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DigitalFoundry: Monster Hunter World Analysis (PS4/Pro/Xbox One/X)
- Thread starter LiK
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Agreed, I disabled it my end. Shame. Also a shame there isn't any per game HDR setting, as I keep forgetting to turn it back on! Ha!
Disappointing. A 30fps cap has to be added. I remember day 1 TW3 on xbox one and it was painful. Glad I didn't buy this.
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Playing on the Pro, but it's arguably the worst HDR implementation I've seen on either platform.
Yikes. That's not a flattering statement. Horizon is the only thing that's justified by HDR TV purchase so far lol. Kinda starting to regret it :p (though it was the $599 TCL model so it's not like a spent a grand or something).
Is that something that can even be fixed? It seems like those wonky color settings in the game menu do absolutely nothing. Also wish HDR was an in game toggle not a go into your tv settings toggle
So...on PS4 Pro it is a toggle in the menu. On X, they leave the system to handle it.
I'm not sure what can be done here as the lighting in general is very strange in this game. I wouldn't expect any major improvements, unfortunately.
Great news, looking forward to both of the videos. Keep up the good work!
Yeah it's a shame. In that regard SE did a much better job with FFXV, even if the sales didn't reach PS4 numbers at all, which is to be expected but still those devs did go out their way for it. Hope it won't be a returning thing, would fucking suck. And if not better than Pro, Jesus at least on Par with it.
That sucks a lot. I'd love a HDR toggle in games. Some games have that and I wish they all had that. Especially when there seems to be a bug that can happen when you disable HDR in the Xbox settings. I rather not touch that at all and let the game have such a toggle. Another weird decision by this developer, wow.
When 3 massive monsters are punching on, all while little monsters are also running around! Game looks awesome at times.
Wish the one x version had a checkerboard option too though.
Guys, watch the video instead of some small rundown checklist. John put tons of effort into that video and it shows. Thanks for always putting in the highest quality analysis john.
I think the main issue for this game is that FPS cap....even for base PS4, i'm sure it could solve a portion of the judder due to no jumps above 30fps
I think the main issue for this game is that FPS cap....even for base PS4, i'm sure it could solve a portion of the judder due to no jumps above 30fps
GT Sport has the best HDR I've ever seen. I think HZD is really good, but it's not even close to GTS IMO.
I liked ACO's, but some did not. Beyond that it's somewhat forgetful TBH.
CB render target is half of what a native res is. Even DF stated that in their articles talking about cb. Nothing false. The pixels X pushes out is double than what pro does without using reconstruction techniques when using cb. That's what I'm comparing it to. Nothing made up. This is why it's a good way to see how cb stacks with a native res. A cb res isn't as good as a full blown native res. This is why John states in the video "...that said while the pixel count is slightly lower the overall clarity of the image during gameplay is actually improved on the X...". Also in perforamnce mode X gets up to 60fps and at the hub hovers around 55fps while pro was around 40fps. Only in the heat of combat the difference is lessen and in high vegeation areas due to the effects and alphas are tied to the render res. Hence the DOF is lower res than X
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He likes to cherry-pick one portion of the frame buffer that isn't flattering to CBR and use it as a platform for 1X superiority, ignoring the rest of the pipeline. It's easily the most stubborn example of cognitive dissonance I've seen since the PS2 Xbox console warrior era.
If you have an X seriously turn off HDR. Game looks a billion times better on my 1080p projector then on my 4K HDR tv. It's a total white wash yet the particles pop with color as they should. It's just all sorts of fucked up in HDR
People that watch DF videos are probably the ones with Pro/X.
I honestly dont see how it could be avoided in some scenarios given the kind of game it is and the combat system.
I've been playing with my son and to be honest...it's not too bad...some of the fights which have alpha effects like smoke...dust create some problems but you are generally rolling around like mad trying to reposition so you don't notice
This comparison is useless considering it's not a 4K video. From my comparisons of my screenshots from the Pro beta and the 1X final version the Pro looked significantly more aliased.Pro comes out looking comparatively good in resolution mode.
Any chance of some high res comparison screenshots?
From the footage I've seen aside from this video as well as my own beta experience, I get the feeling that the team's inexperience with modern hardware caused them to have some weird prioritization, rather than it being one specific thing. The game is clearly a big step forward visually for the series, but I don't think it's unfair at all to say that it's far from the best that either platform has offered, and certainly many of those games above it on a technical level don't exhibit anywhere near the kind of issues that this game suffers from.
That being said, it does seem like that the amount of foliage and the density of the particle effects would be easiest culprits to point out, since there's a lot of both of those and they can be pretty taxing.
Makes sense. That said, I assume that like any MH game there are desert areas - is performance there better?
The parts that really got me were these: "Noticeable loss in image quality when moving camera. 1080p on PS4 looks sharp when standing still but becomes blurry when moving. Same for XB1." - Seriously? I mean this is MH, you move the camera constantly, and there is no standing still...
It's probably best to avoid arguing with someone who has a picture of the Scorpio chip as his avatar and all of his posts have been some variation on claiming the X is a beast. He's been corrected many times on this sort of thing and refuses to respond or engage with it.
That does appear to be the case in Wildspire Wastes, since the framerate on average is about 10 frames greater and it even hits 60 fps with some frequency at times on the X. John even mentions the lack of foliage being the likely reason why.
Coming from the Nintendo games to me MHW looks absolutely incredible and plays amazing, I've always been happy with 30fps being primarily a console gamer. I'm playing on Pro with a C7 oled with the graphics option on, the HDR is quite strong in the menus/loading screens but is a bit more muted in-game compared to stuff like HZD but it still makes a huge difference without it, you can really see it in the skybox at any time and in the game world at dawn/dusk. The best part for me is that the game so far has been completely gltich/bug free (after 50hours) and doesn't seem to have dropped below 30fps even when I'm in the middle of a 3 monster battle online with 3 other players and also being a dual blades user means lots of camera panning, quick cuts and movement so the intensity of the onscreen action is at it's maximum. Overall this game is a dream come true because the first time I played this series on Wii with Tri I've longed for a HD version so for me the upgrade in graphics, resolution, level size, atmosphere and quality of life changes are pure perfection and my only gripe with the whole game (which is more of a design decision) is that they got rid of the water combat which imo offered up some nice variety which for me is always a good thing as long as it's used sparingly (just like elder dragon quests). Excellent breakdown by DF as always and for my preferences it seems the PS4 Pro version is the better choice.
I've been playing on resolution mode with the pro. The framerate one wasn't worth it from my experience. Haven't tried graphics yet
Perhaps this is due to the MH team being inexperienced with HD development
Honestly, I actually think this is the big reason why they stuck with MT Framework, since they've been using it since Monster Hunter debuted on the 3DS and it's nothing if not extremely scalable. If they tried their hand at another middleware engine like UE4 or, god forbid, Capcom tried to get them to work with Panta Rhei, I doubt we would have seen the game in any playable state now.
Also Wipeout Omega is a great showcase for HDR :)
It is also in native 4k/60 fps.
But I will definitely turn off HDR on MonHun after reading this thread.
HDR is totally borked, as others have mentioned. I've found that the game actually looks better with HDR turned off on my OLED.
If they had used UE, I am sure it would have looked amazing and probably not as aged as MT makes World look. I think the game looks great but needs more work to make it shine.
Boys, shit... help me...
Oh lawd...
I got into a YouTube comments fight about native va checkerboard with a complete idiot...
I dunno what came over me...
Oh lawd...
I got into a YouTube comments fight about native va checkerboard with a complete idiot...
I dunno what came over me...