If both are running 30fps then why does the stadia version look a LOT smoother. It does straight to tomb raider (confirmed to be 60) and it looks the same.
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Digital Foundry: Stadia Red Dead 2 runs at 1440p and 30 fps at X1X settings on Chromecast. 1080p uncapped in browser.
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If both are running 30fps then why does the stadia version look a LOT smoother. It does straight to tomb raider (confirmed to be 60) and it looks the same.
Ok so you are a non-random Resetera user declaring something 60FPS by looking at a video on YouTube
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Digital Foundry using high speed cameras and years of experience analyzing framerates
Jesus that's horrible. Once this thing gets in more people's hands tomorrow, I only imagine the stress on the connection will get worse. Where did you grab the screenshot from?ahh the future
Yikes!
What the heck happened, I thought all the demos received positive feedback, as did the beta they had a while ago...
On the one hand, it should be, relatively speaking, easy enough to scale up the server hardware (every online service sucks at launch, I would say). On the other hand why would you upscale from 1080p to 4K for streaming game footage. What a waste of bandwidth.
That's news to me! I've flagged it for Richard.
Makes me wonder if it's related to using the premium 4K service? Maybe when running in '4K' mode it's higher res (1440p) and 30fps. Perhaps it can do 1080p as well at a higher frame-rate? I can't check myself.
from the SA forums. Obviously its a connection spike or something, but fuck that. I'm looking forward to buying RDR2 on steam and playing it for the first time in December
Holy crap. That's atrocious. What could hold Destiny 2 back so much? If RDR2 is running at X1X levels, why isn't Destiny?
Thanks for actually watching the video rather than just passive-agressively writing me off š
Perhaps they figured enough people wouldn't notice and the TV would happily report that you are getting a 4K stream
I watched the video multiple times; sorry if I don't buy that any of us could tell what is running at 60 FPS from a video that's a recording of something, then re-encoded for YouTube.
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Pointing a 180fps camera directly at a screen rendering the game and analyzing the results.
It's possible the games run at different framerates when doing 4k vs. 1080p but there's little chance DF is actually "wrong" in their analysis.
It looks to be a screenshot of the PS4 version of RDR (note the button prompts) with a ton of pixelation added to it via photoshop.
Power of the cloud. No home PC or console could calculate all those photoshop filters at runtime!
So many words for these preachers to avoid just saying "Its for the rich" like they mean.
That side by side is showing exactly what the poster suggests though.
There's a lot that could account for it, but it definitely looks smoother. DF make mistakes. They correct them too when people are kind enough to point them out.
And Destiny is the free game they give with the 4K60 service right? what a travesty.
It definitely looks smoother, way smoother; slowing it down to .25x makes that even more obvious.
I'm just not confident proclaiming that means it's 60FPS; we are talking about 2 disparate videos using possibly different equipment / encoding then run into some other video editing software to do the side by side/etc.
I mean I HOPE it's 60FPS; that would make the 1440p decision make way more sense.
Remember when Phil Straight Talkin' Spencer was interviewed by Giant Bomb @ E3 and said for now your best quality is still local hardware? That streaming's primary benefit was for mobile play?
I remember.
I also remember Jack Bullshittin' Buser. Giant Bomb saw right through it all, too.
Cult of Phil endures, Spencer will always be the good Phil.
I remember.
I also remember Jack Bullshittin' Buser. Giant Bomb saw right through it all, too.
Cult of Phil endures, Spencer will always be the good Phil.
Everything that guy touches fucking flops. He's useless and he's stealing a living.
I did not do the capture of stadia, but I did watch some clips Richard sent to me. Ultra high quality encodes, and they were indeed 30 fps. Dual frames in 60 Hz feed.
The clips were 4k 60 Hz, and were very obviously 30 fps for the game.
For example, i was stepping through them frame by frame to find aliasing and that required me to skip 2 frames to see unique ones
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Is the disconnect here a result of using double buffer vsync? Drops to 30 the instant it can't maintain 60 fps?
I don't trust a single thing with his name attached to it.
Would be pretty interesting if it is 60fps when in 1080p mode. The GameExplain video is not in 4k as far as I can tell.
Murdy Plops : Sorry if I came across rude... I just don't like proclaiming things from YouTube videos vs. people like DF who do in depth analysis. But it does look way smoother than the X1X footage.
Did you get a chance to watch the gamexplain clip? I don't doubt Richard knows 30fps when he sees it. Perhaps John is right about there potentially being different results at different resolutions... Or gamexplain really messed up.
Still 1440p 60 should be theoretically doable given what we've been told about the stadia hardware...thats why I think this deserves a closer look.
I'm guessing that they don't dedicate a single server blade to a single user at any given time. That is probably something that should have been expected and it's cost effective. For most uses, you probably can't tell the difference after it is encoded to a video anyway. It has to go through close inspection to tell apart and it was never going to look as good as native.
I dunno though; doing some research I found several articles testing Vega-64/56 cards that couldn't hit 60FPS @1440p with RDR2.
That's with what they claimed were "high" settings, not Ultra or anything.
I'm betting for consistency sake Google requires games be either locked 30 or locked 60 FPS.
Example:
They hit 60FPS average @1080p tho.
LMAO! I damn near choked on a pretzel when reading this.
lol, people rarely apologize or admit wrong on the internet.. I try to do both, usually :)
It really does look smooth as fuck in that game explain video. I didn't notice how smooth it looked until I slowed down to .25x. Now I kinda want to puke from the choppy X1X footage lol
But it could be any number of factors; it is a really good video but I'm not sure of Game Explains expertise on video encoding and whatnot.. could have some frame interpolation BS enabled or something for the Stadia footage. (i'm certainly no expert either)
Tell me about it. I finished the campaign on Xbox One X but it only looks 'bad' when you compare it to higher frame rates. I'm torn with what to do with my stadia pre order. I think I'll have a fiddle with it for a few weeks then decide.