It's swimming in 7's. It is a good game and hopefully a sequel improves upon it.
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Digitalfoundry: Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order PS5/ Xbox Series X/ Series S - Next-Gen Patch Tested
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Great Star Wars game, that I bought on my Xbox One X so I could see the best performance on previous gen. I played through it and enjoyed it, even with the performance issues.
If you have an Series X or PS5, like the Star Wars universe, and enjoy Dark Souls systems crossed with Metroidvanias...it's a no brainer to try it out now. Fun game.
If you have an Series X or PS5, like the Star Wars universe, and enjoy Dark Souls systems crossed with Metroidvanias...it's a no brainer to try it out now. Fun game.
I don't think PS5 was available when Fallen Order released though.
They can simply add something to the menu to get around it (I already told you this before). Several games did this preemptively anticipating next gen consoles. Nioh 2, for example. Dead or Alive 6 did it on X.
It's only constrained because they're trying to run it in existing PS4 Pro modes. They actually removed a setting here for PS5 per the video. If you can take something away for PS5, you can certainly add it. Resolution mode, and an unlock frame toggle. Infamous also has this setup, as another example. It's totally doable. This is nothing short of half-baked. The game was an un-optimized mess to begin with. So, it's no surprise that a patch for next gen turned out this way for this game.
You're arguing that if they do it in this poor manner, they can only get these results. Then why do it in this manner? Other companies were forward thinking and have shown what can be done. It's nothing more than a bad excuse.
Not in the video.
However, I've been jumping back and forth between it and the PC version on my 1660, which is a chore because several of the settings in the PC version don't actually seem to do anything, and it's not from lack of trying to find them. I literally can find no difference from medium (the lowest the settings go on PC) and the 'Epic' settings in Draw Distance, Texture Detail, and perhaps Post-Processing, but there may be thicker fog volumes with it on epic, or it might be rendering lower than native, as post-processing on medium seems to cause slightly more blurriness than high/epic (which I can't tell the difference from between those two at all).
There is really only one difference that is a noticeable downgrade from Epic PC settings that I can see (or again, medium in some settings as they have no difference) - and that's shadow resolution, but even that doesn't map to the PC's setting entirely, as that one PC shadow setting annoyingly controls both the shadow resolution + shadow LOD distance. So the PS5 version has the equivalent of the Epic setting for shadow draw distance in that they fade in from the same distance as the PC at the max setting, but the actual shadow resolution looks be equivalent to medium, so you get a lot more flickering/blocky shadows, especially self-shadows in cutscenes. If you set the PC's shadow setting at medium you get the same blocky shadows, but they pop in far more aggressively, so really Epic is the only sensible choice.
* edit: I've seen videos of the Xbox version, it seems to use high/epic for shadow vs the PS5's medium.
The only other difference is an odd one which was more pronounced pre-patch; the status screen where you see Cal and perform your upgrades/settings etc is blurrier than the PC version at the same res, while actual gameplay is sharper (the 1200p is noticeably more detailed than 1080p, and less than 1440p, as you would expect). That was always odd, it looked 900p pre-patch so this is better, but it never made much sense.
That's about it. The stuttering is less pronounced than it is on my PC (both are installed to their NVME SSDs, my CPU is a i5-9400f), the PS5 still has them when traversing but they seem to pass by quicker, so I'll be playing this on my PS5.
There were a few cutscenes early on where the PS5 couldn't maintain 60fps, didn't seem to be the loading stutters, just dropping into the high 50's for brief periods, otherwise it's been solid 60 with the traversal skips so far. I mention this as some in the patch release thread were under the belief that this should have been a 4k/60 patch and I don't see that as being possible with this engine without a major reworking - the Series S is going down to 720p with this patch according to DF and is still running into GPU throughput bottlenecks when trying to hit 60, if you're getting that on a 4TF RDNA2 GPU you're sure as hell not going to get 4k/60 with a 10/12tflop one.
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Don't agree with this at all. It's a 9/10 game for me, but the bugs/lack of polish brought it down to an 8/10.
With these patches / bugfixes it should be quite the experience!
Honestly it's impressive that the Series S runs at 60fps/up to 900p when even the PS5 only runs at 60fps/1200p.
Didn't someone prove in the other thread (to you, no less) that this wasn't the case?
Pretty sure his point is that there was a hard cap to 1260p. Can't brute force past a hard resolurion cap.
And don't forget you can just get EA Play for the month ($5) and finish it that way.
I'm waiting to go through some other games, but eventually will subscribe to Play again for a month to knock out this game and Mirror's Edge Catalyst.
And I'm sure Digital Foundry are quite capable of finding low load scenes or seeing the menus weren't 4K...
This game gave me PTSD, I finished it in normal difficulty but the amount of getting lost and backtracking and some really frustrating boss fights make me never want to play it again. It's a good game, dont get me wrong, but I've never played bloodborne or any of its ilk.
Still, I'll probably play the sequel.
Still, I'll probably play the sequel.
I still haven't checked this game out, but with this I guess I'm glad I put it off, will check out with Gamepass eventually.
No...? That was about how it wasn't as fast as the PC version running from an SSD (which in my case, isn't so - they're basically identical, but my CPU may be holding it back?). I've had it installed to the external drive and moved it to the SSD precisely because the loading time was so poor, it's a huge improvement. The initial load still takes a bit, but things like respawning it's night and day.
Thanks for the vid. Even though the performance on next gen systems is below what this game should deliver, it is a huge improvement over previous gen. Before Cyberpunk hit this was my go to for terrible performance in a AAA game.
It's on EA Play. Pay $5 for a month and finish the game. According to reviews it doesn't have much replayability.
I remember switching back and forth to the res mode with this on my PS5, while it was definitely sharper than performance mode there is no way in hell it was anything close to 4k. I can compare with the PC version, it certainly didn't look like that in 4k.
This made me laugh.
"I've got PTSD and I never want to play this game again. Can't wait for the sequel!"
The performance mode was 1080p. So quality mode was higher, but a long way off 4K
On PS5 they are improved but patch didn't do much for loading times. First boot is around 20 seconds. I haven't played past the 1.5 hour mark on PS5 so I can't judge about other loading moments and stuff. Here's the boot up / light intro stuff I recorder earlier
And here's some other gameplay Bishop89 made running on PS5 with the patch which is a bit further into the game
Nah the misunderstanding here is that the same person who posted the video in that thread said he was comparing the speed from before the patch to the speed after the patch, installed on the SSD on both occasions. In other words, the patch didn't change anything there.
As an aside, if i recall, it took about 20 seconds while another video showed the Series S loading in about 12-15, which I've confirmed myself. (It takes 5 secs at most for me on PC.)
EDIT: Speak of the devil^
I seriously regret my Series S purchase. It's literally just being treated like a One S with a slight boost when its capable of much more. I feel like only Destiny 2's update has shown its potential
EA didn't announce any improvements for the Series S version besides frame rate so I would go with DF on this one
I seen some videos and its far from being between 720p-900p. ofc im not saying they reviewed it wrong but yet they said fifa was 4k on Series S and its 1080p
And if im not wrong, EA did not tell anything about resolutions from their next gen upgrade
Played through and loved it on One X.
I never saw/had any glitches or freezes thankfully (knocks on wood).
Definitely going to try out a 4k playthrough on the Series X. The game was good looking at 1080p, so it should be gorgeous on my set at 4k.
I never saw/had any glitches or freezes thankfully (knocks on wood).
Definitely going to try out a 4k playthrough on the Series X. The game was good looking at 1080p, so it should be gorgeous on my set at 4k.
but its 900p/60fps while on PS5 is 1200p/60fps, that seems impressive to me.
This kinda seems unlikely if the Series X is dropping to 1080p at times right?
At work right now, so have to watch later tonight. Didn't see it mentioned here, but did they say how the Series X performance mode was going? Saw the 60fps and 1080p-1440p. Was wondering if it's hitting close to that 1440 more consistent with occasional drops to 1080?
Its like a Sekiro star wars, in that irs party based, lock on melee combat. It differs in almost every other way. It also can be easier, as there are options to make parry windoes larger, enemies do less damage, etc.
They unfortunately didn't dive into specifics, but they did say that the Series X version tends to be a little sharper than the PS5 version.
Dang. Maybe it was just a quick/dirty kind of rundown. I know usually in these kinds of tests that they'll mention where the resolution tends to set.
Thanks though for the reply, appreciate it!
For me overall it is around 8.5, but I think the majority would rule it a 7.
It is the 3rd platinum I have ever gotten. I just finished last week.
However, it does have some bugs and can feel disjointed at times.
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Was actually thinking of doing just this. I dont ever play games again after I drop them or finish them. But my kids also might want to play sometime down the road, so might be good to own too. Im still not sold on the $25 dollar sale price either just yet.
Thanks for all the recommendations everyone though.
Looks great but it's a shame they didn't fix some of the horrible gameplay aspects of the awful save system.
