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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
- Thread starter chandoog
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Well, you clearly made out your mind. I hope you are right and you get your 12TF PS5.
Looks like they're targeting 300 / 400 / 500 for low end Xbox -> run-of-the-mill PlayStation -> premium Xbox.
I dunno how it will work out, but it kind of makes sense in a a vacuum 🤷♀️
That's the best part. The trolling has to be very subtle to be most devastating.
I'm pretty sure most everyone on this forum wants to play good games first and foremost. Stop trying to stir up console wars out of thin air.
Then what's with the modes that give it exact ps4 pro and PS4 specs for backwards compatibility?
You do realize they "independently sourced" this leak, right? That and making the video itself obviously takes some time.
And I'm sorry if I trust Digital Foundry a little more than random Era posters.
No, they weren't. Most of the games are pretty much the same all around except for some very rare exceptions. Most developers don't really use the full potential of the pro/x and there are parity among mostly of the games.
Only the PC versions of games usually have some real differences.
People need to understand what a GPU does and what a CPU does. Percentage wise, 9.2 to 12 isn't that far removed from the PS4 Pro's 4.2 compared against the X's 6, infact it's less.
All that amounts to really, is different target resolutions for games. A 1440p target on PS4 Pro amounts to a 4K target on X, as a rule of thumb (and some PS4 Pro and X games target less obviously). Other than that, the games tend to look extremely close, and play even closer.
Unless there are major CPU differences I'd expect the games to run very similarly. Other things could be different amounts of ray tracing capability, which could make for some major visual differences.
I wouldn't expect the two consoles to be any more different than PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, in other words, and as far as price to performance goes, I'm sure they'll be extremely capable.
Cerny's genius is designing a really balanced system without bottle necks, so all the hardware can be fully utilized without too much difficulty, designed around a price point. I'd presume that price point will again be $400. I'd presume MS are going to target $500 for the Series X, while they may have a cheaper model than the PS5 up their sleeve.
TLDR, so long as CPU capabilities are about equal, we shouldn't expect one system to run much better than the other, just differences in graphical fidelity. That goes for the rumored 4 TF Xbox. If the CPU is about the same, at 1080p, it should be able to run the same games without much trouble, if those games are targeting 4K and higher on the other systems. They'll be able to ship it with less ram too, as the framebuffers will be notably smaller and they can get away with reduced texture sizes, etc.
This seems like a very logical outcome.
Let's not fool ourselves denying the existence of users which are clearly Sony fans over anything else.
haven't you seen the next-gen thread? People dream about tf's at this point lol.
I'm ok with with these numbers. It's fairly obvious with two SKU's MS would want one of them to be most powerful on the market.
It's not only that. The chip design makes no God damn sense for a retail device and the leak says it doesn't have Ray tracing which we now it should. There are a lot of inconsistencies with the data and what we confirmed know.
There were people arguing that the PS4's extra power wouldn't be utilized over the XB1? I don't recall seeing that argument made at the time, at least not from anyone I would take seriously.
Of course they were. It's why DF and other comparison sites exist.
Yes, it happened a lot.
Right? It's honestly hilarious to watch unfold in real time hahahah
Exactly. Like we have been saying for days now. And then Matt confirmed.
There is starting to be A LOT of smoke for there to be no fire.....
I guess I dreamed all of those games running in lower resolutions and at lower frame rates on the Xbox one.
Didnt watch or read but my opinion is that there is absolutely no way in hell microsoft will be left underpowered this gen.
It goes against many peoples views here I'm sure but sony got lucky last year out of the gate.
Xbox ruined their show with marketing, power and price. These will be rectified next gen and and we can already see that transition now.
It goes against many peoples views here I'm sure but sony got lucky last year out of the gate.
Xbox ruined their show with marketing, power and price. These will be rectified next gen and and we can already see that transition now.
im afraid to go into some threads, honestly . For the sake of my mental health
I can see them focusing heavily on the SSD and IMO that's smart, it's the real game changer of the next gen consoles. The games will look no matter what.
You're not paying attention. Sony's studio's are on a higher level than they ever where. Sony's exclusive portfolio currently is absolute world class and the PS4 has become one of the best selling consoles ever made. The fact that PS5 will play all PS4 software, gives them a HUGE advantage. They're coming with a new Horizon Zero Dawn game, they have the Spider-Man rights, they're pushing VR, they have Santa Monica and Naughty Dog. Bend will make a better Days Gone sequel. Only way to fuck up is to be way more expensive and weaker and even then they will probably outsell Xbox.
Yep, I don't understand the downright denial either. Of course it's not going to be final hardware. Nothing will be final at this point. Anything could be tweaked until mass production starts, doesn't mean this isn't close to final. I'm sure there's some truth to all of this.
Yes, and some were treating eDRAM on One as some kind of secret sauce. I don't have actual bookmarks for that, but is something we definetly saw in the old forums.
The info wasn't really even leak to begin with. Old testing data posted on GitHub was datamined.
PS5 chip has RT in GPU, this old chip doesn't. It's not 2020 PS5 and we had Matt say that it's not confirmation of 2020 PS5. Y'all should chill.
No one's doubting the validity of the leak. It's legit. It's just old and doesn't apply to the PS5 as it currently is.
User warned: System warring, inflammatory drive-by posting.
I mean you also have people speculating that the PS5 has a second gpu with the ray tracing on it.
People say crazy things sometimes.
If anyone needs a confirmation whether specs or games are more important: see how fast this thread moves on and the next gen thread, too.
Are you serious?
Numerous people were doubting the validity of the leak for days.
Which is why Richard says aside from clock speed the oNly way to alter a custom chip less than 2 years from launch us a delay that would cost sony millions....
It still exists? I assumed the revision was the pro you alluded to,
I mean based on these specs, MS would have a power advantage and a price disadvantage and a power disadvantage and a price advantage...It is not clear cut. If say the price was lockhart 299, PS5 399 and XSX 499 I would argue the the best value would be PS5 and XSX. 12tf at 499 is good value, but comparing say 4tf vs 9tf for 100 extra? PS5 would be much better value.
Still, I don't think there is enough to go on yet. There are issues with the 36cu 2ghz that don't really make sense, couple with the idea that Sony may have aimed for a 2019 launch which doesn't make sense in any scenario. They have a much more robust upcoming line up than MS, the PS4 is selling better, and they have no incentive to pre-empt MS.
And yet people are straight up denying it, DF didn't just take it as fact they went and asked their sources about it and got it confirmed. I don't think they publish this without having some faith in it or do we believe they do it just for clicks....
How many PS4 Pro ducktapped together is that? That's like 3? Man, that sick! Sony's stays winning.
Digital Foundry notes that changing the processor is almost impossible by this point because it is a multi-year project. He did say they can increase clock speeds or accompanying memory, but based off the timeline Sony already decided to push the clock speeds higher by the time these leaked.
Before mentioning any names, remember that PS5 has RT in it's GPU, this Oberon chip doesn't.
Probably a 5700 clocked out the ass for old devkits.
This is a lie, people were saying it won't be reflective of PS5's specs which Mat already said too.
Not really people have been doubting the interpretation of it. Like why the fuck is there Oberon stuff in the Arden file. No one has thought it was fake beyond a drive by post
I really can't tell if people deny this out of fanboyism or what. I mean, I want powerful consoles and that's what we will be getting. No matter what the number are the leap will be noticeable. But here we are still focused on gfx like kids arguing SEGA vs Nintendo in the school yard. Every other positive upgrade to these consoles (god bless that CPU leap) is being ignored for the sake of arguing bigger numbers.
If the leaks turn out to be wrong or outdated and we get even stronger boxes then that's a plus too. But these threads suck ass. Not sure what I expected coming in here.
If the leaks turn out to be wrong or outdated and we get even stronger boxes then that's a plus too. But these threads suck ass. Not sure what I expected coming in here.