Dirt 5 won't transfer progress from PS4 ------> PS5 (but it will on Xbox One ------> Xbox Series)

Team_Feisar · Sep 30, 2020

LebGuns said:
Why the fuck not?? Has there been any explanations for any of the games so far?

The closest thing we know is that PS4 and PS5 games are treated as different SKUs and Sony has a very restricitve policy when it comes to cross-saves between different SKUs. I dont remember the details sadly, was discussed in another thread.
The last theory I heard is that PS4 games that run as PS4 games via BC should be able to use old saves but if games get patched to become a true PS5 Version it gets extremely muddy.
Just a theory though so take with a big grain of salt.

Askherserenity · Sep 30, 2020

Ukumio said:
Everyone called Smart Delivery a buzzword for Cross-buy, but it definitely seems like Microsoft has set up better pathways between gens for developers to tap into.

Could be related to Xbox's cloud save system though (and unrelated to Smart Delivery).

Nope. People just refused to listen whenever they would try to explain how smart delivery is different than whatever the fuck Sony is doing.

MrBob · Sep 30, 2020

What is Sony doing.

supercommodore · Sep 30, 2020

Bizarre.

shadowsdarknes · Sep 30, 2020

Protome said:
Does PS5 even support graphics patches for PS4 games?

CyberPunk getting a next gen patch says yes

Xando · Sep 30, 2020

Do saves transfer between PS4 and PS5 BC?

tarman76 · Sep 30, 2020

MS was always ahead of Sony when it came to cloud saves, so while this is unfortunate, it's not too surprising.

Bobbyleejones · Sep 30, 2020

Uhhhhhhhh
Hey Sony is doing a buy one get one technically

TitanicFall · Sep 30, 2020

We know it can be done with some games like Avengers, so what's going on with these other games?

Deleted member 10737 · Sep 30, 2020

and people said smart delivery is just a buzzword...

Ra · Sep 30, 2020

We really need Sony or one of these developers to go IN DEPTH, on the technical reason the data can't carry over.

Why aren't they explaining the "why" of the situation?

Lowrys · Sep 30, 2020

shadowsdarknes said:
Sounds like something needs to be done to help standardize this.

If only there was a platform-holder who could sort this out for PS5 games.

ShinUltramanJ · Sep 30, 2020

Xbox seems like you're buying into a family of consoles.

PlayStation just seems like you're buying separate consoles.

DukeBlueBall · Sep 30, 2020

Ukumio said:
Everyone called Smart Delivery a buzzword for Cross-buy, but it definitely seems like Microsoft has set up better pathways between gens for developers to tap into.

Could be related to Xbox's cloud save system though (and unrelated to Smart Delivery).

It's a difference in how the storefronts are architectured. MS already solved this in the past with their play anywhere initiative. Sony didn't have a motive for solving it.

Arex · Sep 30, 2020

Weird, I wonder why.

They say currently, so things may still change.

Mcfrank · Sep 30, 2020

Askherserenity said:
Nope. People just refused to listen whenever they would try to explain how smart delivery is different than whatever the fuck Sony is doing.

Yeah it was explained many times. People just didn't want to listen. Sony dropping the ball so hard.

Steo · Sep 30, 2020

To think people slagged off the Smart Delivery feature..

Lant_War · Sep 30, 2020

Judge said:
I guess Sony really does believe in generations

Can people admit that Smart Delivery isn't just a marketing buzzword now?

Huh? It definitely is. The tools that Microsoft put in place to make cross-buy + cross-save easy for devs isn't, but Smart Delivery is quite literally a marketing buzzword, lol.

bsigg · Sep 30, 2020

BAD said:
I thought Smart Delivery was just basically purchase tracking that loads up the appropriate SKU for you depending on your console... what does it do special for save games? Is it made to show last gen saves to the new SKU or something in case the dev enabled carrying saves?

Just seems confusing if it is special for Smart Delivery since some PS5 games can carry saves from PS4... so doesn't that mean Sony and PSN do have ways for it in place too?

Guess I'm missing how this is special with Smart Delivery...

It's a single game ID in the backend. The system you access the game from pulls down the package intended for that specific system and the saves/achievements are tied to that game ID are loaded up.

Protome · Sep 30, 2020

shadowsdarknes said:
CyberPunk getting a next gen patch says yes

CDPR have not said that as far as I'm aware? The source in that other thread was a poorly worded Eurogamer article, nothing CDPR has said has confirmed it?

Askherserenity · Sep 30, 2020

K.Jack said:
We really need Sony or one of these developers to go IN DEPTH, on the technical reason the data can't carry over.

Why aren't they explaining the "why" of the situation?

Sony isn't explaining a lot of stuff but we don't really mind.

Judge · Sep 30, 2020

Maneater too

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FAQ

This is not a different application/game on XBox Series S & X and saves and trophies/achievements will carry forward.

This may require subscriptions to additional services such as XBox Gold (such as for cloud save transfers)

This IS a separate application/game on PlayStation 5 and trophies, stats and saves will not transfer

LebGuns · Sep 30, 2020

Flousn said:
The closest thing we know is that PS4 and PS5 games are treated as different SKUs and Sony has a very restricitve policy when it comes to cross-saves between different SKUs. I dont remember the details sadly, was discussed in another thread.
The last theory I heard is that PS4 games that run as PS4 games via BC should be able to use old saves but if games get patched to become a true PS5 Version it gets extremely muddy.
Just a theory though so take with a big grain of salt.

Huh, interesting. I guess this would be more similar to the PS Vita cross-save situation then?

Rndom Grenadez · Sep 30, 2020

jet1911 said:
I'm really curious to know what prevents that.

Different SKU's I'm assuming.

Izanagi89 · Sep 30, 2020

Legit wonder what's the issue because it's clearly possible so it'll be interesting to see what's up

Hail to Starscream · Sep 30, 2020

Arubedo said:
I don't understand how Marvel's Avengers and Spidey Miles Morales got cross-save, but not those games.

My guess is these games have a in-game solution for importing saves.

Desodeset · Sep 30, 2020

There is something fishy here. Yakuza and Dirt don't support crosssave. Other games support it.

I won't be surprised if there are some marketing deals for those games.

Xando · Sep 30, 2020

K.Jack said:
Why aren't they explaining the "why" of the situation?

Devs are probably NDA'd would be my guess.

Protome · Sep 30, 2020

Hail to Starscream said:
My guess is these games have a in-game solution for importing saves.

Yeah this is my guess too.

t26 · Sep 30, 2020

WhtR88t said:
I don't think it's PS4 -> PS5 that's the problem.

I think it's that huge mistakes were made when they created the PSN architecture back in the PS3 days and they're suffering with the consequences now.

That doesn't make sense when there are PS3 games that cross save with PS4 version

TooBusyLookinGud · Sep 30, 2020

Ukumio said:
Everyone called Smart Delivery a buzzword for Cross-buy, but it definitely seems like Microsoft has set up better pathways between gens for developers to tap into.

Could be related to Xbox's cloud save system though (and unrelated to Smart Delivery).

Yep, people sure did.

Cloud save, Smart Delivery...whatever MS is doing, it is better than Sony's solution.

xabbott · Sep 30, 2020

I kept thinking some weird issues with BC or 'Smart Delivery' would happen between PS4 to PS5 but kept hoping I would be wrong. At this point people making assumptions that just because Xbox does something Sony will can just not be trusted. I don't even think all the negatives about PS4 BC are even revealed.

This just isn't Sony's area of expertise. This is what makes me leary of trusting any online systems Nintendo has. Also incase anyone tries to twist this. This will have no big impact on PS5 it's just really annoying for me.

xem · Sep 30, 2020

shadowsdarknes said:
CyberPunk getting a next gen patch says yes

yes but will your progress come over? OR is it going to be a completely different SKU in the PS Store?

ShapeDePapa · Sep 30, 2020

Judge said:
Maneater too

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What's the difference between this and Miles Morales for exemple then? What are you doing Sony?

Potato Mage · Sep 30, 2020

So this is what he meant when he said he believes in generations.

gravitationsfeld · Sep 30, 2020

Mushroomer25 said:
It's starting to feel like Sony has made a colossal mistake somewhere in this generation leap.

Yeah, they are crying with all the sold out pre-orders, I'm sure.

Raigor · Sep 30, 2020

Desodeset said:
There is something fishy here. Yakuza and Dirt don't support crosssave. Other games support it.

I won't be surprised if there are some marketing deals for those games.

Maneater does not have any marketing deal and it does not support PS4-> PS5 saves

Also, LMAO at thinking there are marketing deals preventing CROSS-SAVE from not happening.

Some of you are crazy

ghostcrew · Sep 30, 2020

BAD said:
I thought Smart Delivery was just basically purchase tracking that loads up the appropriate SKU for you depending on your console... what does it do special for save games? Is it made to show last gen saves to the new SKU or something in case the dev enabled carrying saves?

Just seems confusing if it is special for Smart Delivery since some PS5 games can carry saves from PS4... so doesn't that mean Sony and PSN do have ways for it in place too?

Guess I'm missing how this is special with Smart Delivery...

You're most of the way there I think.

Smart Delivery means that there's one SKU for the game, yeah. So your save will work on any platform because, as far as the title ID is concerned, it's the same game. Your save is in the cloud and it'll just work on any Xbox that you put the disc into.

PlayStation has different title IDs for every version of a game. Different for different regions, different for GOTY editions. Different for digital and physical I think? And (almost certainly) different for different hardware platforms. That seems to be making it harder for saves to be compatible? We already see that this generation with saves that don't work between regions on some PS4 games or don't across vanilla and GOTY editions etc. Speculation on my part but it seems to be the old issue of PSN being essentially PS3 tech behind the scenes.

They've definitely solved it to a degree though as some games do support saves across PS4 and PS5.

Kalor · Sep 30, 2020

Desodeset said:
There is something fishy here. Yakuza and Dirt don't support crosssave. Other games support it.

I won't be surprised if there are some marketing deals for those games.

No-one is making marketing deals to prevent cross-gen saves.

Puroresu_kid · Sep 30, 2020

Smart delivery is legit

xem · Sep 30, 2020

xabbott said:
I kept thinking some weird issues with BC or 'Smart Delivery' would happen between PS4 to PS5 but kept hoping I would be wrong. At this point people making assumptions that just because Xbox does something Sony will can just not be trusted. I don't even think all the negatives about PS4 BC are even revealed.

This just isn't Sony's area of expertise. This is what makes me leary of trusting any online systems Nintendo has. Also incase anyone tries to twist this. This will have no big impact on PS5 it's just really annoying for me.

MS's core competency as a company is Compatibility. They are flexing for sure here.

shadowsdarknes · Sep 30, 2020

Protome said:
CDPR have not said that as far as I'm aware? The source in that other thread was a poorly worded Eurogamer article, nothing CDPR has said has confirmed it?

You're getting a free upgrade for cyberpunk. If you bought the game on a disc for PS4, you're PS4 disc will be running the game with a free upgrade on PS5. That will be deployed via a patch.

Laserbeam · Sep 30, 2020

Guess I'll be waiting to start when/if my PS5 arrives, then.

Shame.

Kida · Sep 30, 2020

Desodeset said:
There is something fishy here. Yakuza and Dirt don't support crosssave. Other games support it.

I won't be surprised if there are some marketing deals for those games.

Please don't start the conspiracy nonsense. Microsoft didn't pay for your PS4 saves to not work on PS5. Sony just hasn't created the infrastructure for this to be easy for developers. Era hasn't listened that Smart Delivery was more than just crossbuy from the beginning.

BAD · Sep 30, 2020

bsigg said:
It's a single game ID in the backend. The system you access the game from pulls down the package intended for that specific system and the saves/achievements are tied to that game ID are loaded up.

But is that not how games on PSN are allowed to do it too? Surely games like Miles Morales and NBA 21 didn't build save transfer tools for that in 2021?

CNoodles · Sep 30, 2020

Insane how the roles have been reversed compared to last gen launch. What a botched job by Sony.

Arex · Sep 30, 2020

If it's really just SKU shit then it should be easy fix by Sony, but that's if they want to fix it.

tutomos · Sep 30, 2020

Seems like Sony is not willing to make their platform more like a PC. Some gamers won't like it but will see how the mass reacts to it.

Lobster Roll · Sep 30, 2020

Potato Mage said:
So this is what he meant when he said he believes in generations.

Zem · Sep 30, 2020

Dirt 5 won't transfer progress from PS4 ------> PS5 (but it will on Xbox One ------> Xbox Series)

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