So going by digital foundry Mariko is 16nm, where does that put the switches gflops when docked? 550-600?
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Digital Foundry: The Next Switch: Tegra X1 'Mariko' - What Is It And What Can It Do?
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Based on your research where does that put the gflops of switch when docked and undocked?
Source? I have never seen anything like this.
And as far as I know there are only first party exclusives on the new 3DS.
My body was ready for this video.
Here we go.
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That's opposite of what they said. It was about they asked Nintendo and said it needed the Switch to have more RAM for the RE Engine. So Nintendo added more RAM. This was all prior to the system releasing.
Unless there was a more recent news with regards to this
I mean I would understand for creators who do their own work to make it 10+ min ,but for a channel that suppose to be bringing analyze/news you want to get to the point asap .
Edit: DF guy said 10 min is still as important as ever.
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I think it will be 12nm, which is just 16nm but refined
but don't look at nodes for performance. Nintendo could use the node for battery improvements than performance.
as for GFLOPs, at 1.2GHz, it would be 614 GFLOPs
Guess we should expect 600 gflops best case then for the new model and lower clocks for the mini but better battery
I wish the rumor about Switch Pro was true. Of course depending on how much more powerful it would be, I would hope at least Xbox One. So that I can play a game like Xenoblade and hopefully not have it look ridiculously blurry on my 65 incher.
They probably had the Pokemon SwSh trail running on the background. Those Winguls are hilarious.
Xenoblade 2 is blurry because of the TAA they use to remove the jaggies. I wish they would let us turn it off.
the old boosted clock for handheld mode (384MHz) was half the docked clock (768MHz). the new boosted clock is 460MHz, which is about half the current maximum for the switch (921MHz). IMO, this might be a hint that the revision's dock will be 921MHz
everything points to a pro. but don't take "pro" literally. it's not going to be like the PS4 Pro or XBOX
You're misremembering. The rumor was that limitation was why the Switch RAM was bumped from 3GB (like the Shield) to 4GB
I don't see how that hints the revision will have the same clock as the original
The max clock of the revision will prob be 1.2 - 1.3
Understandable, though it would be better if you at least get to the point of the video in the first few minutes, then after talk about other related points <3
it's more of a "don't take theoretical maximums as truth". we can look at the chips consoles are based on, but they never hit those listed peaks. not even the Shield TV can sustain the listed peaks without throttling at some point.
I'm just trying to play it safe. the CPU and ram/bandwidth is more interesting to me than the GPU anyway
People are hoping that the new handheld clock (boost or otherwise) is gonna be the same as the original docked clock (aka 768MHz). We know thanks to homebrew that this is possible even on the base Switch, so I really hope it would be doable on this revision.
I don't see that happening now if it's 16nm, the max clock in handheld might be around 600 MHz now though from 460
they didn't say much of anything about it, but we know the switch temporarily clocks up to 1.78GHz, so there can be a substantial boost to performance
I'm not gonna rule it out, but I do find it weird a Shield device wouldn't clocking higher than a Switch revision
There's really not a big difference between 16nm finfet and 12nm apparently, and DF just seems to be speculating on 16nm.
Were the clock speeds for the new shield actually confirmed? I thought we saw new voltages but everything else was potentially a placeholder.
no, but the source code where this information comes from is the best get got. and as DF said, it's kinda old
cpu - 2GHz
gpu - 1.47GHz
and digital foundry says the max clock of mariko is 1.276 even though the X2 and mariko are the same size
yea, it's old info. the X2 has the same gpu configuration too. like I said, I find it weird for a shield to be clocked the same as a Switch when they will have different power requirements. might just be a test sample
Gotcha, that makes sense.
So basically we can have a good idea of a range of performance but it's pretty large at the moment. Anything from no improvement to something like ~2x improvement on the GPU side.
The mini is the only one that won't see improvement imo
They will keep the speed low so they cut the cooling and save cost that way and use a smaller battery too
The mini will probably run at 460MHz max while the pro will go to 600 or higher and still have cooling
Damn, I didn't know that. Yeah I hate jaggies, but I would just accept them in this case.
I think it's a DS -> DSi situtuation...
Mostly the extra RAM will be used for the system OS (and applications like streaming).
In some instances, developers will be able to use it for added performance... but nothing that really requires a separate software line.
I hope you're right but we honestly have no idea right now. For all we know the "enhanced" Switch comes with a better screen, more internal storage and better wireless but the actual processing specs are identical.
We can't assume anything when we're dealing with Nintendo. That's why I think it's better to talk about the pro as having a potential performance range, not any single expected target.
we heard it was more akin to teh 3DS, which had a pretty big CPU improvement as well as ram amounts. if the ratio of devkit/retail is maintained, then there will still be more ram usable for games, and more bandwidth, potentially
I am not an expert but allow me to add a comment.
We simply don't know. I think it's safe to assume that Nintendo will have the same power budget as before since the console's form factor should not vary much (I mean it will not be much slimmer than it is currently) but how will this be split between performance one hand and efficiency improvement on the other remains to be seen.
Personally, I would love to see a 15-20 % increase in both CPU and GPU power. It would help smooth framerate and help the game with variable resolution to hit the ceiling more often. It would help a lot in Wolfenstein, and I assume, the Witcher 3.
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Interesting, I vaguely remember hearing about Minecraft but I had no idea BoI ever even launched on the 3DS. Thanks for the correction.
DF (outside of John's Retro videos which he does for free out of passion) aren't creating videos online for fun. They're made to generate revenue.
I love Richard's Switch videos but this one really wasn't needed imo.
Keep an eye out for the new Switch to be revealed in the coming weeks as I've noticed a trend with DF making content about products that are about to become public knowledge (their Witcher 3 Switch port video is a recent example).
Richard certainly knows more than he lets on. He's been in the industry for 25+ years and has a lot of contacts.
I read the article version and appreciated the summary of the information out there. I was hopeful it might feature some inside scoops, but I guess Nintendo is keeping its secrets well.
I understand that ,but if you are making revenue out of viewers you got to satisfy their needs.
10 min video for simple news can effect your viewer count in the long run.
At least getting to the point at the start of the video would be so much more convenient for those who aren't interested in the other stuff he talked about.
That sounds like the summary of 85% of DF's videos.
I get that they need quantity to keep the views up for revenue. But i wish it would be easier to filter out their guesswork-videos.
Witcher 3, Doom, SMO,Zelda and Wolfenstein trailer were on loop in that video
Seems.like a big hint to me
doesn't seem like a hint at anything, just the most graphically intensive and showcase titles for the switch
That's possible but it's also possible they know something
Look at their totally not hinting Witcher 3 video before it was announced and half of era thought it was impossible
it's not that I don't think they know anything, but that showing the "impossible" ports which are already running on basic switch isn't evidence of much
Not a ton to take from this, other than as a summary of where we are at. Everything we know about the Mariko, if it is the chip for the revision, is very speculative/theory crafting right now.
I don't believe 460mhz is actually "new", just new for 3rd party developers. I think it was found that Zelda and Mario were already using that clock speed.
I don't believe 460mhz is actually "new", just new for 3rd party developers. I think it was found that Zelda and Mario were already using that clock speed.
Do you have examples of times where this was an issue (in the videos I made, at least)?
What do you mean "creators who do their own work"?