It really couldn't be more obvious could it lol
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
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It really couldn't be more obvious could it lol
oh yeah of course it is ! 9,2 RDNA is something like RX 5700 performance, not bad, but well we want more, a little !
What would you expect xb1 fans to say? If they want to say that thats fine. I certainly didnt care at the time. People buy consoles for all sorts of reasons. All i knew was that i was done giving ms chances at the time of the reveal in regards to lack of focus on things i liked and other things. None of them to do with power
Uhhhh you remember there is more to machine than gpu right...its still super advanced featureset wise at 399
If PS5 is 499 or more and Lockhart can get a competitive price, I bet Lockhart will be the best selling console of the generation.
I know. I chose the base ps4 over the base xb1 because it was stronger and games looked/performed better on it. I'll make a choice for the same reasons next year.
I just found it amusing that we see the same talking points every 7 years. In reality, any power difference matters and the graphical differences resulting from a power difference will be noticeable. Launch game Digital Foundry threads will be massive on this site.
That still doesn't get around why there was a need to add context to the natural appeal of a brand new $399 PlayStation console. We know the hardware is going to be advanced, so why would he need to clarify that in the slightest? There is none, and I don't take Cerny as the kind of person to say something without cause. I'm not even reading into the quote that much, it just seems obvious.
Yea lol, this thread is something else. Some people really don't know how to be subtle.
In the same way pro vs x comparisons were popular sure. But i never really cared about it so much as going with what i thought was an ecosystem that prioritized what i like best.
Power discussion will fuel company wars forever but it doesnt stop being annoying.
Yeah, I'm not criticizing anyone for choosing one system over the other.
I just saw a post itt talking about how they don't care about the power difference because they don't play games with a magnifying glass. I thought that post was funny, and it reminded me of things people were saying back in early 2013.
I mean they will be because unlike the "olden days" where consoles had vastly different architecture, nowadays they are the same box for the most part. There is no surprise on what a dev can do on one platform vs the other.
XB1X games perform better than a Pro because every aspect of the hardware is stronger, no Blast Cell Processing tricks to be used to overcome that
Yeah, it turns out fake 4K can actually look pretty great.
The 4K Bluray thing was always interesting as a console war argument. Sony clearly has data that indicated the 4K disc market is tiny and not going to affect sales. I honestly don't know why they would even bother with it on the PS5. Discs are only going to become more and more irrelevant in the coming years.
With this latest leak, $399 is starting to seem a lot more believable. Having 36 CUs on their chip makes it a lot easier to manufacturer.
And that is why Lockheart will exist. It will probably be significantly cheaper then Ps5.
MS will has a great strategy going into next gen. They have a smart team.
This is basically all of us who buy this stuff. I prefer Xbox and yet i have to to get PlayStation too. Where else can i play God of War? Liking visuals doesn't negate that point.
I'll be surprised if either console is launched at the PS4's launch price,
I don't think this difference in GPU is big enough to make the experience feel vastly different, but MS could have an interesting strategy, with the Series X costing a lot more than the PS5 but the "Series S" costing a lot less.
I don't think this difference in GPU is big enough to make the experience feel vastly different, but MS could have an interesting strategy, with the Series X costing a lot more than the PS5 but the "Series S" costing a lot less.
In theory, yes, but in practice? It only happens some of the time. As an owner of the X and the Pro I've seen plenty of instances just this year where games were exactly the same on both, or extremely similar.
Just this fall we had Modern Warfare, and it ran at a slightly higher resolution on the X, but that came with frame rate drops and screen tearing not present on the Pro. Also, Jedi: Fallen Order had a slightly higher resolution on the X. Just a month before that GRID showed up and had a higher resolution on the X, but again at the cost of frame rate/screen tearing. Also this year we had Crash Team Racing and Ace Combat 7, both of which were literally identical on the two platforms. There are lots of examples like this where that extra 2 tflops on the X didn't really amount to much.
This is why I said on the first page of this thread that no one should be expecting to see a PS4 vs XB1 launch situation in terms of graphical differences. There will be some, but I don't think they will be as stark as you saw at the beginning of this gen.
Guys
I'm embarrassed to admit this but what is lockheart ? From what I gather there are 2 "next gen" systems from MS next fall. How can it be next gen and an improvement from current gen if it's less powerful than the x ? And marginally improved from the S ? I'm trying to understand the point if everything going forward is back/forward compatible?
I'm embarrassed to admit this but what is lockheart ? From what I gather there are 2 "next gen" systems from MS next fall. How can it be next gen and an improvement from current gen if it's less powerful than the x ? And marginally improved from the S ? I'm trying to understand the point if everything going forward is back/forward compatible?
Because taking away options like that isnt wise, especially with BC in mind and people with tons of PS4 discs
like Xbox One / Xbox One X, but at launch. CPU and SSD are what really matter.
I think you're misunderstanding. I'm talking about licensing a 4K Bluray movie function for the console. Like Sony chose not to do for the PS4 Pro.
The PS5 will most definitely play PS4 discs.
Couple of things about that.
1, IMO the quote is a PR constructed line to give Peter and says a lot of nothing.
2, It didn't even make the original article.
3, Peter Rubin Tweeted it after a lot of people were speculating a high price.
For what its worth the full exchange between Peter Rubin and Mark Cerny:
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It's hard to take DF seriously with all these series X is a beast videos when EG have been championing Xbox since the 360 days.
Why was jason from kotaku so sure that ps5 was over 10 TF then
? It really doesn't tell us anything never mind a specific price.....
So I can turn a PC on, access my game library and select what I wish to play without the need for a keyboard and mouse?
If you can do that now it's changed a lot since I last tried.
Cerny kinda dodges the question, IMO that raises eyebrows more than anything.
It doesn't, at all.
There is no way he would talk about price that early.
All this talk about PS5 vs XsX. What I'm really interested is the 2023 spec war between PS5 Pro and the ...wait for it.... Xbox Series 2X. Power flipped mid gen this time around. Who's not to say it can't happen again no matter who has the initial lead.
If the leak is legit and nothing much changes with the final silicon, it seems pretty likely we''re getting XSX: 56CU @ 1.7 GHz and PS5: 36CU @ 2 GHz.
How hard would it have been for Sony to have switched to a 44 or 48 CU GPU @ 1.8 or 1.9 GHz, assuming the Oberon design we saw was from a long time ago?
How hard would it have been for Sony to have switched to a 44 or 48 CU GPU @ 1.8 or 1.9 GHz, assuming the Oberon design we saw was from a long time ago?
Well isn't that interesting. I would have bet big money on $399.
Sorry but 4TF vs 12TF is absolutely massive. I can't agree with you there. Time will tell if this is in fact the reality, we will see how the games turn out, obviously everything at this point is conjecture but logic tells me developers will target lowest common denominator. Especially if Ray Tracing is standard on XSX. Don't know how they will get around that outside of using two different lighting models, which just adds to development time.
IMO the first answer was pre-prepared by PR present for Cerny to give when the question came. The second answer was Cerny himself off the cuff.
Third Party Devs almost always target lowest common denominator. It'll be the first party devs that will make the systems outshine each other.
