twists in the seedy world of the Yakuza. I beat Doctor Octopus as Spider-Man and devoured whole legions of people as a Man-eating Shark
All those saves... will be lost on the PS5. Like a WiiWare game in... the rain.
Time to replay.
Sony really needs to improve their back end and Backwards compatibility if they want to create a viable subscription service. Imagine the streamed game you played and saved progress in Sony's PS4 server racks and when Sony upgrades the servers to PS5, your saves for that game are gone. BC might not be important for consoles, but for subscription services, it's vital.
Ah yes, that would be the context I was looking for. Mm yea, hope they figure out how to make it work. Psychonauts would be the type of game I'd be worried about based on the examples we've seen so far. What irony it would be if Xbox 1st party could figure out how to do cross saves on PlayStation when not all of Sony's games are doing it XD. I mean, MS has the money to take care of cloud saves on Double Fine's side, but whether or not they opt to take that expense or not remains to be seen (I doubt it..)
LOL I appreciate this.
I've played things you people wouldn't believe. Dirt racing at 100 miles per hour in the mountains of Nepal. I watched betrayals and shocking twists in the seedy world of the Yakuza. I beat Doctor Octopus as Spider-Man and devoured whole legions of people as a Man-eating Shark
All those saves... will be lost on the PS5. Like a WiiWare game in... the rain.
Time to replay.
Really good
I've played things you people wouldn't believe. Dirt racing at 100 miles per hour in the mountains of Nepal. I watched betrayals and shocking twists in the seedy world of the Yakuza. I beat Doctor Octopus as Spider-Man and devoured whole legions of people as a Man-eating Shark
All those saves... will be lost on the PS5. Like a WiiWare game in... the rain.
Time to replay.
I think the problem is due to ps4 and ps5 version are considered as two games at playstation OS level. Ps5 ver can't access the ps4 ver just like cod can't access battlefield save. It is a kind of 'protection' embedded in os
Why you can get free upgrade is because sony has your purchase record. It is easier to base on and it is one time thing.
In xbox, the game is treated as a single ver so that the save is accessible across xbox one , xbox series and even pc(if it supports xbox play anywhere)
Even if dev offers solution to transfer ps4 save to ps5. I highly doubt you can continue your progress in ps4 after you have played in ps5.
Gyro aiming is far from a gimmick, and the tech has become a staple inclusion in pretty much every console except the Xbox. Obviously some companies actually want players to see the benefits, or at least push developers to try and make it a standard. The lightbar was used in every PSVR game - which was important to the advancement of the medium. Re: DualSense. It's easy to count things out until they matter. As I've said once before, everything's a "gimmick" to some people based on preconceived notions, until it actually proves to be valuable to the gameplay experience. DS seems to be getting great support based on developer chatter, and if it's easy to implement in the SDK then there's no reason why devs won't want to offer some actual gameplay changing features. Sometimes progression is hard to recognise until after the fact.
we gonna have this thread every time a game doesn't have cross save? The devs have to implement cross save manually, it's not going to happen for most games (same as last gen) because not worth the time and effort. It sucks I guess. I don't think Sony can restructure their messy save system (with continued USB support I hope) in two months for launch for something that applies to a small group of players for what up to 100 games?
yes Smart delivery was a better approach but also more in line with MS's strategy of one continued Xbox ecosystem vs believing in generations
yes Smart delivery was a better approach but also more in line with MS's strategy of one continued Xbox ecosystem vs believing in generations
They're not quite wrong though, gyro wasn't used on DS3. It took like 10 years for the tech to gain any significant traction. Using it for aiming wasn't really a thing until 3DS/Vita and wasn't commonplace until Switch
You're missing the point. The point is that a feature, if present, is more likely to be developed for if developers know it will be there.
Dirt 5 is not an 'older' game. It hasn't even released yet.
What Xbox is doing is letting your progress in this generation go with you to the next generation.
Sure it is possible. It will just be the weakest money hat mankind has ever witnessed..🤣
It's a good thing Sony makes excellent games, because they're seemingly inept at everything else. Definitely feels like they're a step behind so far in the lead up to next gen.
The stupid thing is that devs/publishers are already using extra time/effort producing the PS5 version and offering it for free as an upgrade. So there is some admin/submission update/technical changes needed to tie those two versions together so you can upgrade for free. use case for this is so people that own (and therefore likely play) the PS4 version will be able to update (and likely play) the PS5 version. But they can't continue that play? its nuts. Its a basic requirement that should be high on developer/publisher lists as soon as this was identified as something they wanted to do.
I mean it is news that seemingly big publishers and developers like Sega and Codemasters seemingly can not get their cross-gen games to have cross-save despite putting in the time and effort into making the enhancements free for their consumers. The fact that these large publishers are giving up on cross save indicate that it must not be worth the effort they would have to put in for it and yet are offering it for their Xbox versions of the same game.
When the system Sony has made has made it a case by case basis i think it should be news so people know what to expect and may influence their decision to buy or not.
The last four years have wrecked some people. Nothing is real any more.
It's so weird to me that this can't be easily fixed by Sony
It's weird how you can create a walled garden ecosystem and not take ownership of it.
Yeah, had before UK Witcher 3 from PS Store. Bought again Witcher 3 from GER PS Store, save file didn't worked, LOL.
It was a general statement. Was not talking about Dirt 5 specifically.
Point is that Xbox seems to be the place to be if you care about replaying your games or in this case continuing your game that you played on your soon to be last gen console.
This won't be a problem for next-gen only games. Which is why I worded it the way that I did.
It also won't be a problem for me personally because I have been skipping out on many games in favor of waiting for them to release on the next-gen consoles.
As I have said before though, It's definitely frustrating and Sony should really get to work here while Microsoft has got their shit in order when it comes to stuff like this.
All of this is why i suspect Series X will be my default platform for third party games.
This gen it was the PS4 (at least until the X was released).
This gen it was the PS4 (at least until the X was released).
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assuming it's the reason behind this then it'll be fundemental to how PSN works.
Nah, PS5 will be the default platform. PlayStation is vastly more popular as a brand worldwide and the general sentiment seems to be that their dev tools are better/easier to use than Microsoft's. Even if both sets of dev tools were equally good, there's still the matter of the Series S. Releasing your game on Xbox means you have to create and optimize two different versions of your game. Microsoft claims doing so is pretty straightforward, but it's still more work. This isn't an issue with Sony's approach; a PS5 is a PS5 and they have the same internals so only one version is needed.
If by default platform you mean "platform with the best versions of third party games" then that's kind of a toss-up. Series X will have the graphics advantage and PS5 will have the load times advantage.
Borderlands does not. I lost my PS4 saves on Borderlands once already, they're local.
Presumably the game just needs to search for a save file using title ID a, or title ID b. Smart delivery on XBOX means that developers don't need to do anything, because there is only a, but it shouldn't be all that difficult for devs to set their games up so that they can read both.
With that said, I think people on ERA are blowing the value of this feature out of proportion. It affects what, a small number of titles that release in the next few months? Late adopters possibly suffer, but if you're that concerned then it probably just makes sense to wait and buy the PS5 versions of the games that you want to play. I think outside of ERA, most folks won't even think about it.
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I think this is true for those developers who aren't making a PC version of their game, which is increasingly less and less these days.
The PS5 dev kit being so close to the PS4 has everyone singing it's praises, which is awesome. The downside to that is we've seen what happens when you build for PS4 and try to later port to PC, you get variable results (Death Stranding vs Horizon for example).
Microsofts approach this new generation is to release a unified GDK where you game can be built for Xbox One, Series X|S and PC and can easily be tested by changing profiles. We know that's come in quite hot and late but once it's stable will make game development on multiple platforms far easier and those platform differences much easier to adjust vs Sony's approach.
Sony's not wrong with what they're doing, but with multi-platform development being increasingly common I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox/PC being the lead platforms using the GDK and the PS5 version being a separate branch.
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that's why it's important to listen in those boring ass database lectures *reminds self*
Damn we're all waiting for which games will be upgraded but we don't even know whether we'll be able to carry on our game saves loool
imagine restarting TLOU2
imagine restarting TLOU2
This is my greatest fear right now (relative to the situation before someone gets all pedantic). I really want to do a second playthrough of the game to get the Platinum, and before now I was hoping that I'd be able to do it with resolution and framerate upgrades due to the PS5. Instead I'm fully expecting either a paid remaster (with, like Spider-Man, a performance mode that does little other than make the game 60fps) that doesn't support cross-save or a next-gen upgrade that doesn't support cross-save.
Being a fan of Sony's games right now is almost as frustrating as being a fan of Nintendo's back catalogue tbh
this is why I also ordered an Xbox. Microsoft's job in selling to me has been made a lot easier by Sony.
My progress with the next fallout game will go everywhere with me, including future generations
That depends on how much of the load time is transferring new data versus processing it with the CPU. Looking at a game like RDR2, it still has like 38 second load times on XSX in BC mode versus 128 seconds on the X1. Knowing that the X1 has a 5400 RPM HDD with probably 80MB/s transfer speeds, and assuming that somehow there was data transfer during the entire 128 second load time:
80*128 = 10240 MB
Now divide by the 2.4 GB/s speed of the XSX SSD:
10240/2400 = 4.3 seconds of the total loading time
Which is absolutely making the most extreme assumptions with the one game that has the longest load times tested. RDR2 probably does not spend the entire 128 seconds on X1 transferring stuff from the hard drive, as SSD/HDD comparisons I see online show it's probably only transferring ~5GB of data so that's roughly a one second difference between PS5 and XSX. The vast majority of the 38 second load time is just the CPU chugging away and XSX is slightly better than the PS5 when it comes to CPU speed.
This is all armchair analysis of course but I think it'll be very funny if some next-gen games load faster on the Series X after all the hyping up of SSD magic sauce. Either way it's going to be imperceptible but I just love the fuckery of it all.
But why cross saves are working with PS4, PS3 and Vita? They must not be the same SKU either.
Sony really dropping the ball with this kind of thing, with cloud saves there really isn't an excuse for this kind of thing and should have been something they planned for years ago.
This starts to be problematic for playstation, god damn.
Well, I guess it's another one for Xbox. The pile starts to get pretty f'n huge already of why you definitely should buy an Xbox (Series X) for your multi platform games and therefore as main console.
Slowly starts to feel like everything PS5 offers in comparison are great first party games and that's it, every other single feature is either better on Xbox or only on Xbox. Including services like Game Pass, back compatibility with 50 different reasons and so on.
(I pre-ordered both so doesn't change anything for me, but still)
I'm a bit confused why they can't get this to work while they have cloud saves. That's so weird.
Well, I guess it's another one for Xbox. The pile starts to get pretty f'n huge already of why you definitely should buy an Xbox (Series X) for your multi platform games and therefore as main console.
Slowly starts to feel like everything PS5 offers in comparison are great first party games and that's it, every other single feature is either better on Xbox or only on Xbox. Including services like Game Pass, back compatibility with 50 different reasons and so on.
(I pre-ordered both so doesn't change anything for me, but still)
I'm a bit confused why they can't get this to work while they have cloud saves. That's so weird.
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Yeah, I'm not buying games for the weaker system unless they are exclusive obviously.
The same company that took a decade to figure out how to let us change our username? Not so shocking for me
I think it's down to the developer. There are tons of games that share the same ID across multiple platforms, and cross-save was a very common feature on PS3, PS Vita, and PS4.
Odin Sphere, for example, shares the same ID across PS4, PS3, and PS Vita: https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/4923-odin-sphere-leifthrasir/
Sony's just not mandated it, so it's up to the individual developers how they want to handle things. I know most people here won't care, but the upshot of keeping things separate is that you can earn all the Trophies twice.
God I hate all of Sony's executives running things now. If it weren't for the exclusives I'd be gone.
Jim Ryan really messed up that last commit to the GameSave_API