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Digital Foundry suspect next-gen consoles will cost $600
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Yup yup, just depends on Sony's priorities which of course we don't really know.
My hunch is that they really don't need to push hard to get people to go digital, people are already doing that in droves voluntarily in the current gen. But who nose! So intriguing, waiting is killing me.
Most people can't afford that. If we are seeing $600 machines, expect sales to be low and a massively long cross gen period.
Canada basically is gonna live off of digital and the supposed super cheap xbox. I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox gets a market sweep next gen.
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This sounds like a pretty great idea from the business perspective if they can get away with it, even if its only in certain territories. But I'd absolutely hate it.
A lot of people don't buy used games anyway. I'm all digital so I'd take a cheaper sku, the drive is useless to me. Sales are good enough these days on PSN I haven't felt the need to buy a used game in like 5 years.
So far all signs point to PlayStation continuing what worked with the PS4 ie sell near cost. BOM on a disk drive is like $20. There's no need to have the two versions have a significantly different BOM-MSRP ratio. Be it one at a significant loss or one at a significant profit or whatever.
They would have to ship with a $60 game in every disk box to justify a $100 price difference. The PS5 doesn't have a Wii Sports(a game that 99% of console buyers want) so that's probably not the best idea.
While of course they are 110% more clued in to the industry than I am, I'm curious what drastically changed the price-point from this Bloomberg article from February? They expected costs to be about $450ish. Of course Covid difficulties could impact this, but I highly doubt the contracts and things they already had in place could change THAT drastically. Typically console makers take a loss on initial hardware sales and I totally expect that to be the case once again this time around with the rise of digital sales and the importance of locking people to their ecosystem.
I'm still expecting a $399 digital edition and perhaps a $499 standard PS5.
I'm still expecting a $399 digital edition and perhaps a $499 standard PS5.
Yea seriously, MS is putting free gamepass trials in bubblegum and pop tarts boxes. Give a 1 year of gamepass with every Series X to entice people, it's their most effective weapon in the console wars.
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If they price the cheaper SKU at 499, then the narrative will be PS5 at $499. Just like how the PS3 had a cheaper version that no one seems to remember.
I agree with you for the most part, but I think the XSS will be cheaper than you think. Some points to consider (first two are probable, the last one is more rumor at this point):
- Leaks from insiders suggest that it is smaller than the XSX (that whole thing about being carried around inside XSX or Xbox OneX cases to hide the form factor). The smaller it is the cheaper it will be to package, ship, and store which will result in supply chain savings
- Given what has been leaked about the APU it will draw significantly less power than the XSX/PS5 which means savings on cooling and power supply
- It has been suggested that the XSS is intended for 1080p gaming, and may play the Xbox One S versions of games for backwards compat via smart delivery. If this is the case a 1 TB SSD is super overkill, even for a digital console. This is especially true if it supports the same external upgrades as the XSX. They may reduce the internal SSD size to 500GB (or maybe less)
The 20GB version was not available worldwide AFAIKIf they price the cheaper SKU at 499, then the narrative will be PS5 at $499. Just like how the PS3 had a cheaper version that no one seems to remember.
That's why it ''doesn't matter''.
If the things have to go this route with pricing the full version consoles (the non digital version, etc), this is more or less what I'm expecting. If you want to go further, just make SeS digital only and go with $300 for that.
Same here.
Although I feel like Era is a little out of touch and thinks way more people would be reminded of the $599 PS3 announcement all the way back in 2005 then there actually would be.
Oh i definitely hate it too but i just think that is how it will play out. I feel like both console makers want to get rid of discs completely and lock everyone into their stores. What complicates that is of-course the relationship with retailers like Game Stop and Best Buy and Amazon, the last two which i'm sure make a good amount of $ from game sales. Maybe they could work with some online retailers to offer some sort of like referral payment to entice them to still have their games be on the site. Who knows.
Probably what both would like, but that doesn't mean they'd actually do it, which is why they are both silent, I don't see either going above 500, they'll just eat the loss and let the networks do the heavy lifting.
It would definitely be the final nail in the coffin regarding next gen for me, absolutely no interest at that price anytime soon, especially with early-mid 2021 looking real barren, due to Covid destroying whatever was planned.
It would definitely be the final nail in the coffin regarding next gen for me, absolutely no interest at that price anytime soon, especially with early-mid 2021 looking real barren, due to Covid destroying whatever was planned.
...But the narrative surrounding the PS3 wasn't that it was a $499 console, it was Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars. There's a reason no one talks about the $499 PS3, it was overshadowed by its big brother. If there are $549/$599 or even $499/$599 consoles, $599 will be the narrative surrounding the PS5.If they price the cheaper SKU at 499, then the narrative will be PS5 at $499. Just like how the PS3 had a cheaper version that no one seems to remember.
I thought it would be between $550 and $599 but a lot of people were insisting on $400-$450. I guess we'll find out soon.
I can imagine a world where the disk-less PS5 is 499 and the other 549. I think 599 is a scary number both companies will avoid.
RE: the big problem with the digital edition is that retailers will demand a substantially higher margin than the disc edition, since (in theory) the retailer would be able to make their money selling discs (which obviously won't happen with the digital edition). Therefore, I do think predictions that the initial price difference between the disc and digital will be higher than US$50 is extremely naive, since the retailers will demand a higher margin before they stock the SKU in the first place.
I don't think $499 is a "ridiculously good value" but it is, at the very least, affordable for more people where $600 is not.
499€ would already be too expensive... But that would explain even more why MS decided to make the XSS as well.
That would also explain why both Sony and MS won't commit to a price lol
That would also explain why both Sony and MS won't commit to a price lol
The world economy collapsing would be a big factor in a change in cost between February and now.
So around 920$ CAD tax in. I don't think I can afford both consoles at launch again this time around.
Isn't it expected to be shipping with Astro's Playground?
They might not sell as quickly, but they'll still sell. New console bug will get a lot of people, especially if they can play their PS4/XB1 games.
No. There's a custom controller chip in PS5, yeah, but it's likely to be cheap in production and XSX will have to use an SSD controller too for its SSD storage so the only difference is that PS5's custom one will likely have higher R&D costs to amortize over the length of the gen. Flash itself is just your ordinary MLC or TLC flash for both.
The biggest indicator of a near $600 price tag is both being reluctant to talk about price.
If the price of both regular editions was like $479 I think someone would've budged by now. The fact both are staying very quiet is what is suggesting the manufacturers aren't comfortable with the price either.
If the price of both regular editions was like $479 I think someone would've budged by now. The fact both are staying very quiet is what is suggesting the manufacturers aren't comfortable with the price either.
Yup, makes sense. I admit i view things in the vacuum of me and my friends and how we buy our games, but i don't think i've actually seen anywhere what % of people still actually buy used games. If the number is something small like 10% or less of games are used then it probably doesn't make sense for Sony to worry about driving people aggressively.
By that logic, Sony and Microsoft should have needed to slash prices on their current hardware to keep sales up. Instead, all models of PS4 and Xbox One have been out of stock for months.
They can't really make the price difference bigger because the disc drive itself doesn't cost much, the cost of the console isn't lowered much at all by removing it.
My pessimistic guess:
PS5: 549
XSX: 549 (starting at 32,99 with All Access)
PS5 DE: 499 or 479
XSS: 399 (starting at 26,99 with All Access)
PS5: 549
XSX: 549 (starting at 32,99 with All Access)
PS5 DE: 499 or 479
XSS: 399 (starting at 26,99 with All Access)
More specifically, transport capacity has shrunk dramatically, which means transporting large quantities of goods is significantly more expensive this time last year. Large part of the reason why I think $399 is off the table.
That's more akin to a demo disk than a full game from what they've shown. And I highly doubt that's going to be only included with the disk console.
A) Contracts for parts would have been well negotiated and agreed upon well before the collapse. And this article is from February where places around the world were already feeling the effects of Covid.
B) Seems if the economy is collapsing I would read the room and not gouge the price and piss off the consumers you need to actually buy the thing so you can make money.
I can definitely see Sony and Microsoft both delaying until March because of economic reasons. If the U.S. government doesn't provide a second round of stimulus checks for Americans, things are gonna be financially really bad in arguably their most important market for a fall release.
It depends on the country, Argentina and Venezuela are ruled out, with the majority of prices.
The problem is that due to Covid, our currencies have devalued quite a bit and Sony does not use regional prices.