Entry level is 2060 and it's $300.
Proper lightning can be a bit difficult to see in static images, especially since most rasterization approaches are producing tolerable static results since they are either baked in or screen space. The difference is usually immediately noticeable in motion to anyone. Screenshots don't do any justice here.
Doesnt Monster Hunter World have a reconstruction technique applied when you use FidelityFX+CAS option?
"Proper lighting" hmm... that's an interesting terminology you used.
I'm going by my own experiences. People tend to like visibility even if it's not physically possible
I think monster hunter uses reconstruction if you choose to be subnative in that game? Yeah
300 for an entry level card... i really miss the geforce 8800 times
No it's not, i always bought mid ranger cards (9700 Pro, X850 Pro, 8800GTS, HD7950, GTX 970) for that price or less and they all were absolute killers price to performance wise, what nvidia is offering these days is terrible value, and i say this as someone who recently bought a 12k euros motorcycle, so It's not that i can't buy one, i just refuse to be overcharged
PC gaming is not inherently expensive. You can build a competent system that is cheaper than owning all the current-gen consoles (and then the pro upgrades) - which many people here do.
It actually came with the iceborne update. I don't know if it used reconstruction when going subnative before, but turning on FidelityFX+CAS definitely makes it use reconstruction when using native Res and turns it off when you disable FidelityFX+CAS
You're looking at it the wrong way. Entry level 2060 is far from an entry level performer in non RT loads. It blows away the value of every other $300 GPU. RX 5700 is overpriced considering you pay more and don't even get ray tracing.
I think it's more because that low end is still serviced by old-ass cards like the 580. The majority buys cards in the sub-300 area and the choices are a lot of new cards that do as well as old cards. They're good if it's a legit upgrade, but for people with 1060s and 580s it's been a wash
No, it won't. That's the beauty of RT - it will always look proper, no matter how you place it. The only way to make it look bad is to not use PBR materials but this will make non-RT lighting look even worse. And who doesn't use PBR these days?
Entry level for your own home RT capable device.
AMD is 100% competitive at the moment between 2060 and 2070S which covers about 2/3rds of RTX lineup. You basically get similar performance from NV with RTX for free. I don't know how this is "inflating prices".
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I adore RT emissives. Perfect for future games/sci-fi/cyberpunk stuff since there are so many non-pointlight area lights everywhere!saw this while browsing the UE forums. this is probably what people mean when they say ray tracing will help devs, when you can start lighting your scenes before you even place light actors
zero light actors, all emissive (the UE4 reflections demo)
and again, all emissives (GI off/on)
Working emissive materials in RTGI (with screenshots)
Been playing around with injecting emissive materials into the RT Global Illumination lighting environment. Big drawbacks are: Denoiser is not working with the injected irradiance Environment has to have at least SOME lighting (HDR map, point light etc) Digging more, but man it is glorious...
None of those cards you mentioned were midrangers. They were either the 2nd most powerful or the 3rd most powerful card in the market.
So cool :)saw this while browsing the UE forums. this is probably what people mean when they say ray tracing will help devs, when you can start lighting your scenes before you even place light actors
zero light actors, all emissive (the UE4 reflections demo)
*screenshots*
Working emissive materials in RTGI (with screenshots)
Been playing around with injecting emissive materials into the RT Global Illumination lighting environment. Big drawbacks are: Denoiser is not working with the injected irradiance Environment has to have at least SOME lighting (HDR map, point light etc) Digging more, but man it is glorious...
No.
DLSS 1x reconstructs a chosen native resolution from a lower one by learning how the same image would look like at a higher than native (supersampled) resolution.
Well, the other thing is, you save a lot of time calculating light maps. You get the lighting where you want it with ray tracing, then do your bake to make sure it still looks good. It's going to cut down on the whole bake / tweak / bake / tweak / bake time sink.saw this while browsing the UE forums. this is probably what people mean when they say ray tracing will help devs, when you can start lighting your scenes before you even place light actors
zero light actors, all emissive (the UE4 reflections demo)
and again, all emissives (GI off/on)
Working emissive materials in RTGI (with screenshots)
Been playing around with injecting emissive materials into the RT Global Illumination lighting environment. Big drawbacks are: Denoiser is not working with the injected irradiance Environment has to have at least SOME lighting (HDR map, point light etc) Digging more, but man it is glorious...
Have you seen the video? Alex clearly shows why lower res with RT is much better than higher res without RT. Whats the point of a cleaner image if the content looks worse and has less effects. I'm glad that thanks to the mid gen consoles and DLSS people are way more accepting of reconstructions techniques and stopped ridiculing "fauxK". I take reconstruction plus RT over native 4K all day.
DLSS 2x is basically supersampling via reconstruction.
Yes, specular is hard to bake since it's view dependent. That's also why the first batch of RTX games focus on reflection first since replacing baked lighting with RT won't have many impacts on overall visuals. Though for specular on rough surface pre-calculation based solution might still looks better than real time method. The Order 1886 is a nice example.
Control doesn't really use DLSS (despite what the name says), it's using an image based reconstruction filter, probably similar to temporal injection and such. Thus whatever you can "force" in it won't be DLSS either, 2x or not.
Sure, it will try to reconstruct supersampling AA on top of native resolution rendering. The results should be pretty good and devoid of any typical TAA issues (ghosting, blurring, etc). But since we didn't even see it in demos yet it's hard to say what the actual results will be.
It should look a bit like supersampling so probably. Performance cost however is hard to pinpoint at the moment. I won't be surprised for example if 2x will only work on Ampere due to performance constraints.
Exclusive games will the the ones that push RT the hardest. Also, it won't be an either/or thing. You'll get good performance and RT features. A best, you'll get a performance toggle that turns them down
Yea it probably will be. Epic will probably bring it up during their GDC talk. They said they'll be talking about a lot of brand new features for the engine
That's my current expectation, yes.
It may. But again, it's hard to say anything for sure about it's quality and performance right now because the only place we even saw DLSS 2x in action right now was this static screenshot:
I think DLSS is more interesting for low end hardware honestly, if it could help a gpu punch above its weight (switch 2 maybe? Or my next laptop).That's my current expectation, yes.
It may. But again, it's hard to say anything for sure about it's quality and performance right now because the only place we even saw DLSS 2x in action right now was this static screenshot:
Excellent pics.Just posting this in this thread again since this seems to be the latest "RT hangout". The new Metro Exodus DLC is honestly almost an RT GI showcase. One big map with constantly changing lighting conditions that really pushes a rasterized approach to lighting to its limits.
The parts that you're supposed to use a flashlight in really benefit from it. You almost never need it anymore because of the indirect light.
One of the things I like the most is proper dynamic lighting on stuff half in the shade like this dude here whose backside gets accurately darkened.
Here you could see the light from the outside pouring in while in the non-raytraced version everything was just kind of evenly lit.
Still amazed about the quality of this implementation and how well it runs considering what it is doing.
Amazing results. Can you share some actual first person gameplay comparisons as well? ThanksJust posting this in this thread again since this seems to be the latest "RT hangout". The new Metro Exodus DLC is honestly almost an RT GI showcase. One big map with constantly changing lighting conditions that really pushes a rasterized approach to lighting to its limits.
The parts that you're supposed to use a flashlight in really benefit from it. You almost never need it anymore because of the indirect light.
One of the things I like the most is proper dynamic lighting on stuff half in the shade like this dude here whose backside gets accurately darkened.
Here you could see the light from the outside pouring in while in the non-raytraced version everything was just kind of evenly lit.
Still amazed about the quality of this implementation and how well it runs considering what it is doing.
Most of these are just from photo mode with the weapon hidden, so it's identical to how the gameplay looks.
