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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
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That shouldn't be a problem if you take the time to watch and listen to what is being said in this video ! :D
Yes it did, I remember clearly because i'd saved up for PS3 but it got delayed a year because of issues with teh diode used for blu ray.
Ah yeah, you are right. Cheers for clearing that up. God its been a long time. The PS3 was delayed wasn't it? It was supposedly the Blu ray...?
And? The chip under discussion is Navi 10 (if you read the github info) which lacks RT. Chip names change when if the memory bus is changed (see Navi 12).
This is likely a 5700 clocked out the ass for early testing purposes.
Yes, there are definitely people like us on enthusiast forums that care a lot about the specs of gaming hardware, but even here you see polls where people will tell you that ultimately the games are what draw people to buy a console. The PS5 will still be the most popular console worldwide, and on this forum even if it ends up being a 9tf console vs the 12tf on the Series X.
The files are gone. What Digital Foundry sourced was what was in the files. Like they didn't just read a summary people are talking about, they got their hands on the files after the fact. They DIDN'T say that other sources say the PS5 has 36CUs.
There are 3 reasons to question the implications of the leaked documents:
1. They are full of mistakes and inaccuracies
- There are files in wrong folders, there are sub folders and wrong folders. Again, when people say these are legitimate, they mean that this is what is legitimately in the files, not that the files are correct or accurate all the time.
- The biggest issue is that they claim Spakrman (Lockhart) is 56CUs. Every reason you have to believe Oberon is PS5, you have to believe that Sparkman is Lockhart. Sparkman BC mode indicates it can replicate a One S.
2. The leaks if taken at face value, fly in the face of every credible insider we have, including develeper sources and industry sources, that say the Series X and PS5 are very close in power.
- We've had Jason Schreier News Editor of Kotaku, Matt Reiner Executive Editor at Game Informer, Our own Mods, and Vetted industry insider and veteran Klee, and other insiders all say the consoles are close in power.
- They specifically claim PS5 and Scarlett were close in power according to those sources. And All of that is in the same time window these leaks are from, which according to DF is the point where it's too late to make changes. None of them have come out and said the the tables have turned.
3. The documents, if taken at face value, don't pass the sniff test, and an alternative makes more sense
- The test were done without VRR and RT, when we know that at the very least PS5 has RT. This means that the tests we have access to are not the full PS5 in at least one way.
- 36CUs at 2GHz, is not a reasonable way to hit 9.2TFs, if that's the target. Every bit of historical and contextual data we have for consoles points to a wide and slow approach to console APUs. Efficiencies, Thermals, Cooling Costs, and reliability have all proven to be reasons that trump a lower sized and faster APU. Why would Sony feel any different? What technology would change the equation? I'm not aware of any, so I don't expect that approach to change.
- 36CUs would also make this the smallest APU Sony has made in a decade. In a world where Sony is dominating in terms of sales and profitability, where they've come out and aid that PS5 is going to be Niche product aimed at the hardcore who what the best and latest, where that is cooperated by their rumoured bleeding edge SSD tech, a small APU doesn't make sense.
- Digital Foundry Stated in the article that many BC test are being done. If that's true, this could be a BC test right? Well, what would that look like. Presumably, they would want to test a Native PS4 mode, a PS4 Pro mode, and like the PS4 Pro had.... A PS4 Pro Boost mode. What would the Boost mode test look like?
- A PS4 Pro Boost mode compatibility test would look like this: Exactly the same CUs as the PS4 Pro, An unlocked "full" clock, no RT or VRS hardware activated. What we have in the leak? 36CUs (exactly the same as the PS4 Pro), 2Ghz, the rumoured full clock of the PS5, No RT and no VRS indicated.
He's a guy that you should listen to when he talks about consoles and video games. He's also a mod around here.
I agree aside from the vendor lock in aspect. I think a lot of people particularly on this site overestimate how much the average layperson cares about playing old games that A) have little replay value, B) will be ported natively you the new platforms if they matter enough and C) release every single year like clockwork and are replaced as such.
I'm not really following this leak battle of which console will be the most powerful when they launch in 2020, but I remember the talk being before that the PS5 was the more powerful of the two. Now it's the Series X? Wonder what it will be in a few weeks. ;)
its okay but yeah I'm curious to see what they cut to sell it for $399
Oh hey old man! I'm a Commodore man ;)
I'm just thinking that Sony won't sit for a full year getting ready to take the L, I think they'll do something clever as usual.
It depends on what you're looking for. There will definitely be people looking for a good balance between power and price, people willing to pay an extra for higher power and even people willing to buy a FullHD only console if it means having it for the cheap with the newest games. But I don't know which is going to end up as a good plan: sales and popularity/word of mouth will tell us. And yeah, obviously the next consoles won't be an hardware affair only. Services, games, subscriptions and so on.
Matt implied the github leak doesn't confirm anything.
That is all.
He didn't confirm anything, calm down.
The mental gymnastics here are hilarious!
I love these sorts of threads. It's going to be a long wait for the specs to be confirmed to see who will fall on the wrong side of the facts.
I love these sorts of threads. It's going to be a long wait for the specs to be confirmed to see who will fall on the wrong side of the facts.
I am actually ok with the leaked specs if these conditions are met:
- It's cheaper then the XSX
- Still has some Raytracing support
- implements the fast SSD tech
PS4 > XB1
And XB came much later after Sony had already had the more powerful console over DC.
12TF RDNA GPU, Zen2 CPU, 1TB SSD, GDDR6 RAM, BR Player at 399$?
Thats impossible, 499$ is the minimum and they would be taking a 50-100$ loss at that price.
Why's that? It sounds like it'll have a good CPU it'll just have a weaker GPU. It doesn't seem like the base consoles held back a super impressive and cutting-edge game like Red Dead Redemption 2. PC games have had to scale to weaker systems for a long time. Having a console that's a chunk weaker than the other 2 doesn't seem like it'll be much of a factor as long as it's not severely lacking in something like CPU.
Please forgive me for not spending a ton of time in the next-gen hardware thread.
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Jesus Christ the last DF videos. They haven't any leak about the full ps5 specs and all seems defined hearing Leadbetter. Now I understood why sony stop to share informations with him. That's not professional.
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They have a proven name and also proven IP and studios. That's really hard to beat not matter price or GPU power
I expected a 8TF GPU with 16 gigs of RAM and would have been fine with it. Look how far we've come from 2013 and look at what was being done with that hardware. God of War, Horizon, Last of Us 2, etc. Those expectations of 12+ TF GPUs and 24 gigs of RAM had me wondering what reality people live in. Like next gen consoles were supposed to be better than 90% of high-end gaming PCs all at a price of $500 or less. Put down the pipe.
So because it's not a rah rah Sony video, you're discrediting it?
Eh. That's what Microsoft thought with stuff like Halo after last gen. Proven IP only matters if enough people buy your console.
Sony has to win in either price OR power next gen or they're going to struggle to retain their lead - in the US, at least.
That's true. I just don't think they'll stop there. But it's just a feeling I have, can't back it up.
Anyway I can't wait to hear more about these consoles!
MS can take it if they decide to seriously invest in the gaming department. Sony not, not in every possible scenario.
Proven IP is about reviews score and awards and on that score SONY Kill Microsoft. I hate it myself but its a lot like the Film industry
It looks like Microsoft will have a serious power advantage now it just needs its In House studios to deliver the goods
I was more meaning the way you were querying Tom Warren and his potential sources, yeah he works for The Verge as the main Microsoft reporter but I'm sure he has contacts that go across the whole industry or would at least be in a position to get information from colleagues or other sources.
And as far as the next gen thread goes, congrats on not spending time in it, some of us are too far gone we cant get out, lol.
I think Microsoft may be able to win the UK and USA again but SONY will win overall. Whatever.. it be a much closer and better fight next-gen.
I too cant wait to see more from this new consoles
This is where I'm at. This shit changes with the wind and that next gen thread is a dumpster fire.
And people play them mostly on base ps4. Look at those same charts.
Posts like these are so full of it. You only need to watch how fast this thread moves to get an idea of how important power is when it comes to consoles. No one is saying power is marquee', but its definitely a bullet point you want to be able to check off when it comes to consoles like the Ps5 or the Series X. Even the Nintendo schtick people seem to keep using doesnt really apply as Nintendo has never been about power anyway. When it comes to Sony and Microsoft, power is definitely an important factor. Definitely!
If it were really all about the games, we wouldnt be getting new hardware from either Sony or Microsoft,. You cant discount the plethora of developers under the Xbox umbrella now either, nor Stadia (regardless of how its stumbling out of the gate...) next gen wont be a repeat of this one. I guarantee it. Gonna be wild AF
Outdated info. We have reason to believe that PS5 could be ~13TF.
This extremely amusing. I mean, Lockhart won't hold anything back because scaling and games will still look amazing but suddenly ps5 9 or so TF will be weak. Warriors are something to behold.
If DF made a vid/article every month when specs were revealed, there would be a lot of spec predictions. lol.
Maybe they posted this one because they believe it
Maybe they posted this one because they believe it