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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
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Because it looks like a cross between a PC tower and a BT speaker? I'm thinking it must be function over form, so I do think it designed around the size of the thing. It is bulky.
Of course. Cars do it nonstop. Look at these awesome features in this commercial! Starting at $12 with plastic wheels, as shown $80,000!
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3 TF's won't make Microsoft exclusives any better.
The main point is that power must be put together with great games. If they can manage to get some top tier AAA exclusives then Microsoft could be a clear winner in next gen but if they keep releasing exclusives like Crackdown 3.. ReCore.. Gears 5.. etc they will never surpass Sony even with 3 extra TF's of power.
Before this year, I would have guessed Sony would've gone for a ~10tf device to undercut Microsoft. However, I have a very hard time believing this as it would mean:
That every other credible insider is wrong and not just slightly misinformed: wrong on a big scale
That Mark Cerny lost his mind and decided to make an obtuse GPU, which would also fly considerably in the face of what Yoshida has been saying
That Mark Cerny flat out lied when he said PS5 would have RT.
That Sony decided to go with a chip that will be well outdated by end 2020.
That Sony learned NOTHING from the PS4 Pro Vs the XB1X.
I'm not saying MS won't have the power crown, in fact I still think this will be the case. But I think there is a less than 1% chance this is even close to being the final chip
That every other credible insider is wrong and not just slightly misinformed: wrong on a big scale
That Mark Cerny lost his mind and decided to make an obtuse GPU, which would also fly considerably in the face of what Yoshida has been saying
That Mark Cerny flat out lied when he said PS5 would have RT.
That Sony decided to go with a chip that will be well outdated by end 2020.
That Sony learned NOTHING from the PS4 Pro Vs the XB1X.
I'm not saying MS won't have the power crown, in fact I still think this will be the case. But I think there is a less than 1% chance this is even close to being the final chip
I wonder if they really skin it close and make a SKU that doesn't include a controller since the XBO controllers work. Make it available through their site directly only or something, where the diehards will hear about it but grandmas at retail won't be confused. And yes, this is pretty tales from my ass but Nintendo did release a portable system that didn't include a charging cable.
Speaking strictly about the size of the thing. It takes up like more than twice as much space as an Xbox One X, don't it.
Backward compatibility is a feature that needs developing? It doesn't just poof in to existence working perfectly! Dev kits - especially early prototypes - are as much for Sony as they are Ubisoft.
At the end of the day, I can't wait to see what madness Naughty Dog do with even more powerful hardware.
Brand loyalty is strong in this thread
if you want to see how to defend a console this the thread to read
I don't see the point tho,
i see things two ways either you care about your 4K tv and want the best experience
or you don't mind graphics and all those times this fans on this website down talk The switch now makes the switch do not seem as bad
i just like my cousin was disappointed when ps4 pro did not play games in 4K and did not come with 4K bluray player, I will not make same mistake twice I will get my full 4K experience and I hope Microsoft have Dolby vision
if you want to see how to defend a console this the thread to read
I don't see the point tho,
i see things two ways either you care about your 4K tv and want the best experience
or you don't mind graphics and all those times this fans on this website down talk The switch now makes the switch do not seem as bad
i just like my cousin was disappointed when ps4 pro did not play games in 4K and did not come with 4K bluray player, I will not make same mistake twice I will get my full 4K experience and I hope Microsoft have Dolby vision
Lol, what should be the lessons from the X1X? The console is still dead last in sales, was a year late and 100$ more expensive.
It's a great box, but this pervasive narrative that it turned the tables somehow keeps popping up.
Like every console generation, I'll get the system that has the games I want an the friends I play with, which will likely end up being the PS5. Power is never a relevant part of the equation for my purchasing decisions. I enjoy a lot of Sony 1st party offerings, so that's where I'll certainly be.
sony all about profit now look at ps4 and ps4 pro as an example
instead of focusing on power be just like switch owners and focus on games and not power
Is not a really good game for me at least.. After Gears 1 and 2 the franchise is not in a good spot if you ask me.
Good exclusives are Ori and Forza but they need more to be dominant in next gen.
I think what Sony might have learned from the mid-gen refresh debacle is that the PS4 Slim vastly outsells the Pro.
Wait...Gears 5 is a very good game that was critically well received.
You can always wait 3 years for the inevitable PS5 Pro lol
(I wonder if people realizes that $500 is too much for the general console user base)
despite where the console ended up it was a well built system they didn't short change us like ps4 pro
To those downplaying the difference 2.8TF can make, how many TF are needed to correct something like dynamic resolution vs locked 4K, for example? Or screen tearing and frame pacing issues on the weaker device vs the stronger one? Or displaying something in 8K as Sony said PS5 will support? VRR? Filtering and AA? These are the differences I think some are really asking about rather than there being a version that looks like real life and the other version looking like potato quality.
We saw plenty of third party games show those kinds of issues throughout this gen on the lower-specced consoles compared to the stronger ones, so why all of the sudden does no one think that's going to happen again? We're not talking about 1st party obviously, we're talking about multiplatform titles, but gen after gen has already proven since the PS2 days that yes, developers will make use of small power differences to make multiplatform games look or perform better.
This is my only concern about a *THEORETICAL* 2.8TF gap, if there even is such a thing, considering I personally don't buy the "leak" being current/final PS5 specs at all, nor do I believe that 12TF for XSX is in RDNA2 numbers. Until we get confirmation of both I refuse to consider anything settled, but if we're speculating about potential power differences we need to actually be specific about what can or can't be done with an "extra" 2.8TF that developers supposedly don't have anything to spend it on.
We saw plenty of third party games show those kinds of issues throughout this gen on the lower-specced consoles compared to the stronger ones, so why all of the sudden does no one think that's going to happen again? We're not talking about 1st party obviously, we're talking about multiplatform titles, but gen after gen has already proven since the PS2 days that yes, developers will make use of small power differences to make multiplatform games look or perform better.
This is my only concern about a *THEORETICAL* 2.8TF gap, if there even is such a thing, considering I personally don't buy the "leak" being current/final PS5 specs at all, nor do I believe that 12TF for XSX is in RDNA2 numbers. Until we get confirmation of both I refuse to consider anything settled, but if we're speculating about potential power differences we need to actually be specific about what can or can't be done with an "extra" 2.8TF that developers supposedly don't have anything to spend it on.
Didn't Xbox already release an update that introduced Dolby Vision for Video playback and streaming for the Xbox One X?
Well I'm buying it day one no matter what. I just personally hope they don't go that route.
this is resetera, though, its even more niche than the olf gaf and not representative of regular console gamer, like at all.
And as you can see in this very thread, outdated things like console wars, bragging rights and other immature stuff are...well, very present in this old school console gamer kinda vibe forum. Unfortunate but true
Gears 5 was very good, and recore was an interesting idea, im sad it didnt turn out better
If Sony's is weaker, it certainly isn't going to be more expensive. MS will probably take a hit to make theirs appealing enough, but they wouldn't take that much of a hit.
Yes but not for him, wherever he played it. But I think it's not Microsoft's goal to get him over to Xbox.
In no way does it surprise me (if this is true) that MS is going big... they are still hurting from this current gen and the idea that they had the weaker console and that was a big issues early on BUT .. they need to remember the other big reason why they lost out of the gate... price. If MS is serious about a much better start to the gen they not only need a more powerful machine to control that conversation but they also need to match the PS5 price. If they swallow hard and take the hit then we are in for a damn fun start to the next gen.
Either way... I will own both..excited as hell another generation is nearly upon us!
Either way... I will own both..excited as hell another generation is nearly upon us!
That's possible, hence I said why I earlier thought the PS5 would be not as powerful and instead go for an efficient design to undercut MS. But this chip is not that.
Short changed who? I fail to see it. The Xbox had a year extra worth of tech inside and still came in 100$ more expensive. Sony took an entirely different route and decided to keep it priced at 399 and launch earlier.
If you felt shortchanged, you didn't do your math right.
we all say this once we find out the power is weaker
in psychology we call this cognitive dissonance
we say anything to make our purchase or future purchase seem good in our eyes
I get it but I really would prefer Sony make something powerful so I can stay with Sony for ps5
ok, that seems like a you problem. your original post just read like console warring. in a thread about specs and power coming out to say MS will never have sony exclusives doesn't really contribute much. you assume everyone values sony's exclusive offerings as much as you do. a, most people buy their consoles for the 3rd party games (cod, fifa, gta, whatever) and b, MS is clearly positioning themselves to offer a lot of exclusive content too.
The leaks seem REALLY credible for ps5 imo - the part about hardware bc being and exact copy of the ps4pro-method makes this seem extra plausible
So bc for ps4 is probably not getting more resoures and wont improve old games without devs releasing a "ps5-patch" :(
This is lightyears behind xbox bc that offers automatic improvement for old software in various ways (you know like windows has done since 1995)
So bc for ps4 is probably not getting more resoures and wont improve old games without devs releasing a "ps5-patch" :(
This is lightyears behind xbox bc that offers automatic improvement for old software in various ways (you know like windows has done since 1995)
Yeah, it is pretty massive. In some ways I think the design is bold though. Looks like something even I could throw together in five minutes in Sketch Up.
Maybe I had really high hopes for Gears 5 and that's why I ended up dissapointed.
I feel like the Gears formula need a revamp. Since Gears 2 I haven't felt the same way about the franchise.
there was nothing pro about the pro
if I wasn't so invested in my ps4 I would of invested in xbox one x with a new generation I can start fresh now
If it *were* true, 9.2TF is still a major jump since that's only in the Navi architecture, but it equates to much more when comparing it to GCN, so I don't know why some power people are complaining in here about 9.2TF Navi. It's old information as others have stated, and at the end of the day the only things that matter are the games. Even if it's 9.2TF, that doesn't account for the massive jumps elsewhere that also determine the game quality, but everyone is so focused on a TF number to see that.
They are commenting on rumors folks. It's possible that this is true but it may not be. Let enjoy the ride with the understanding that even if this is true that both these machines are powerful without being plagued by bottlenecks like last gen.
I think they were wise in the video to repeatedly highlight how even if these numbers are accurate, it's still likely missing some important context to how Sony approached the PS5. Especially when questions like RT solutions are still hanging in the air, I don't see any reason to worry, re: implications of the leak.
Engineering shortcomings aside, I still struggle to understand why Sony so aggressively cheaped out on even things like a UHD BR drive in the Pro. I'm glad I have my Pro for PSVR, but otherwise, it's felt like a pretty oddball refresh system. Not bad, but not particularly good.
Engineering shortcomings aside, I still struggle to understand why Sony so aggressively cheaped out on even things like a UHD BR drive in the Pro. I'm glad I have my Pro for PSVR, but otherwise, it's felt like a pretty oddball refresh system. Not bad, but not particularly good.
Considering the other thread where someone asked if reset members would buy a PS5 over SEX if Sony was less powerful and more expensive MS support was abysmal.
For now this forum is heavily entrenched in supporting either Nintendo or Sony.
But looking at the wider gaming market I don't see SEX selling better than their competitors because the most powerful console simply has never won the sales adoption battle. Price matters too much. But MS is supposed to have a new console that will be cheaper than the PS5 as well as the SEX.
I think that device more than anything else will determine how well MS does and I think it will strongly influence the sales of the Switch if that device becomes popular enough that MS is selling atleast dead even with Sony and Nintendo with both of their Xbox consoles combined.
For now this forum is heavily entrenched in supporting either Nintendo or Sony.
But looking at the wider gaming market I don't see SEX selling better than their competitors because the most powerful console simply has never won the sales adoption battle. Price matters too much. But MS is supposed to have a new console that will be cheaper than the PS5 as well as the SEX.
I think that device more than anything else will determine how well MS does and I think it will strongly influence the sales of the Switch if that device becomes popular enough that MS is selling atleast dead even with Sony and Nintendo with both of their Xbox consoles combined.