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DigitalFoundry: Xbox Series X: What's The Best SSD Option For Back Compat Xbox Games?
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So there's no point in an NVME drive really? Not only does it not provide extra grunt with unoptimised games but optimised games can't be run off of it anyway?
Faster loading times
Auto-HDR for games that didn't have HDR before
Higher framerate if they ran at unlocked framerates or if they didn't hit their framerate target they will probably now
Games with variable resolutions will hit higher resolutions more often
NVME is faster basically. However it's still trying to get through the same 5gps interface so copying back read speeds will be similar(ish).
For Xbox? First link off google:
https://vg247.com/2020/10/07/ps5-wi-fi-6-usb-c-superspeed-details/#:~:text=Likewise%2C%20Xbox%20Series%20X%2FS,default%205Gbit%2Fs%20data%20rate
" By comparison, Xbox Series X/S only has a Wi-Fi 5 chip, which is the older, current-gen model. Likewise, Xbox Series X/S consoles don't come with USB-C, and their USB-A ports all run at the default 5Gbit/s data rate. "
Wait for for my Xbox One and PS4 games to run optimally on PS5 and XSX, I'll need to use an external SSD?
No, it's just that there are speed improvements even on relatively "slower" external drives, which is an easy way to save full-speed space on the fancy internal drive for next-gen games. The video's worth watching, if you're thinking about storage space options for the new systems.
No. It's just that BC games run almost as well on external SSDs.
And since internal space is limited and proper expansion options are quite expensive, external SSD makes the most sense for the $.
The Xbox consoles support more than one external USB device, unlike PlayStation, right? I might go with a second drive down the line then.
Yeah, Rich's previous video went into a ton of detail on this with a bunch of Xbox One games tested.
Xbox Series X Backwards Compatibility Tested - And The Performance Is Extreme
The analysis you've been waiting for! Rich goes hands-on with Xbox Series X and puts its backwards compatibility capabilities to the most extreme tests possi...
youtu.be
You are right.
Unpatched games:
All games are getting HDR.
All games which are One X enhanced should run in "One X mode"
All games are getting 3x to 6x faster load times (internal or external SSD makes little difference if the SSD is quick enough)
Most/every performance issue games might have had on One/One X should get ironed out.
Games with uncapped framerates get a near 2x boost in fps (as per DF analysis) compared to One X.
Games with dynamic resolution should stick to 4k (or whatever the cap is) most of the time
Games receiving a Series X patch:
Become "Series X games" for all intents and purposes and will need to run from the internal NVME, and should be taking advantage of velocity architecture, resulting in even faster load times (possibly MUCH faster) and may get other enhancements.
Forza Horizon 4 should have graphics settings beyond PC Ultra while running in 4k60
Gears 5 is receiving a similar upgrade and a 120fps mode.
If they had used a TLC SSD instead of QLC it probably would have been pretty similar.
QLC has a hard drop off on write speeds once their SLC cache fills up.
If I've got an external 4TB hdd, is there any point me also using an old Crucial 240GB ssd?
It's either the first one or the second one iirc:
uk.crucial.com
It's either the first one or the second one iirc:
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Crucial MX500 250 GB CT250MX500SSD1(Z)-Up to 560 MB/s (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch, Internal SSD): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
Buy Crucial MX500 250 GB CT250MX500SSD1(Z)-Up to 560 MB/s (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch, Internal SSD) at Amazon UK. Free delivery and return on eligible orders.
www.amazon.co.uk
DF on fire lately with the output on video's. Now still need the ps5 teardown analyses and Paul beating jayz and Nexus on the 3090 battle and the weekend is good.
Capacity is so low, you may as well just transfer from the HDD to the internal.If I've got an external 4TB hdd, is there any point me also using an old Crucial 240GB ssd?
It's either the first one or the second one iirc:
Crucial BX500 240GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD | CT240BX500SSD1 | Crucial UK
Buy Crucial BX500 240GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD CT240BX500SSD1. FREE US Delivery, guaranteed 100% compatibility when ordering using our online tools.Crucial MX500 250 GB CT250MX500SSD1(Z)-Up to 560 MB/s (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch, Internal SSD): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
Buy Crucial MX500 250 GB CT250MX500SSD1(Z)-Up to 560 MB/s (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch, Internal SSD) at Amazon UK. Free delivery and return on eligible orders.www.amazon.co.uk
Have you watched the video? It's basically the same for legacy games.
well that was very informative, it confirms my decision to just stick with the external SSD I had been using for my One X for BC on the Series X
I'll make do with the internal SSD for next-gen games until the proprietary expansion SSD drops in price
edit: I'm looking forward to tests like this for the PS5 since it's internal is going to be so much faster, I wonder if that'll make more of a difference with BC games?
I'll make do with the internal SSD for next-gen games until the proprietary expansion SSD drops in price
edit: I'm looking forward to tests like this for the PS5 since it's internal is going to be so much faster, I wonder if that'll make more of a difference with BC games?
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First game I'm playing on the Xbox
edit: Wait Unity? Amazing
It could be a dedicated CoD SSD if you are into that game 😂
Yeah I remember reading that the QVO is notorious for that. Wonder if someone is going to do any extensive list down the road when these consoles drop. Were talking seconds here for loading, but I was gonna do some back n forth stuff.
I just really want some confirmation that loading is equal or faster on BC game as it is on XSX.
I want to assume so, but you never really know until confirmed. Will be sorely disappointed if gains aren't nearly as good.
Grab a TLC drive in that case. Ones with DRAM are best like the WD Blue.
Yes, good value and goes up to 4TB but that one sold is on a different link for some reason:
Also, the Sandisk Ultra 3D SSD is essentially the same (WD bought Sandisk a while back) but with DDR3 DRAM.
So I'd get whichever is cheaper at a given moment.
A reminder, Prime days are coming up next week and then I'd imagine there will be sales around Thanksgiving even outside US.
Yup, I'm keeping my eyes open for 4TB for XBOX, and dare I say it.... an 8TB QVO for PS5.
Yeah. The externanl NVMe is faster, but that money is better spent expanding the internal storage via the official expansion card, or in the case of PS5, getting a compliant internal PCI-e NVMe.
Correct. I believe the Witcher 3 was also unlocked before it got patched?
NVME pricing is very close to SATA for the less expensive drives... which are still going to be much faster vs SATA SSDs. External enclosure cost is also not that far off anymore. Mind you, this is for 1TB - 2TB drives.
In the video this thread is about there is a short clip of Unity running at 60.
It's the unpatched disc version. They also tested it back when the Xbox One X came out.
Considering Rich worked about a week on this video and Sony just dropped a (rather uninteresting) video out of the blue the other day. I think it makes more sense for Rich to prioritise his work, finish his original video, and then move on to something else. A tear down of the physical console that he does not have his hands on is less interesting then working with a console which no one else has and answering key questions people actually care about. IMO - the tear down video is a lot of self explanatory imagery and does not have a lot of information. But I am also not one to cover such a video anyway.
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It'll be interesting to see how file sizes compare. Right now, I have 500+ games installed on an external HDD on Xbox One X. I already pre-ordered the 1 TB expansion card for Xbox Series X (as well as the Xbox Series X itself), so I'm wondering what the likelihood will be that I end up needing the same amount of storage to store the same games or if there'll be some sort of compression applied to all games.
I have a 3Tb external HDD on my One X. Think I might just grab an external SSD and transfer over my OG Xbox and 360 games etc. I don't really want to have to load and reload games backwards and forwards from SSD to HDD but larger capacity SSDs are still expensive.
Imagine if Sony was smart enough to give DF the kind of access to the PS5 as MS has with the XSX.
You think the DF team wouldn't love that?
This answers a question I posted on the YouTube video's page. That's awesome. I mean, the loading times in Forza Horizon 4 generally aren't that bad outside of initially loading into the game from the title screen and coming out of events and/or changing seasons, as the presentation going into a race masks the loading times. That said, it'll be interesting to see how much more quickly the game loads. I was going to put it on the internal storage, anyway, since I still play it so much.
Also, I wonder if there's a separate default storage setting for different types of games. It'd be nice to be able to have only Series X optimized games going to the internal storage and expansion card and everything else going to the external USB SSD.
They talked about the tear down during the 1 million subscriber stream.
Also DF plans their content in advance, unless it's really big news they usually take a few days to get to something like this.
The most amazing part was when they tested the same external SSD on the XSX vs X1X and there was still a huge loading time difference (17 seconds vs 73 seconds). That shows that even when running a last-gen game, decompression can at times be the dominant factor in reducing loading.
Yeah, I think most of us who regularly pay attention to tech analysis like yours know that a full deep dive of hardware is never allowed until the product is officially released. Even the prerelease XSX consoles have restrictions on what specific use cases the media can talk about before launch and they sent those out over a month before release.
At this point, we know it's the videos that come out in the week after launch that will be the most insightful.
Yeah, I think most of us who regularly pay attention to tech analysis like yours know that a full deep dive of hardware is never allowed until the product is officially released. Even the prerelease XSX consoles have restrictions on what specific use cases the media can talk about before launch and they sent those out over a month before release.
At this point, we know it's the videos that come out in the week after launch that will be the most insightful.
Yeap, there are multiple NVME drives very close in price to SATA SSDs. Unless you are going to 4TB (or higher :P), there is no reason to go for SATA in general.