They are exceeded so expect better looking results than this demo.
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5 / Unreal Engine 5 Reaction - Now This Is Next-Gen!
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I liked the DF video that showed the little bits of tech in use.
As for the demo...the demo looked nice, but it was just as non-interactive environmentally as games now with higher quality static meshes (and lighting and so on)... whoop-te-do.
As for the demo...the demo looked nice, but it was just as non-interactive environmentally as games now with higher quality static meshes (and lighting and so on)... whoop-te-do.
You are falling into Tim Sweeney marketing hook line and sinker
This is valid both ways, really don't understand why both sides are moving this type of discussions. 100% sure that both will offer similar games and experiences regardless of both strengths and weeknesses.
The person I quoted didn't mention anything about real time gameplay. Any other qualifiers you'd like to add?
It's visualized geometry, this is similar to what RAGE did with textures (they even mention virtualized textures in the video as well). I imagine some sort of triangle soup streamed from disks, and nice Octree structure that is traversed to get the geometry pages for the higher detail assets. Carmack talked about this about 15 years ago as the next breakthrough! SSD and storage space are the killer features here, everything is paged from disk.
So CP 2077 will be shit because XB1 is a shit baseline, noted.
And they admitted the engine they used for the vertical slice was incapable of handle open world design, console or not.
True. Whatever about how much of it is ultimately needed, for what result, the bandwidth on the storage has probably been helpful too for development and potentially dealing with less optimal in-development code.
On this I remain skeptical, not because XSX can't but because MS seems to have other targets in mind than 1440p/30fps.
CDPR have had much much more time to work on CP 2077 compared to TW3.
Btw, remember that Agni's Philosophy's character? She was 15 million polygons and I thought no way we could even get such polycount. Now it's 33 million polygons for one statue and there are 500-600 of them at once so around 16 billion polygons XD.
Speaking of which, I don't think MS has shared info on BC Pack compression outside it's first party studios so building a demo where SSD is leveraged so much on XSX would be far from ideal.
This is not true. With the ACV stuff, they just said it's up to the dev and that they don't force 4k or 60fps just a couple days ago.
Depends on the game. Pretty sure the engine itself would even run on mobile, but probably not every game made with it.
HI so it was supposed to be a playable demo at GDC, do you have any idea if it was going to be on PS5 hardware there too?
UE4 Elemental Demo for Playstation 4 | Unreal Engine
At the PlayStation Meeting 2013, Epic Games showed its new Unreal Engine 4 "Elemental" demo, the first public real-time demonstration for PlayStation 4!Want ...www.youtube.com
Don't forget, this was the equivalent last gen (only it wasn't controllable unlike this new demo)
UE5 is coming 2021, it's not like XSX or PS5 games will look like this due to UE5. The launch titles graphics craze is up to UE4, proprietary engines and others.
This isn't a proprietary first party engine, it's an engine that is and will be widely used by development teams all over the world. Epic isn't going to show off a real-time showcase of their engine and all of the new graphical tech that's only possible on one unreleased platform.
If everything in this demo required a 5+ GB/s read speed to run, then it wouldn't be possible on Xbox, and would only be possible on an extreme minority of gaming PCs.
So seeing an in engine cinematic is the same as a playable demo? That should be the only deciding qualifier, we PLAY these games after all. A playable demo running on a console always gives you a better idea of what to expect than an in engine cinematic. See Uncharted 4s initial 60fps trailer reveal and compare it to PSX demo- its literally not the same.
and also to throw a tin foil hat into the ring, weren't some of them 13teraflops.
This could be running on one of those and not the equivalent of retail hardware....
I think those are raw Z Brush model poly count. The engine would dynamically tessellate that into smaller poly count I'm sure. I highly doubt the engine renders 16B polys per frame...
Nah tech demos on new consoles are usually surpassed a few years into the generation. I expect the same this gen.
I don't understand this complaint. This is more-or-less indicative of gameplay you would expect to see from non-shooting sections of Uncharted or Tomb Raider.
I was think the same thing while watching the demo. Bloodborne has such amazingly dense geometry - even compared to Dark Souls 3 which released a year later.
Crazy how all of a sudden 30fps is ok so long as you get eye blistering graphics. This is exactly why 60fps will never be a standard.
it got downgraded because CDPR was strugling to implement e3 quality lighting to the whole zones with dynamic day and night cycle without breaking the game . It got downgraded because innitially they were estimating next gen consoles specs. It got downgraded because it was their first time working on 3 platforms at the same time . It got downgraded because developing games is hard and nothing is set in stone until game actually launches .
Yeah given PS5 / Series X are pretty much 2080 RTX and beyond your decent PC won't do much better right now unless it's significantly more powerful or has a 3xxx range GPU in future.
1440p 30 fps... No raytracing...
I mean their global illumination solution looks great, and it seems data streaming will be a key component ( I worry about game sizes tho) , but it seems like they will have to target 1080p and then scale to 4k if they are going to be using some raytracing.
I mean their global illumination solution looks great, and it seems data streaming will be a key component ( I worry about game sizes tho) , but it seems like they will have to target 1080p and then scale to 4k if they are going to be using some raytracing.
I think MS has to show something impressive in July not in a few years.
The demo actually uses Unreal Engine's Quixel Library (which contains thousands of real world assets scanned into the engine via photogrammetry, and ready to be used in any game), so this actually significantly reduces developer workload. Also, not having to optimize assets for games by reducing their detail and polycount also makes it easier for devs to make games. So all of us who care about the health of developers should be VERY excited about UE5.
PLZ don't get me near this tin foil... I have contact allergies...and also to throw a tin foil hat into the ring, weren't some of them 13teraflops.
This could be running on one of those and not the equivalent of retail hardware....
Its implied when you say that we got a glimse of next gen with the Halo Infinite trailer and the Hellblade trailer when both were in engine cinematics. Especially Hellblade which was running at 24fps.
Both consoles will surpass this tech demo, I just disagreed with your post saying MS showed next gen first. I dont count cinematics. I would feel the same if Sony showed a non playable in engine trailer.
if the witcher can run on the switch then this can run on the Xbox One. Also they said the engine is built to scale to down to lower consoles. I really don't see your point here.
I just stressed out that it actually run on the hardware. And this is an early version of an engine running on a early version of a dev kit.
So this is not comparable to Anthem, Watch_Dogs and The Witcher III, or any "in-engine" stuff.
Does third party will manage to have those visuals, I don't know. On Open World, probably not.
First party ? Defintively.
I'm sure we're still going to be getting raytraced reflections in a lot of games, but it's definitely awesome that studios are finding alternatives for GI and shadows that still look incredible. In fact the micro-level detail in the shadows in this demo is better than any RT implementation I've seen.
PS5 is a bit behind a 2080, a overclocked RX 5700 isn't beating a 2080, though the difference is not massive.
This is so exciting and surreal, I had this prediction a while ago and have been seeing it come to fruition is exciting and a bit scary (being in the industry).
This next generation will act as the bridge between film and games, the lines will start to blur and techniques will converge. People that work solely in film or solely in games will now be able to move between those lines more easily, allowing for new interesting ideas and experiences across both mediums.
After this generation I think we will be on to the generation where Film and Game are one in the same (in terms of creation). You go to school to learn "computer art" not film or game specialists.
And to have an even longer prediction I'd say: this next gen is the bridge generation, the nex next generation will be the film and games reach a parity generation and the next next next generation will be the everything generation. Similar to how Dreams works, game engines will be usable enough for everyone to create and the lines between professional and consumer will blur a bit. (We already get glimpses of that)
It's gonna be weird... i'm happy to embrace this future though.
This next generation will act as the bridge between film and games, the lines will start to blur and techniques will converge. People that work solely in film or solely in games will now be able to move between those lines more easily, allowing for new interesting ideas and experiences across both mediums.
After this generation I think we will be on to the generation where Film and Game are one in the same (in terms of creation). You go to school to learn "computer art" not film or game specialists.
And to have an even longer prediction I'd say: this next gen is the bridge generation, the nex next generation will be the film and games reach a parity generation and the next next next generation will be the everything generation. Similar to how Dreams works, game engines will be usable enough for everyone to create and the lines between professional and consumer will blur a bit. (We already get glimpses of that)
It's gonna be weird... i'm happy to embrace this future though.
What do you mean? Just do what everyone says to do with Lockhart: just lower the resolution, no other work necessary.