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platocplx

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm not surprised an extra decryption layer def will eat away performance.
The idea that you can have these constant DRM checks and shit code running alongside a game and it not affecting performance was always silly.
Right who the hell was saying it wouldn't be a performance hit. Any encryption/decryption at any level Would absolutely do that imo.
 

Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is fascinating and utterly embarrassing on Capcom's part. There needs to be some serious internal review to avoid this in the future.
 

masizzai

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Nov 28, 2017
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The most egregious issue I had performance wise was when the sisters grabbed ethan. They have to get this DRM the hell off the game.
 

dmr87

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Oct 27, 2017
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Thank you.

Kind regards, Capcpom.
 

Schlomo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are you getting the same performance increase with that new dll fix people were talking about, or does that just fix the stutters?
 
Oct 29, 2017
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*see thread title* uhhh
*see screen capture in thread* faints

This is definitely unacceptable. I hate how it is so difficult to game with PC sometimes ...
 

.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bombshell. Hope Capcom addresses it and avoids blunders like these in the future, but I have my doubts.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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That framework posted on the PC Performance Thread doesn't remove the DRM, but skips the constant checks. Might be a safer alternative for now, as the sisters attack the player using that.

Of course, it's time for Capcom to remove the checks (or the DRM entirely) and change the practice entirely for their next games.
 

MegaXZero

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RedSwirl

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Oct 25, 2017
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I still don't think I've heard of anybody else getting that problem where the framerate stays locked in the 20s or so whenever they go near a certain part of the village. Like, half the time I start to approach the altar my framerate tanks, but it'll recover if I reload the game or leave that one area.
 

Adulfzen

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Oct 29, 2017
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Yes.

But I wish they would finally do some more coverage of other titles that aren't AAA next gen releases.
They could do so much more interesting Switch stuff as example, I'm a little bit tired of their selection recently.
yeah I've noticed that as well, I do feel like the Switch coverage will just keep dwindling until 2022 where "bigger" software comes out (I do expect something for Metroid Dread and maybe SMTV)
 

BeI

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Dec 9, 2017
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It's probably complicated, but is there any reason all DRM checks can't happen at Steam login or something, separate from the games, so they aren't damaging performance?
 

test_account

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Oct 25, 2017
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Love to pay for a worse experience, cheers Capcom.
I see your point, and i think its a fair one, but cant one buy the game and still apply the crack? Or do one have to download the whole cracked game to be able to use it (maybe simply applying the crack wont work with the Steam client for example, or something like that)? I remember back in the days when i used a NO-CD crack for a game that i had bought, simply so i didnt have to have the CD in the CD-ROM everytime i played. This way, i got to have the original game and still being able to get the benefits of a cracked version, so i thought it would be worth mentioning :) Back then it was just to download an .exe file and replace the original .exe file with the cracked .exe file though. Maybe things are more difficult now.

EDIT: And just to clearify, it shouldnt be necessary to have to download a crack to be able to run the game better, i'm not arguing against that at all. The payed version should be the best one, i fully agree with that. I was just curious when the situation is like it is, and if someone who payed for the game could technically also be able to take advantage of what the crack does.
 
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Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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I see your point, and i think its a fair one, but cant one buy the game and still apply the crack? Or do one have to download the whole cracked game to be able to use it (maybe simply applying the crack wont work with the Steam client for example, or something like that)? I remember back in the days when i used a NO-CD crack for a game that i had bought, simply so i didnt have to have the CD in the CD-ROM everytime i played. This way, i got to have the original game and still being able to get the benefits of a cracked version, so i thought it would be worth mentioning :) Back then it was just to download an .exe file and replace the original .exe file with the cracked .exe file though. Maybe things are more difficult now.
Yes, but this doesn't change the fact that a paying customer has a worse time than someone who pirated it.
 

horkrux

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's probably complicated, but is there any reason all DRM checks can't happen at Steam login or something, separate from the games, so they aren't damaging performance?

They want it to be difficult to find all the checks, and if they happen at varying points during gameplay, then they're more likely to be overlooked.
 

Mars People

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Oct 25, 2017
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Over two months.

ZERO PATCHES

ZERO!

Not to mention zero word from Capcom themselves.
 

dgrdsv

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well shit, how did Capcom fuck this up even more?
I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that it's "Capcom's DRM" which is the cause here. What DRM would that even be?
You can have Denuvo integrated into a game in many ways, and it seems far more plausible that the shoddy integration of Denuvo's (or Steam DRM's) hooks by Capcom is the culprit here.

All in all this PC port has really been shat out by Capcom with absolutely zero fucks given to its quality, or options, or performance.
No idea why the game got such high scores on PC.
 

flyinj

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Oct 25, 2017
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I see your point, and i think its a fair one, but cant one buy the game and still apply the crack? Or do one have to download the whole cracked game to be able to use it (maybe simply applying the crack wont work with the Steam client for example, or something like that)? I remember back in the days when i used a NO-CD crack for a game that i had bought, simply so i didnt have to have the CD in the CD-ROM everytime i played. This way, i got to have the original game and still being able to get the benefits of a cracked version, so i thought it would be worth mentioning :) Back then it was just to download an .exe file and replace the original .exe file with the cracked .exe file though. Maybe things are more difficult now.

I don't even know where to get a crack. And I'm for damn sure not going to download an executable from some sketchy site
 

Serpens007

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Oct 31, 2017
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Completely unacceptable that the paid version is worse.

Good on DF for making this video
 

test_account

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, but this doesn't change the fact that a paying customer has a worse time than someone who pirated it.
Sure, thats why i think that your point is fair :) I was just wondering if a payed consumer also could apply the crack, so this way, a paying consumer would still have the same time/experience as someone who pirated it. Although it shouldnt be necessary to do this of course (having to download a crack to get better performance), i fully agree with that, i was just wondering if it was at least possible as a workaround when the situation is like it is.


I don't even know where to get a crack. And I'm for damn sure not going to download an executable from some sketchy site
Thats fair enough. I was just curious if a paying consumer could still be able to get the same benefits as someone who pirated the game :) Although it shouldnt be necessary to do this of course (having to download a crack to get better performance), i fully agree with that, i was just wondering if it was at least possible as a workaround when the situation is like it is.
 

Patazord

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Dec 14, 2017
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The only part i got frame issue was with the sisters, the rest of the game was really smooth at 60 fps but there is no reason to not get the crack, i don't trust Capcom to remove their DRM.
 

samred

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Nov 4, 2017
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Digital Foundry making a video on this is huge as it might open the floodgates for more major outlets reporting on this

My Ars piece from Monday, which included our own confirmation of the performance issue, went live without Capcom responding to my questions. I'm still waiting for a response. I do wonder if DF and Rich's scrutiny will change their tune.

arstechnica.com

Better performance for pirates: Crack removes stutters from Capcom PC game

This time, Denuvo doesn't appear to be the culprit... entirely.

EDIT: ... I spoke too soon. Capcom just emailed me now saying "the team is currently looking into the reported PC performance issues." Whaddya know. Good one, Rich.
 

Reinhard

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Oct 27, 2017
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I still don't think I've heard of anybody else getting that problem where the framerate stays locked in the 20s or so whenever they go near a certain part of the village. Like, half the time I start to approach the altar my framerate tanks, but it'll recover if I reload the game or leave that one area.
I get that error except it isn't the frame rate tanked to 20 fps. Instead, the frame rate randomly goes from 80-90ish down to below 50 until I restart the game from desktop.
 

BeI

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Dec 9, 2017
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They want it to be difficult to find all the checks, and if they happen at varying points during gameplay, then they're more likely to be overlooked.

Do you think a single "thorough" check through Steam's servers at login could even be made "unavoidable"?

Although I feel like I'm getting a bit confused: if you buy and own the game on Steam, what exactly do they even need to constantly check when Steam could already provide ownership data?
 

RoboitoAM

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol glad I didn't buy this at launch (and even if I did, would've refunded it immediately).

Gonna enjoy the completed edition in a few months for cheap
 

th1nk

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Nov 6, 2017
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Capcoms post-launch support of their big titles has been absolutely abysmal, to say the least. It seems that as soon as the games are shipped, all work on them has to stop immediately. Not even a FOV slider was patched into RE8, even after many complaints about motion sickness. Very disappointing. Capcom should be ashamed of their post-launch support, their games deserve better.