Digital Foundry: Xbox Series X Backwards Compatibility Tested - And The Performance Is Extreme

RivalGT · Sep 28, 2020

mugurumakensei said:
The way pro functions where it shuts off half the gpu to work for non-enhanced titles. I imagine by default, PS5 will do the same and also downclock CUs. Then, in boost mode, it will clock up but not increase CUs.

Boost mode on pro uses half the CUs, but the clocks are still running at native speeds for the GPU and CPU. We still don't know how PS5 will handle boost mode, but PS4 Pro and PS5 do have the same number of CUs so maybe that won't be an issue anymore.

Wet Jimmy · Sep 28, 2020

litebrite said:
Well from my understanding, XB1 games aren't being emulated but running natively on XSX/XSS.

Hrm. So how are Microsoft modifying Gears Ultimate if it's not in the original code and it's not running via emulation?

Border · Sep 28, 2020

Can't get that excited over backwards compatibility until they add some of the lost Xbox Original gems, like Jet Set Radio Future.

litebrite · Sep 28, 2020

Wet Jimmy said:
Hrm. So how are Microsoft modifying Gears Ultimate if it's not in the original code and it's not running via emulation?

I don't know. LOL If my understanding is right, then I can only assume their techniques and methods have evolved and have gotten more advanced. Perhaps it's something simple due to it running natively.

DrEvil · Sep 28, 2020

I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

Mesharey · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

Nope, I'll give mine to my nephew.

VanWinkle · Sep 28, 2020

Never thought I'd say this, but I wish more XB1 games had had unlocked framerates, lol. So awesome seeing these games run nearly locked 60.

antennastoheaven · Sep 28, 2020

Wet Jimmy said:
Hrm. So how are Microsoft modifying Gears Ultimate if it's not in the original code and it's not running via emulation?

Complete guessing but I'm thinking something akin to API injection? They can manipulate the API calls to change stuff around I GUESS.

SRTtoZ · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

Nope.

Baked Pigeon · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

I'm thinking the same thing. I'll probably give mine to a nephew.

edit : beaten

Black Chamber · Sep 28, 2020

Remember I said this fam - Cyberpunk 2077 will be native 4K and 60fps on the Xbox Series X🤘🍸💯

Maple · Sep 28, 2020

Black Chamber said:
Remember I said this fam - Cyberpunk 2077 will be native 4K and 60fps on the Xbox Series X🤘🍸💯

The reworked next-gen version releasing next year or the Xbox One version coming out on November 19th?

Mona · Sep 28, 2020

Take Fujii vindicated

Jiggy · Sep 28, 2020

mugurumakensei said:
The way pro functions where it shuts off half the gpu to work for non-enhanced titles. I imagine by default, PS5 will do the same and also downclock CUs. Then, in boost mode, it will clock up but not increase CUs.

The Pro boost mode did offer framerate improvements for most PS4 games, but obviously it was still limited by pretty weak hardware. The PS5 Boost mode should be an expansion of that. It won't work miracles but games with uncapped framerates should get to a solid 60.

Wollan · Sep 28, 2020

Black Chamber said:
Remember I said this fam - Cyberpunk 2077 will be native 4K and 60fps on the Xbox Series X🤘🍸💯

Have CDPR confirmed unlocked framerate?

HgS · Sep 28, 2020

FantasticMrFoxdie said:
Impressive

Damn. As someone who isn't a BC warrior, thats a system selling feature right there

That basically gets rid of the need for remasters this gen

Not to mention sets a precedent that hopefully informs dev design decisions going forward. The more work devs do to give performance options in a game at launch, or at least design the game with a quick patch later on in mind, the more they'll benefit 3-7 years down the line when a new console launches.

Wet Jimmy · Sep 28, 2020

antennastoheaven said:
Complete guessing but I'm thinking something akin to API injection? They can manipulate the API calls to change stuff around I GUESS.

Good call. Microsoft will have the permissions-keys-to-the-kingdom so I imagine it's viable for them to make plenty of in-memory changes at run-time?

Hawk269 · Sep 28, 2020

Black Chamber said:
Remember I said this fam - Cyberpunk 2077 will be native 4K and 60fps on the Xbox Series X🤘🍸💯

At the games launch? I don't know about that. They keep saying that a next gen patch wont be till next year sometime.

Hawk269 · Sep 28, 2020

I wish they tested a HDD connected to the Series X and compared load times in addition to a traditional SSD connected to the Series X and test that as well. Would like to see those type of results as well. If a BC game can load from a traditional SSD External close to the speed of the internal SSD then that would save some space.

sjackso3 · Sep 28, 2020

Hawk269 said:
At the games launch? I don't know about that. They keep saying that a next gen patch wont be till next year sometime.

It will be enhanced to some degree at launch on all next gen consoles.

Cyberpunk 2077 will 'look better' on Xbox Series X and PS5 at launch, full next-gen update in 2021

While Cyberpunk 2077 will receive a full next-gen update in 2021, CD Projekt Red assures investors the game will look better on Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 from launch day.

www.windowscentral.com

Equanimity · Sep 28, 2020

The Sekiro image posted earlier in this thread showing 60fps got me excited for no reason, the video shows that it's struggling with that target rather frequently during combat and tall grass stealth.

This is too unstable for my liking:

mentok15 · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

I've only got a One S lol. If I get the XSX the One S will go into a room for a media streaming box. Ill keep the controller then and I don't think I could get much money for it anyway.

gogojira · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

Amazon gave my $189 for mine so I took it in preparation for Series X.

delete · Sep 28, 2020

Hawk269 said:
I wish they tested a HDD connected to the Series X and compared load times in addition to a traditional SSD connected to the Series X and test that as well. Would like to see those type of results as well. If a BC game can load from a traditional SSD External close to the speed of the internal SSD then that would save some space.

They said that is something that they will look into.

Mesharey · Sep 28, 2020

Equanimity said:
The Sekiro image posted earlier in this thread showing 60fps got me excited for no reason, the video shows that it's struggling with that target rather frequently during combat and tall grass stealth.

This is too unstable for my liking:

With VRR compatible screen that would be awesome.

nogoodnamesleft · Sep 28, 2020

Black Chamber said:
Remember I said this fam - Cyberpunk 2077 will be native 4K and 60fps on the Xbox Series X🤘🍸💯

nah

RedRum · Sep 28, 2020

gogojira said:
Amazon gave my $189 for mine so I took it in preparation for Series X.

You sold your X on Amazon? How? Never done this.

bry · Sep 28, 2020

Definitely gonna jump back in for MHW
it's been so long but seeing the improvements motivates me to continue playing it

DrEvil · Sep 28, 2020

mentok15 said:
I've only got a One S lol. If I get the XSX the One S will go into a room for a media streaming box. Ill keep the controller then and I don't think I could get much money for it anyway.

This was my original plan, throw it in the living room as a netflix/plex/etc box, but I can also trade in my XBoX to EB for $250 credit or so towards the series X.. it may be more financially beneficial to trade it and then just get a chrome cast or something for the living room... decisions decisions..

Equanimity · Sep 28, 2020

Mesharey said:
With VRR compatible screen that would be awesome.

Yeah, it should feel and look fine on TVs that support VRR.

soul creator · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
I guess there's no real reason for me to hold onto my Xbox One X if I'm getting a Series X, is there?

Probably only need the older console if you use 1) Kinect or 2) the extra HDMI port for cable boxes/external media devices. For just regular ass controller gaming though, it increasingly sounds like there's no reason to keep the old one.

MrBob · Sep 28, 2020

Mesharey said:
With VRR compatible screen that would be awesome.

Agreed but i think the amount of people with a vrr screen will be tiny. At least for the first couple years so trying to hit 60 fps locked will be important. So my guess is Sekiro will be one of the games getting a special patch.

Vitamin_B_Complex · Sep 28, 2020

Finally, some comparisons as to why THE CONSOLE is awesome. I am happy for every Xbox fan, your next console is an absolute masterpiece of engineering.
Microsoft outdid themselves again after their fantastic Xbox one x.

ZeoVGM · Sep 28, 2020

I'm gonna need to know how FFXIII plays on Series X pls.

cb1115 · Sep 28, 2020

GTAIV needs that res bump like RDR1 next 🙏

mentok15 · Sep 28, 2020

DrEvil said:
This was my original plan, throw it in the living room as a netflix/plex/etc box, but I can also trade in my XBoX to EB for $250 credit or so towards the series X.. it may be more financially beneficial to trade it and then just get a chrome cast or something for the living room... decisions decisions..

I was going to trade in but I couldn't get EB only the Microsoft Store. And they where only going to give me around $80 for the console without a controller (which I want to keep), so not really worth the hassle tbh.

Black Chamber · Sep 28, 2020

Maple said:
The reworked next-gen version releasing next year or the Xbox One version coming out on November 19th?

Xbox One X version - and both.

Wollan said:
Have CDPR confirmed unlocked framerate?

Not yet...

nogoodnamesleft said:
nah

Yah🤘🍸💯

Deleted member 1238 · Sep 28, 2020

JusDoIt said:
This is a bit sobering, seeing next gen still struggle to hit a locked 60 on current gen games. My expectations for next gen have been appropriately adjusted.

This has completely taken the Series S out of the equation for me, though.

Did you listen to the video at all? None of these games are optimized for the next gen consoles. It's all brute force backwards compatibility. Games taking advantage of the system's architecture will have even bigger gains.

UltimateHigh · Sep 28, 2020

K.Jack said:
That is really great stuff. Those getting the XSX have huge boosts coming to their current-gen games.

Going from a base Xbox One to this will be special.

chandoog · Sep 28, 2020

DF shoul do a similar video for XBS as well, I'm a lot more interested in that scenario.

Dremorak · Sep 28, 2020

That save state thing is nuts :O
Any word if PS5 has a similar feature?

Maple · Sep 28, 2020

Black Chamber said:
Xbox One X version - and both.

Hope you're right. I wish CDPR would just tell us what resolution/frame-rate we can expect on the next-gen consoles.

AC: Valhalla and COD: Black Ops Cold War will be 4K/60 FPS on next-gen consoles, so it's going to seem odd if Cyberpunk isn't matching those upgrades.

ghostcrew · Sep 28, 2020

ZeoVGM said:
I'm gonna need to know how FFXIII plays on Series X pls.

Presumably the same as on One X. It's already native 4K and (I think?) 30fps locked on One X. Nothing to really push there. Game looks wonderful with the One X Enhanced update.

Teenage Fansub · Sep 28, 2020

Till the next gen patch, we might get 60fps if Cyberpunk has an unlocked X1X framerate.

Mesharey · Sep 28, 2020

ZeoVGM said:
I'm gonna need to know how FFXIII plays on Series X pls.

Pretty good, it's basically the One x ver afaik:

[4K] Final Fantasy 13: Xbox One X Enhanced - And The Best Version Yet

Join John and Alex for detailed discussion on the brilliant Final Fantasy 13 trilogy, enhanced for Xbox One X. Microsoft has really gone the extra mile here ...

youtu.be

leng jai · Sep 28, 2020

Honestly this is about what I expected given the raw power difference between the Series X and One X. Boosting unlocked games to 60fps is the bare minimum really, the fact it still drops is worse than I hoped but they can still improve it by launch.

JeffG · Sep 28, 2020

Hawk269 said:
I wish they tested a HDD connected to the Series X and compared load times in addition to a traditional SSD connected to the Series X and test that as well. Would like to see those type of results as well. If a BC game can load from a traditional SSD External close to the speed of the internal SSD then that would save some space.

Jeff Grubb did that in his video

RoastBeeph · Sep 28, 2020

dantx said:
rewatching the video from DS and saw this
ugh
i really wanna see games with the next gen patches

lol are you serious? The console warring in this post is so damn obvious. You actually took the time to find the frame with the lowest fps so you can whine about Series X BC.

Wet Jimmy · Sep 28, 2020

Mesharey said:
With VRR compatible screen that would be awesome.

That's the secret-sauce right there!

I've got an HDMI 2.1 TV just waiting for an input that can make it purr :0

t26 · Sep 28, 2020

Peter said:
Did you listen to the video at all? None of these games are optimized for the next gen consoles. It's all brute force backwards compatibility. Games taking advantage of the system's architecture will have even bigger gains.

I mean if From software wants to make a Series X version, it can run better. But for most games BC is all we are going to get. It will probably take the next refresh to get some games to run at 60 FPS

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